is that nikita in the right? all i can imagine is he saying SERIOUSLY GUYS?? NOWW?? IM BORED JFCFrom Japanese press, but not good quality picture, but it definitely looks like Morozov and Lena, it is from summer 2013.
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Elena Ilinykh & Nikita Katsalapov Split
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From Japanese press, but not good quality picture, but it definitely looks like Morozov and Lena, it is from summer 2013.
yuck, yuck ... eww dis*****
Im going to have nightmares now
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I didn't mean to be rude, but I think it's one thing that we discuss these things here and another to tell her what to do or not when you don't know her. Who knows why she blocked you. Maybe because she's with him or maybe not, and she was irritated. Anyway, no big deal.
I think that lip kissing is normally but more between girls? And it is a light kiss, quick touch, this one seems to be tight with nose squeezing
I have no idea, just a thought. Her reaction and body language since European, Olympics and now Worlds didn't seem to me like she was still having a story with him. She seemed more attached and closed to Nikita, but then again, appearances can be deceiving so who knows.
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It's not about keeping it private, as you see we are talking about it, but as I said, I don't think it's wise to tell her, directly, what to do with her life when you don't know her personally. It's common sense to me.
When you don't want something to be known to the pubblic that's very easy. You both agree to deny it in advance. It's not necessary to be together to tell a lie.
Anyway, It's obvious that something happened between them, and there are problems. Till we know something directly from them I guess there will be speculations.
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Oh gosh... these pictures just made my heart sink. ..
In the extremely tense environment that is Russian ice dancing it is so easy to see that Morozov took advantage of a vulnerable 17 year old. In his own words he would have done anything for that bronze medal. Yet all I hear is vitriol directed towards Lena. In some countries Morozov would be guilty of rape. Yet here we are discussing it so casually. What would possess a girl that young to be with someone like Morozov given his history? This should have been a red flag to many in her federation, that something was VERY, VERY wrong. Obviously she was exploited for her beauty and talent. I am not saying that she's faultless in all this, but this conversation just saddens me....I hope that if she splits up with Nikita that she really takes some time away from the sport for herself.
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age of consent in Russia is 16 years old and I dont think they have a professional like approach regarding coach-skater where having an affair with yoru student you could be charged, I understand in the US had Morozov done this, he can be charged of Rape and be put in prison ?
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Yes, in some states, he could be arrested. The age of consent varies state to state. But in every state, he would be at risk of losing his ability to attend competitions and tests as he could be sanctioned by USFSA or PSA,and he could be sued by the student and his/her parents.
Here's one case that resulted in a suit.
http://www.inquisitr.com/323345/figure-skating-coach-accused-of-sexual-abuse-in-5-million-lawsuit/
Typically, the coach loses his job, at the very least. Here's one.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/01/07/texas-coach-admits-to-affair-with-student-athlete-resigns/
Here's one case that resulted in a suit.
http://www.inquisitr.com/323345/figure-skating-coach-accused-of-sexual-abuse-in-5-million-lawsuit/
Typically, the coach loses his job, at the very least. Here's one.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/01/07/texas-coach-admits-to-affair-with-student-athlete-resigns/
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well I believe hes moving back to the New Jersey rink and will be based there again, his contract with the Rusian Fed expired
maybe in the US they can put him on the watch list from his previous records
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In New Jersey, age of consent is 16. For any action to be taken against a coach, someone would have to complain. Morozov has worked there before, and no one complained.
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Even if age of consent is 16, doesn't he have any shame? His daughter is almost her age, would he be pleased if his daughter at 16 will date a 35 year old?
Consent at 16 but not with 20 years older man, it should be a limitation also for the man's age.
They don't want gays but is is ok for such a relationship??
Consent at 16 but not with 20 years older man, it should be a limitation also for the man's age.
They don't want gays but is is ok for such a relationship??
I was talking in general, it was not straight to you, I think that it have a very good sense what did you say to ElenaNikitaFan.
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It's Morozombie, what do you expect?
I agree that those are personal things and I think that even public person should have their private life private - if they want to.
You said that Lena is vulnerable and young…but she is not silly – she knows perfectly what will happen if a girl with fans around her sites will send pictures where she hugs or kisses some man. Especially if a man is her coach who could be her father looking at his age. The girl knows it for sure and she didn’t mind it. But it was her choice to make a public thing from her love romances.
(It is the same like some Hollywood couples, they are all the time complaining that jurnalists are behind them and are looking for their private things…and then they invite all journalists at their wedding).
It was also their – Lena and Nikita‘s choice to talk about their relationships publicly with journalists – it happened at least twice… they could refuse it but they didn’t.
I agree that people should respect their skater’s wish about private life, but obviously Lena’s wish is to say the whole world that she was with Nikita, then she was with Morozov…I guess that she had more boyfriends and probably some of them from show-business because the amount of pictures which exploded this season was enormous (and thanks to fact she was not the most successful skater or ice dancer in Russia, and in most of those pictures she was without Nikita…it was all very surprising). Even Tatiana Navka didn’t have such propaganda after her Olympic winning and she was two-time World and three-time European Champ those times, not less extractive than Lena. Lena also noticed in some interview that she often visites fashion shows…but it is not easy to get there, you need good contacts. An enormous number of dresses this season – at least eight for competive programs (plus gala costumes) are also surprising. But Lena’s boyfriend (ex-boyfriend) was never seen with her on pictures, so nobody talked about him and it was probably his choice and it is OK in my eyes, he wanted to keep his life private. But Nikita, Morozov, Lena herself…it is a different story.
I fully agree with you that Morozov shouldn’t agree with relationships with his too young student like Ando and Ilinykh. I am basically againts coach – student love romances, because I think that it is extremely hard to keep a professional approach in trainings. Many students who are in relationships with his/her coach are not respecting him/her than, so the overall cooperation is suffering…if a skater thinks that he/she knows everything better than his/her coach…than it is wrong. Coach is a mentor, Morozov as a boyfriend was not.
Lena’s mother always prefered Nikita over Morozov, not only because of age difference. But Lena herself never listened to anybody and if your daughter goes to you and says: “Mom, I can’t be without him, I love him!“ or “It is my life and my choice!“, no mom would resist too long against such arguments. Also what do you want to do, if your daughter spends a half season in US, while you are in Moscow? How can you influence any relationship of your daughter? By phone?
From Grand Prix Final 2012/13 (Lena’s mom sitting beside):
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6802/63430198.731/0_a2361_f0b9373_orig
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6827/63430198.732/0_a236b_8d98e291_orig
As to Lena’s vulnerability…I don’t think it is a vulnerability who leads to screaming and crying on the ice during practise…understand, she was not screaming because they would hurt her…she was screaming because she wanted some changes in choreo. During English interviews Lena and Nikita talk and it sounds well, during Russian interviews it is almost always Lena (if she is in mood) who talks and even don’t allow Nikita to say something. She agreed with many pictures in a very provocative style while she was 17 years old only:
Also this season she poses in quite provocative way (vulnerable and shy girls usually don’t do such postures):
Lena loves to show her pictures with make-up on, she likes to make an experiments with make-up and with such make-up she looks like totally grown-up and experienced woman:
Last time, she took very provocative dress on banquet at World Champs. One picture was already posted above (somebody else posted it). Why Lena herself posts pictures in this dress when it is visible that a dress does not cover the chest properly and one of her breast is almost visible…and she herself puts such pictures on her page even with than dress malfunction?
Plus all those kissing pictures and hugging pictures which she posts on her pages…
Is it a description of vulnerable and innocent girl? Is it herself who agrees with all of this things made publicly and later is (together with you) surprised that people talk about it?
My personal opinion is not important…but I see a girl who is not vulnerable at all, like I see Navka, Bobrova, Riazanova not being vulnerable at all. Why people think that Lena is vulnerable and other girls are not... I wonder why? Vulnerable girls are not those who want to be in a middle of attention, they are usually not such fashionists, they are not screaming at trainings, they are not posting such kind of pictures.
For example Bobrova also had an idea of showing herself in 2010:
During past two years she also made more and less provocative photoshoots:
And I never thought that Ekaterina would be vulnerable.
Maybe you think that Lena is vulnarable because she cries… let me introduce a world of crying women…it is the worst thing which can happen to your make-up…immediately all mascara (if not waterproof), all eye’s shadows, eye‘s lines are destroyed with your tears and it all creates some dark circles around your eyes. Why do you think that Natalie Pechalat had to remove her make-up before World Medal Ceremony? Why do you think that Bobrova was still cleaning her make-up under eyes with paper tissue after free dance at Olympics? Because those girls were really crying and it partly damaged their make-up. Also if you cry your face and especially eyes start to swell – you could see it in both Bobrova and especially Pechalat’s case.
Lena already cried many times, but her face and eyes were never swelled in kiss and cry corner or during post FD interview. And take a look at her (at Olympics, Europeans, NKH)... all those shots are taken after a moments when she was crying, sometimes a mimics of crying still remain, but look at make-up, especially under her eyes:
No eye‘s make-up is damaged….strange? So, are those crying moments real or is it an acting attitude from a girl who wants more attention?
To finish this looong talk about vulnerability / private life / acting….I think that the main problem is that there is no official announcement about what is happening. We all know that there are problems between the couple and probably they (he) want to split. But nothing is offical. I suppose that mainly because of it people keep asking about Lena’s private life, because they want to understand what happened to Lena and Nikita and why did it happen. And because they all – Lena, Nikita, Morozov, Russian Federation are quit, so people came with their own opinions.
Bramweld, if Lena‘s life with Morozov would be only profesional, probably nobody would be asking me or other persons about what things she said and posted about her private life.
Most of skaters are not discussed about their private lifes, Lena always was….don’t you think that her life style (having a public relationships with her ice partner and then coach) and her behaviour (showing pictures and talk about Nikita in public) are the main reason why are people discussing it? I can hardly believe that she is the only skater having a relationship with her coach, I think that there are many skaters like that in this moment worldwide (I only hope they are older), but they simply keep it in a secret and don’t post pictures and don’t kiss him/her publicly – and nobody talks about them.
Overall I think that all Morozov, Nikita and Lena in any order made some mistakes in their professional relationship (starting with the fact that their relationship is not professional at all). And I think that it is wrong to punish Lena only, but I also think that it is not right to make a vulnerable, innocent angel from her. Also I don’t think that Morozov only or Nikita only are those “bad guys“. They all worked together for three years and it took them to this moment…
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I'm sorry sisinka, but do you have a vendetta against Elena or something?
Ni, Sisinka is jealous. Elena is very pretty, successful... Sisnika is none of those.
You are wrong. Girls get into bad relationships, feel they have to wear revealing clothing, present only a perfectly made up face & so on often because society & the patriarchy has taught them that they are only valued for their looks, and this makes them vulnerable because they think that they can only get control & power in their lives through how they present themselves physically & who they are in a relationship with. And then you get the reverse position from judgemental people like you criticising the girls for being too provocative & sexual, and it's a wonder that anyone keeps going in the face of all that.
And in a situation like Lena & Morozov, I can only put the blame on him & the Russian federation. She was only just 17 when they moved to train with him, he is in a huge position of power over her - any coach with a shred of professional standards or even just basic morals would never allow that relationship to happen. Everyone joked when they moved, oh watch out, Elena will be Mrs Morozov number 4, but why on earth would anyone send a teenager thousands of miles away to work with a coach about whom that kind of joke seems realistic? Things needed to change because it wasn't working with Zhulin, but the federation's priority should have been the long term future of I/K, they had all the potential in the world to win multiple Olympic & World medals, and I do not understand why they thought that the toxic environment that everyone knows surrounds Morozov's group, with the mind games and relationships and drama, was ever a place where these two could flourish.
And in a situation like Lena & Morozov, I can only put the blame on him & the Russian federation. She was only just 17 when they moved to train with him, he is in a huge position of power over her - any coach with a shred of professional standards or even just basic morals would never allow that relationship to happen. Everyone joked when they moved, oh watch out, Elena will be Mrs Morozov number 4, but why on earth would anyone send a teenager thousands of miles away to work with a coach about whom that kind of joke seems realistic? Things needed to change because it wasn't working with Zhulin, but the federation's priority should have been the long term future of I/K, they had all the potential in the world to win multiple Olympic & World medals, and I do not understand why they thought that the toxic environment that everyone knows surrounds Morozov's group, with the mind games and relationships and drama, was ever a place where these two could flourish.
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Sisinka is a known Anti- I/K
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Ah that explains it - thanks! That post was just a tad extreme.
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