Elena Ilinykh & Ruslan Zhiganshin

[tulosai]

Really shocked but I don't think this has been posted yet: https://instagram.com/p/8-doKKKBvb/?taken-by=blackswanei

What a fantastic gift!

 

[Duality]

WP and CB changed their waltzes for more classical ones. Does anyone think that ISU recommended them to do it and IZ should change their waltz too?

 

[bramweld]

WP and CB changed their waltzes for more classical ones. Does anyone think that ISU recommended them to do it and IZ should change their waltz too?

No. Their interpretation of the waltz is spot on. STL is actually set to a waltz tempo. For both Dark Eyes and The Evis Medley, the waltz tempo wasn't clearly audible. Besides which their march is also nice and clear. I would be more concerned about H/D. My thoughts..

 

[tulosai]

No. Their interpretation of the waltz is spot on. STL is actually set to a waltz tempo. For both Dark Eyes and The Evis Medley, the waltz tempo wasn't clearly audible. Besides which their march is also nice and clear. I would be more concerned about H/D. My thoughts..

I don't agree about C/B, I think the 3/4 time was clearly audible and countable without issue. I don't mean to sound conspiracy theory think they've chosen to make this change on their own for some reason that is not the one presented. As for the Elvis, I think they just got poor feedback in general on it and were like woah crap we better change it.

Either way I don't think there is any reason for Ruslena to make a change.

 

[Alba]

WP and CB changed their waltzes for more classical ones. Does anyone think that ISU recommended them to do it and IZ should change their waltz too?

Why would they change it just because other two couples did? Apparently C&B got not very good feedbacks or maybe they felt the program was not strong enough. Who knows.... I thought W&P was quite poor but it's also true that they weren't in great shape, so I would've liked to see that program later on in competition. I think it needed more time and maybe the second part needed some modifications with the editing of the music. In anycase, if a program doesn't work for a couple I don't see why this should concern IZ. A lot of other couples aren't doing classical waltzes and they are not changing them. IZ have a great short, IMO. No reason to change it. Besides, Beverly Smith reported CB are supposedly doing Bocelli's More and Il Divo's take on Unchained Melody. I can hardly call them "classical".

 

[chameleon]

I thought the rhythm in Dark Eyes was perfectly audible, but maybe the judges disagreed. Weapo's SD wasn't in the right rhythm, so that makes sense. I don't think Ruslena will have to make changes.

 

[Marta25]

Hmm, so W/P and C/B are both changing their SD. C/B are really confusing me, they seem to be in panic mode to get that World title and didn`t only change their SD two times, but apparently had to change the choreography that Najarro gave them for the FD.

I read on tumblr that STL is considered to be a recognized Viennese Waltz, at least in the ballroom world. So, they should be ok on that front. Besides, Halina Gordon-Półtorak was on the technical panel in Saransk and would have warned Ruslena and their coaches, if something was wrong with their SD.

 

[LisaM]

Someone on Tumblr made a post about their changes and for C/B they mentioned it could be because the bpm changes throughout the part where they do the pattern, slower at first then going faster. So that makes interpreting timing unnecessarily difficult. Also, the bpm was slower than the required/recommended(?) 198 bpm for the Ravensburger. So I assume that's why they changed it.
For W/P I think it was more because of the not very successful feedback.
I am very curious to see both their new SDs this and next weekend!

And yes, as Marta said, STL is apparently considered a modern Viennese Waltz so it shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Alba]

C&B got level 4 on both RW so I doubt it's a question of technical problems tbh. It's just my opinion but I think the change has more to do with second marks. Maybe they don't think (or they received feedback) that it's that good to make them shine or stand out. I noticed they got the same marks in PCS they did in Nebelhorn last season when they finished second, behind W&P. This season they didn't have a strong competition (no W&P), yet the PCS were the same. W&P on the other hand received in Finlandia about the same PCS they got last season at Nebelhorn, which is interesting so maybe both couples were expecting more, maybe. They maybe just don't feel the programs 100%, who knows. There could be many reasons. Sooner or later they will speak about it. However, I don't see how is this related even remotely with IZ . :scratch:

 

[Marta25]

C&B got level 4 on both RW so I doubt it's a question of technical problems tbh. It's just my opinion but I think the change has more to do with second marks. Maybe they don't think (or they received feedback) that it's that good to make them shine or stand out. I noticed they got the same marks in PCS they did in Nebelhorn last season when they finished second, behind W&P. This season they didn't have a strong competition (no W&P), yet the PCS were the same. W&P on the other hand received in Finlandia about the same PCS they got last season at Nebelhorn, which is interesting so maybe both couples were expecting more, maybe. They maybe just don't feel the programs 100%, who knows. There could be many reasons. Sooner or later they will speak about it. However, I don't see how is this related even remotely with IZ . :scratch:

I think people are just worried, that since I/Z have also a modern approach to the SD, it may cause problems to them, too. Honestly, since we have now nearly every top team doing a classical waltz, I/Z`s SD will stand out even more.

 

[bramweld]

I think people are just worried, that since I/Z have also a modern approach to the SD, it may cause problems to them, too. Honestly, since we have now nearly every top team doing a classical waltz, I/Z`s SD will stand out even more.

:agree:

 

[chameleon]

G/P are also going modern and they don't seem to have made any changes(unless they just haven't announced it yet). Both W/P and C/B said their changes were to make the rhythms clearer. C/B's scores looked good for September, I didn't think the PCS was low at all. I don't think they would have made changes this close to the GPs unless they felt they had to.

 

[Alba]

I think people are just worried, that since I/Z have also a modern approach to the SD, it may cause problems to them, too. Honestly, since we have now nearly every top team doing a classical waltz, I/Z`s SD will stand out even more.

There are a lot of couples going with modern, P&C included, although I don't know how "Charm" can work as a waltz. Also they had the test skate and a B competition already. I just don't understand the "panic mode" when they have 2 great programs this year. Sure, not everybody would like them but who cares? Their SD work and can really rock. It's up to them now.

Both W/P and C/B said their changes were to make the rhythms clearer. C/B's scores looked good for September, I didn't think the PCS was low at all. I don't think they would have made changes this close to the GPs unless they felt they had to.

I didn't said they got low PCS but that they got the same as last season. So I was purely speculating if maybe they were aiming for more now. However, if they already clarified that the reason was in order to make the rhythms clearer here we go, then. All the more reason not to be afraid about IZ waltz since the rhythm in their SD is very clear.

 

[tulosai]

There are a lot of couples going with modern, P&C included, although I don't know how "Charm" can work as a waltz. Also they had the test skate and a B competition already. I just don't understand the "panic mode" when they have 2 great programs this year. Sure, not everybody would like them but who cares? Their SD work and can really rock. It's up to them now.



I didn't said they got low PCS but that they got the same as last season. So I was purely speculating if maybe they were aiming for more now. However, if they already clarified that the reason was in order to make the rhythms clearer here we go, then. All the more reason not to be afraid about IZ waltz since the rhythm in their SD is very clear.

:thumbsup:

 

[chameleon]

Someone said W/P made the change because the judges didn't feel that their partial was a foxtrot. Even so, I feel that WWRY is pretty march-y, and I'm sure they could use other Queen songs if necessary, since most of the program is SBTL.

 

[bramweld]

Someone said W/P made the change because the judges didn't feel that their partial was a foxtrot. Even so, I feel that WWRY is pretty march-y, and I'm sure they could use other Queen songs if necessary, since most of the program is SBTL.

Well to be honest, I didn't get that feel of a foxtrot, so who knows? But our guys have the march and waltz down. Yes they will polish but so will everybody else I guess.

 

[Tanka]

I pray that I/Z don't change anything.
Maybe they'll lose some points for nor being classical but they'll gain these points for being comfortable with the music. And the risk of making mistakes after changing programs is much higher for them as a new team.

 

[MK's Winter]

I pray that I/Z don't change anything. Maybe they'll lose some points for nor being classical but they'll gain these points for being comfortable with the music. And the risk of making mistakes after changing programs is much higher for them as a new team.

I don't think they will. The program fits the criteria well enough.

 

[bramweld]

I pray that I/Z don't change anything.
Maybe they'll lose some points for nor being classical but they'll gain these points for being comfortable with the music. And the risk of making mistakes after changing programs is much higher for them as a new team.

W/P and C/B should have been the ones getting those scores that I/Z got at the MO or very close to it given their pedigree, so maybe that greatly motivated their choices. The comments from the judges could have also been a factor. I must say however I thought the Elvis program had potential.

As for I/Z they're unto something special and I think their team realizes that.

 

[tulosai]

W/P and C/B should have been the ones getting those scores that I/Z got at the MO or very close to it given their pedigree, so maybe that greatly motivated their choices. The comments from the judges could have also been a factor. I must say however I thought the Elvis program had potential.

As for I/Z they're unto something special and I think their team realizes that.

I mean, there is no point pretending the scores at MO were not very inflated for all the top skaters. I love Ruslena but they wouldn't have gotten that score at Ondrei Nepala or Finlandia. C/B in particularhad a very very solid score for this early in the season; WePo less so.