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Elena Ilinykh & Ruslan Zhiganshin

Elena said "French choreographer". OMG- who? Any ideas?

Nathalie and Fabian worked a few times with Julien Cottereau and Laurie May Ayvignan. Cottereau choreographed their Olympic FD to the little prince et sa rose, for example. Ayvignan choregraphed P/B`s Finnstep SD and their Organ Donor FD, so maybe it`s one of them?
 
Nathalie and Fabian worked a few times with Julien Cottereau and Laurie May Ayvignan. Cottereau choreographed their Olympic FD to the little prince et sa rose, for example. Ayvignan choregraphed P/B`s Finnstep SD and their Organ Donor FD, so maybe it`s one of them?
Thanks a lot! I think I need to watch those programs again though to be very honest I wasn't the greatest fan of PB dances, I really loved only a few.
I just watched a few programs- I totally forgot how light they were on the ice. And Organ Donor- I totally forgot that routine, very raw. Thanks again!
 
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Thanks a lot! I think I need to watch those programs again though to be very honest I wasn't the greatest fan of PB dances, I really loved only a few.
I just watched a few programs- I totally forgot how light they were on the ice. And Organ Donor- I totally forgot that routine, very raw. Thanks again!

No problem. I loved P/B`s Organ Donor program, but I generally loved their programs. They are one of my favorite teams from the last Olympic quad, therefore I`m very excited about Elena and Ruslan working with Fabian.
 
Great interview, and very encouraging for us fans! :yes: I'm happy to know that our guys are working hard, that they feel so good and convenient there, and that their work with Shpilband seems to be really meant as the long-term and serious cooperation. Go RusLena! :clap: :yay: :cheer:
 
Great interview, and very encouraging for us fans! :yes: I'm happy to know that our guys are working hard, that they feel so good and convenient there, and that their work with Shpilband seems to be really meant as the long-term and serious cooperation. Go RusLena! :clap: :yay: :cheer:

This interview really gave me the feeling that they are both happy about this decision. I can`t imagine how hard it must be to leave your family and move to another country that is so different from what you know. Therefore, I hope that next season will be successful for them.
I`m also relieved to read that funding doesn`t seem to be an issue, especially since a lot of rumors are floating around the Russian forums that there will be severe funding cuts for next season at least for the funding that comes from the Fed.
 
This interview really gave me the feeling that they are both happy about this decision. I can`t imagine how hard it must be to leave your family and move to another country that is so different from what you know. Therefore, I hope that next season will be successful for them.
I`m also relieved to read that funding doesn`t seem to be an issue, especially since a lot of rumors are floating around the Russian forums that there will be severe funding cuts for next season at least for the funding that comes from the Fed.

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I'm so glad that they seem to be getting the best training conditions possible, that they’re happy at Novi, and that this year Elena won’t have to pay for their programs. Reg. the funding, I was under the impression that they’ve got a sponsor who gave them money to go to Novi for the initial three months training, so I think it likely that said sponsor also pays for additional expenses not covered by the Fed, like the outside choreographer. (I wonder who choreographed the SD?) I’m also curious why they haven’t revealed the name of their sponsor – I thought sponsors generally give athletes money in return for publicity, don’t they? But the main thing, of course, is that Elena sounds very secure about their financial situation. That must give them considerable peace of mind, as well as provide them with everything they need to prepare for the new season.

The one thing that I’m a bit apprehensive about is Elena’s saying she was uncomfortable with Shpilband’s choice for their FD. She does say that after some reflection she came around to his point of view, but in the past one of the biggest draws in their programs was that Elena obviously felt they were her programs, she really poured her heart into them, she lived them to a degree that can’t be achieved by acting. And her saying that she was uncomfortable, rather than just unsure about his choice, also gives me pause. Elena is not a puritan or shy person who’d be uncomfortable by something outside the usual ID fare. She’s very open, outgoing and, in fact, has happily and brilliantly skated in all sorts of programs. I’m frankly at a loss to imagine what on earth Shpilband has chosen for them that has made her uncomfortable. This does make me worry.

If it weren’t for the nutcases and haters from a Russian forum that will remain nameless we’d have known what IZ’s programs will be by now, but I totally understand IZ’s position.

But at least any fears that IZ’s programs from Shpilband will be too generic can be put to rest.

As a night owl, I also commiserate with Elena and Ruslan about their rising with the roosters. It’s lucky that apparently they can work with such a schedule. (Some people, like me, wouldn’t have been able to, no matter what.)

And I’d like to thank Bramweld and Bwayrose 7 for taking the time to answer my question about Bourzat – it was enlightening in regards to how skaters work. Before I assumed that the artistic aspect of the program was mostly provided by the choreographer, with some contributions by the coach and the skaters themselves, but now I see that it’s a much more complicated process, involving a wider net of people. In this interview Elena also expounds on this topic when she talks about Bourzat and Najarro.
 
From the two interviews it sounded to me like the sponsor was more involved in the decision of their coaching situation than the Fed. The sponsor must be pretty big, if he can pay for Shpilband and all the extra choreography. I`m glad that they aren`t revealing their music choices, some forums are just waiting to shred it into thousand pieces, so why deal with all the negativity before the season has even started?
 
As to feeling uncomfortable with Igor's choice of music, my feeling is that in general, Igor picks music /choreo to align with what the team's goals for the year are. Sometimes the goals are placements, but sometimes the goals are about acquiring or improving specific skills needed to later get improved placements, or to improve the range of the team.

This year may be a learning year...just saying.

Last year was a Chock / Bates learning year in their FD, hence their struggles. Unfortunately for them, their SD had to change mid season, which messed up the process, and shows where the risks can be for Igor's type strategy. The SD was supposed to be a done deal by the first performance, I believe.

Davis / White's 2011 Tango was a learning year. It resulted in a World Championship for them, and they struggled all year with the program. Their waltz SD was easy for them, comparatively.

2009 was a learning year, too, but in that case, the OD, which they never quite mastered, was the learning experience. The FD was supposed to make a huge impression and showcase what they did well.

Based on this pattern, what I expect for Elena and Ruslan is an SD to showcase their strengths and an FD where they are going to have to work to learn something, given that that is the program that Elena is unsure about.
 
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Hmm, i actually think Bollywood could be a good fit for them. I think they would have the sharpness and energy needed and they are obviously good performers, which is important with this style. If the rumor is true, i'm cautiously optimistic about how it will turn out. It might not be terribly original, but we all saw how the lovely and original Frida was regarded. At least it wouldn't be just another schmaltzy romantic program (not that i necessarily think those romantic programs are bad but there are just so many of them that I/Z need something different to stand out).
 
Hmm, i actually think Bollywood could be a good fit for them. I think they would have the sharpness and energy needed and they are obviously good performers, which is important with this style. If the rumor is true, i'm cautiously optimistic about how it will turn out. It might not be terribly original, but we all saw how the lovely and original Frida was regarded. At least it wouldn't be just another schmaltzy romantic program (not that i necessarily think those romantic programs are bad but there are just so many of them that I/Z need something different to stand out).

I also think Bollywood music could fit them very well. This kind of music is passionate, intense and fast-paced. My problem is that most Bollywood ice dance programs have awful editing. But from Elena`s interview it sounds like they don`t have any intention to reveal their music choices before test skates in Sochi, so I guess we will have to be patient.
 
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An anonymous "source" on Tumblr is claiming that I/Z's FD will be to Slumdog Millionaire and other Bollywood selections: http://ohtheseskaters.tumblr.com/post/144996000791/ilinyh-zhiganshin-are-skating-to-slumdog

Of course, anyone can claim authority as an "anonymous" source so I'm taking it with more than just a grain of salt, but it's the first even rumor I've heard so far, so I thought I'd share.

That would be off the chain great if true :yahoo:. LOVE that genre of music. But until I hear it from Lena and Ruslan themselves, let's just say I haven't been informed.

EDIT: If true, this music and story fits them like a glove. I hope they nail it though whatever they choose.
 
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Now that I am aware of this rumor I heard the soundtrack and started imagining their new dance. If the rumor is true Igor must be really good at his job cause he is totally right that these types of energetic dances will suit IZ. Anyway, before the rumor is confirmed I will try to stay open for all kinds of possibilities. I just cant wait to hear what are their music choices for both dances. :)
 
From the two interviews it sounded to me like the sponsor was more involved in the decision of their coaching situation than the Fed. The sponsor must be pretty big, if he can pay for Shpilband and all the extra choreography.
The interview does make it sound that way, but Shpilband was very enthusiastic about coaching them from the very beginning, and he wasn’t at all sure they’d be staying with him till the WC which was disastrous for the Russian ID. Besides, I’m sure Rus Fed pays at least the basic costs for IZ, such as ice time and coaching, like it does for all the skaters on the national team. The French choreographer and the trip to Najarro would be covered by the sponsor. I’m not sure who pays all the specialists. I think after the WC the balance of power in Rus Fed shifted, and IZ got approval to stay at Novi, but Elena didn’t want to talk about this in an interview, obviously, but nor does she mention the sponsor specifically, just talking about Shpilband’s being satisfied with them.

An anonymous "source" on Tumblr is claiming that I/Z's FD will be to Slumdog Millionaire and other Bollywood selections: http://ohtheseskaters.tumblr.com/post/144996000791/ilinyh-zhiganshin-are-skating-to-slumdog Of course, anyone can claim authority as an "anonymous" source so I'm taking it with more than just a grain of salt, but it's the first even rumor I've heard so far, so I thought I'd share.
Thanks for sharing! Of course, it may not turn out to be true, but if it is, then I think it’ll work for them. I’m not a fan of Indian music, but I don’t like Queen and the Frida soundtrack either, and I greatly enjoyed IZ’s programs to them – they can sell almost anything. The important thing is that it’s not some song in poor taste, as I feared.

As to feeling uncomfortable with Igor's choice of music, my feeling is that in general, Igor picks music /choreo to align with what the team's goals for the year are. Sometimes the goals are placements, but sometimes the goals are about acquiring or improving specific skills needed to later get improved placements, or to improve the range of the team.

This year may be a learning year...just saying.

Last year was a Chock / Bates learning year in their FD, hence their struggles. Unfortunately for them, their SD had to change mid season, which messed up the process, and shows where the risks can be for Igor's type strategy. The SD was supposed to be a done deal by the first performance, I believe.

Davis / White's 2011 Tango was a learning year. It resulted in a World Championship for them, and they struggled all year with the program. Their waltz SD was easy for them, comparatively.

2009 was a learning year, too, but in that case, the OD, which they never quite mastered, was the learning experience. The FD was supposed to make a huge impression and showcase what they did well.

Based on this pattern, what I expect for Elena and Ruslan is an SD to showcase their strengths and an FD where they are going to have to work to learn something, given that that is the program that Elena is unsure about.

Thank you! That’s a very interesting analysis. But Elena talked about her discomfort about the program, not being unsure, which I wouldn’t have worried about at all. Then again, if it’s Indian film music, I don’t know what would make Elena feel ill at ease about it. I haven’t seen this film, and I don’t understand the lyrics, but judging from the Wikipedia description, I don’t see what would be a problem with it. Maybe it’s a purely physical discomfort with the unfamiliar style of choreography, or maybe they’ll be skating to something else entirely. In any case, it seems to me that the trip to Madrid is prompted by Shpilband’s choice of FD music. Since Elena and Ruslan both had a great connection with Najarro, they probably hope he’ll make them feel the program better and adapt it to make it more theirs. I just hope that whatever it is, it’ll grow on them, and they won’t have to change their FD after the season starts.

Hmm, I actually think Bollywood could be a good fit for them. I think they would have the sharpness and energy needed and they are obviously good performers, which is important with this style. If the rumor is true, I'm cautiously optimistic about how it will turn out. It might not be terribly original, but we all saw how the lovely and original Frida was regarded. At least it wouldn't be just another schmaltzy romantic program (not that I necessarily think those romantic programs are bad but there are just so many of them that I/Z need something different to stand out).
I think IZ’s results this past season are a result of power shifts within the Rus Fed and would have been the same no matter what their music choices. Personally I’d have loved to see them skate to some not overly used classical music, but they should go with the music that speaks to them, of course, and if they do, they’ll do great.
 
It sounded to me like Elena`s discomfort came from the fact that this time she wasn`t the one suggesting the music. After all Appassionata, Frida and Queen were all her ideas. Anyway, I`m glad they can again work with Najarro, he seems to get them and it`s pretty rare for skaters to click with a choreographer the way they do with Najarro.
 
It sounded to me like Elena`s discomfort came from the fact that this time she wasn`t the one suggesting the music. After all Appassionata, Frida and Queen were all her ideas. Anyway, I`m glad they can again work with Najarro, he seems to get them and it`s pretty rare for skaters to click with a choreographer the way they do with Najarro.

It was just this. It's just the way it was worded by Vaichekhovskaya who always has a flair for dramatism.The comment was about the fact she didn't suggest the music.It's very common in Russia, and especially, in the last years, where they used to train for the skaters to suggest music.
But I prefer them being cautious it's a difficult task they have to work with than being overly optimistic like with Frida, which didn't get the marks expected.Igor's way of working is completely different.I was happy to hear they had elements in order and linking movements but no music. Cause this is how ice dancing works this way, maximise your GOE, maximize your PCS,in the first place.In Moscow the whole procedure starts in the complete opposite way.First an idea, music, a choreographer, sometimes if the coach can't think like an accountant all is lost in the process.
 
Having thought some more about it, it suddenly occurred to me that it seems like Indian music soundtracks are used mostly for SP/SD. Would the judges be willing to uphold it for FD, especially if we consider the recent trend in ID to use classical music or at least music with similar aesthetic for FD?
 
Consider the Shibsibs recent success with Coldplay. :) in the FD. The only risk is that there is a huge amount of work involved to look relatively authentic in Bollywood.
 
If this FD rumor is true, I can totally see them doing that style! They would do well to check out Meryl and Charlie's version -- my favorite program of theirs. I can just see Elena's sparkling expression.
 
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