Elizaveta Tuktamysheva

[janav]

Is there any chance Liza will change her SP costume?

Oh, give it a rest already! I agree that she could look even more stunning in different costume but it seems she likes what she wears. And if wearing that kind of costume makes her consistently great, I say keep that sack baby! Loved her RN ex costume, btw. Red is clearly her colour!
On more serious note: are there any news on the state of her knee? I hope it's nothing serious, but I was bit worried when she was holding her knee in K/C after her SP. Get well rested Liza and stun us all at the Europeans!

 

[mnm464]

thank you, Sandpiper for the description. Like I said I don't know a lot about her, I was just stating my first opinions of her. I didn't mean to bash her in any way. her artistry and spins are definitely something that can be improved with work and time. For example, Michelle Kwan used to skate robotically but she became what many call one of the most graceful U.S. skaters from what I hear. I am interested in her skating and she is definitely a strong jumper and contender for major competitions.

 

[adelia]

^Well, I wouldn't say "strong jumper", more like the best jumper in the current womens field, bar none. That part is really non-negotiable. But it's fine that you don't like her presentation, everyone has varying opinions on what is "artistry". Personally, I like Liza's style. It is identifiable and it reflects her extroverted personality. The choreography can be better in some areas yes, but I think she sells her programs very well and with ease, and projects such joy through her skating that it has been a pleasure to watch her throughout this season.

 

[sabinfire]

(3) Wonder whether it would be more natural to address her in Russian by her patronymic?? :think:

It is Елизавета Сергеевна. (Transliteration: Sergeyevna or Sergeevna.)
http://fsrussia.ru/sbornaya.html#мужчины-женщины-резервный-состав​

I'm not sure. I wonder if addressing her by nickname "Liza" Лиза would be better. If you're a fan waving a banner around, you are probably not looking to be overly formal... but that's just me. :think:

Loved her RN ex costume, btw. Red is clearly her colour!

After seeing it for the first time in Barcelona, I was half-expecting her to use the red costume (or some variation of it) in one of her competitive programs at RN. Guess it's not currently up to par for ISU costume rules at any rate, if you want to attempt to interpret those.

 

[Meoima]

Liza's expression here, lol: http://instagram.com/p/xRpuHNlI-x/

 

[Sandpiper]

After seeing it for the first time in Barcelona, I was half-expecting her to use the red costume (or some variation of it) in one of her competitive programs at RN. Guess it's not currently up to par for ISU costume rules at any rate, if you want to attempt to interpret those.

Oh no, I don't think that would be a good idea... It's a costume malfunction waiting to happen when she does the Biellmann. I don't want to see headlines of "Elizaveta Tuktamysheva, Leader after Short Program, Gets Disqualified"

I wonder if she'll bring lutz-toe back to the SP. She can still win with her current layout, but she has to be foot-perfect. If she does lutz-toe in the SP, she could have enough of a lead to make one minor error in the long. But just thinking of her years of SP mistakes... :hopelessness: I'm worried they'll come up again.

 

[John King]

Nitpicky (but well-intentioned) thoughts for John King:

(1) In case it matters to you:

The more formal/respectful/polite version of "you" would be вас, as opposed to the familiar form of тебя.
I don't know French, but the difference is analogous to vous vs. tu.​

(2) I believe a more natural word order in Russian would be:

Мы вас любим or Мы тебя любим.​

(3) Wonder whether it would be more natural to address her in Russian by her patronymic?? :think:

It is Елизавета Сергеевна. (Transliteration: Sergeyevna or Sergeevna.)
http://fsrussia.ru/sbornaya.html#мужчины-женщины-резервный-состав​

I had made up a similar banner for Elena Sokolova when the 2006 Worlds were held in Calgary, my home town. When I was walking from the practice rink to the Saddledome, there was a bus parked, and who should happen to be sitting in a window seat? When she looked out the window and saw me, I held up the banner, Elena smiled in response and nodded her head. Needless to say, that made my day.

 

[ice coverage]

I had made up a similar banner for Elena Sokolova when the 2006 Worlds were held in Calgary, my home town. When I was walking from the practice rink to the Saddledome, there was a bus parked, and who should happen to be sitting in a window seat? When she looked out the window and saw me, I held up the banner, Elena smiled in response and nodded her head. Needless to say, that made my day.

Great story.
I hope that you will have a similar stroke of luck with your Tuktamysheva banner -- so that you can make her day as well :yes: and vice versa.
Will you be going to Euros and/or Worlds??

 

[Lipea]

I don't know how to post in the Cyrillic alphabet, so if anyone who can, could post how one would spell "Mi Tebya Lubim, Elizaveta Tuktamysheva" in Cyrillic, it would be appreciated. The idea would be for fans to make up a banner reading both the English and Russian versions of "We Love You, Elizaveta Tuktamysheva" to display when she finishes a performance. In advance, I say "Spacibo"!

It can be either: Лиза, мы тебя любим! or Елизавета, мы Вас любим! - if you want more formal one. For such a phrase as "we love you" to use the last name does not sound good in Russian, since if you love someone this person is supposed to be unique for you just by the first name alone. Елизавета Сергеевна - sounds really funny for her age. Father name in Russian is not the same as a middle name; it is used mostly for showing the respect to someone either significantly older or someone who is higher in the career position. Calling Liza Елизавета Сергеевна makes it sound like she is a woman in her 50s.
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[ice coverage]

... Елизавета Сергеевна - sounds really funny for her age. Father name in Russian is not the same as a middle name; it is used mostly for showing the respect to someone either significantly older or someone who is higher in the career position. Calling Liza Елизавета Сергеевна makes it sound like she is a woman in her 50s.....

Thanks very much, Lipea.

(Absolutely happy to defer to you, but lest you think I am completely сумашедшая: respect for Tuktamysheva's stature as an esteemed champion was my reason for bringing up her patronymic. Not her [young] age.
Not exactly comparable, but in the U.S., it would not strike me as strange if I heard an adult fan [esp. someone from the southern U.S.] address Gracie Gold and Polina Edmunds in person as, "Miss Gold" and "Miss Edmunds." Of course, calling them "Gracie" and "Polina" to their faces would not be strange either.
OTOH, it is true that "Miss Gold" and "Miss Edmunds" would look odd on a banner.)

 

[sabinfire]

In agreement here, as I stated above. No need to sound overly formal in this situation. And for the most part, there is not much difference between Russia and North America in this respect. If you say that you love someone in a formal way, using their full name, it sounds odd unless it's coming from your mother or your Great Aunt.

And Елизавета Сергеевна for a teenager -- no way, very unflattering.

 

[Lipea]

Thanks very much, Lipea.

(Absolutely happy to defer to you, but lest you think I am completely сумашедшая: respect for Tuktamysheva's stature as an esteemed champion was my reason for bringing up her patronymic. Not her [young] age.
Not exactly comparable, but in the U.S., it would not strike me as strange if I heard an adult fan [esp. someone from the southern U.S.] address Gracie Gold and Polina Edmunds in person as, "Miss Gold" and "Miss Edmunds." Of course, calling them "Gracie" and "Polina" to their faces would not be strange either.
OTOH, it is true that "Miss Gold" and "Miss Edmunds" would look odd on a banner.)

You are welcome . I live in the U.S. for a few years, and I noticed that using "miss" seems to be pretty frequent here even for very young women, when someone wants to express respect or a certain relationship distance. It seems that using a title Ms. would be equal to using a full name in Russian instead of a short name, whereas using a full name with the father name would be equal to using Mrs.

 

[yay]

Liza says she'll start practicing the 3A right after the holidays http://www.sports.ru/others/figure-skating/1026122946.html

 

[adelia]

Liza says she'll start practicing the 3A right after the holidays http://www.sports.ru/others/figure-skating/1026122946.html

Hmm... might we see it in competition this season I wonder.

 

[yay]

Hmm... might we see it in competition this season I wonder.

Oh. I don't think so.

Here's the whole interview (the previous one was an extract) http://spb.sovsport.ru/gazeta/article-item/769539
She sees the 3A as a way to mount a challenge and says eventually adding it to the program is very important because today female skaters have the same jumps/combos and it all comes down to whose performance is clean.
She feels her current shape is "good enough"(as well as her 2A) to start working on the 3A, and the hardest thing is to "overcome the fear of overrotating the 2A", and once she manages to do it, she believes she'll succeed.
Anyway, she won't "force it".
Also:
(the journ.) - You used to dream about a quad..
(Liza) - If I did, then it will come true

 

[LRK]

Wow.

Yes, I believe she can do it too - I'm glad they're not forcing it, though. Let it take the time it takes. No hurry.

 

[Sandpiper]

I'm nervous about her practicing it in the middle of the season. I vote for next year (And if Mao comes back... ).

 

[LRK]

Actually... wouldn't that be amazing? I mean, if Liza does manage it... we'd have two ladies doing 3As! Can you imagine?

 

[makaihime]

As excited as I would be if she does start doing 3A in competition, what are the odd's that she really will? No lady has ever been consistent with the 3A and in Russia's current depth (where one slips up and you're out), can or will she take that risk? :think:

 

[Sandpiper]

As excited as I would be if she does start doing 3A in competition, what are the odd's that she really will? No lady has ever been consistent with the 3A and in Russia's current depth (where one slips up and you're out), can or will she take that risk? :think:

It might not be that bad a strategy in the short program. If she lands it, she builds a cushion for the free. Even if she falls or URs her 3A, she's not getting less points than a double axel (fall + UR at the same time would be bad... but not a death sentence outside of Nationals). The real question is, if she messes up the 3A, will she have the nerves to skate the rest of her program flawlessly?