The only direct flight departs from Amsterdam to SPB at 12.45pm tomorrow.
Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
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I see nothing not normal with this tulosai. Don't feel bad about it. Perfectly human and life goes on.
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Given how Liza's looked so much better in practice, I can't help but wonder if missing the GPF Final might be better in the long run. It'd give her the opportunity to do a few smaller competitions and get used to competing in a relatively low-stress environment. From the looks of the other skaters' momentum, I'm not sure Liza'd be better served by going out for another high-stakes event like the Final and potentially lose to one/both of Ashley and Gracie, who have been working on their signature triple-triples under competition lights for years compared to, say, Liza's 3A.
Last season, she was able to really ease into the bigger events with three wins at the Challenger Series -- none of which were "perfect" performances, but mostly clean and allowed her to build up confidence heading into Skate America -- and I feel like that might be a good strategy to employ again.
Of course, with all of that said, it would be horribly unfair if skaters were not able to qualify (or, on the other hand qualify) for the Final based only off SP results, when the other skaters will have earned their place based off two complete competitions. FWIW, the women's tennis tournament in Limoges was not canceled, and is closer to Paris than Bordeaux; while I wasn't shocked to hear Bompard wouldn't go on, I was surprised to hear about the former.
Last season, she was able to really ease into the bigger events with three wins at the Challenger Series -- none of which were "perfect" performances, but mostly clean and allowed her to build up confidence heading into Skate America -- and I feel like that might be a good strategy to employ again.
Of course, with all of that said, it would be horribly unfair if skaters were not able to qualify (or, on the other hand qualify) for the Final based only off SP results, when the other skaters will have earned their place based off two complete competitions. FWIW, the women's tennis tournament in Limoges was not canceled, and is closer to Paris than Bordeaux; while I wasn't shocked to hear Bompard wouldn't go on, I was surprised to hear about the former.
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I might be completely wrong but I also feel this SP it's not "clicking" with her. It's like she is trying too hard to make it work but it doesn't. Maybe would be a good thing to change it during this time and have a new program. Luckily it's only the short, so not much time needed.
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I honestly find it hard to 100% form an opinion on the program and whether it clicks since I've never seen her skate it even close to cleanly
Alexei Mishin: probably, the results of the French stage will adopt at the end of the short program
14.11.2015 22:00:01 | Figure skating | Figure skating. Grand Prix 2015/16. First step
Today, 14 November, was canceled the fourth stage of the Grand Prix of Figure Skating in Bordeaux (France). The organizers have motivated this decision the threat of terrorist acts. The participants of the Grand Prix of time to perform a short program, which resulted in the current World Champion and European Elizaveta Tuktamysheva ranked fifth among odinochnits. Coach skater Alexei Mishin in a telephone conversation with the special correspondent of the portal TEAM RUSSIA-2014 Boris Jodorowsky suggested that the results of the French stage will be approved on the basis of short programs.
- Bordeaux Now all is quiet - said Alexei Mishin. - Only the decision of the organizers to cancel the event, not only demonstrations but also competition in the long program, no one was going to appeal. As in this case points will be counted to determine the finalists Grand Prix, no one knows. Of course, the decision will be made at the management level of the International Skating Union (ISU).
What do they say about it on the sidelines?
- Most agree the opinion that the results of the French stage will be announced the results of the short program. In this scenario, Elizaveta Tuktamysheva, of course, does not fall among the finalists. Only some alternative option seems impractical.
President of the Figure Skating Federation of Russia Alexander Gorshkov said that measures will be taken for the speedy return of our skaters to their homeland. When do you plan to return to St. Petersburg?
- It'll be home on Sunday. In the morning we will fly via Amsterdam.
In connection with the arisen force majeure as competitive plans change Tuktamysheva?
- While it is too early to make an informed and balanced decision. Of course, we will look for opportunities to bring Elizabeth in the best shape for the championship of Russia, the results of which will form the team to perform at European and world championships.
https://translate.google.com/transl...m-russia2014.ru/article/22883.html&edit-text=
14.11.2015 22:00:01 | Figure skating | Figure skating. Grand Prix 2015/16. First step
Today, 14 November, was canceled the fourth stage of the Grand Prix of Figure Skating in Bordeaux (France). The organizers have motivated this decision the threat of terrorist acts. The participants of the Grand Prix of time to perform a short program, which resulted in the current World Champion and European Elizaveta Tuktamysheva ranked fifth among odinochnits. Coach skater Alexei Mishin in a telephone conversation with the special correspondent of the portal TEAM RUSSIA-2014 Boris Jodorowsky suggested that the results of the French stage will be approved on the basis of short programs.
- Bordeaux Now all is quiet - said Alexei Mishin. - Only the decision of the organizers to cancel the event, not only demonstrations but also competition in the long program, no one was going to appeal. As in this case points will be counted to determine the finalists Grand Prix, no one knows. Of course, the decision will be made at the management level of the International Skating Union (ISU).
What do they say about it on the sidelines?
- Most agree the opinion that the results of the French stage will be announced the results of the short program. In this scenario, Elizaveta Tuktamysheva, of course, does not fall among the finalists. Only some alternative option seems impractical.
President of the Figure Skating Federation of Russia Alexander Gorshkov said that measures will be taken for the speedy return of our skaters to their homeland. When do you plan to return to St. Petersburg?
- It'll be home on Sunday. In the morning we will fly via Amsterdam.
In connection with the arisen force majeure as competitive plans change Tuktamysheva?
- While it is too early to make an informed and balanced decision. Of course, we will look for opportunities to bring Elizabeth in the best shape for the championship of Russia, the results of which will form the team to perform at European and world championships.
https://translate.google.com/transl...m-russia2014.ru/article/22883.html&edit-text=
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I honestly find it hard to 100% form an opinion on the program and whether it clicks since I've never seen her skate it even close to cleanly
It was pretty solid at the Russian test skate - 2A and only a 3T-2T - and I was really excited for it at first. But from Mishin's comments, he almost sounds relieved as well that he and Liza will have some time to retool before Nationals.
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I honestly find it hard to 100% form an opinion on the program and whether it clicks since I've never seen her skate it even close to cleanly
But that's my point exactly. It's not the program per se, although I'm not a fan of the SP, but maybe that's why she's having problems with that program and not with the free. Sometimes you just don't feel 100% comfortable with it.
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She's been having problems with the free, as well, though.
Anyway, SPs were traditionally her Achilles heel - she used to say they made her far more nervous, as you had far fewer opportunities to fix things that went wrong, and so had to be as perfect as possible. Now she's not in optimal shape - physically, or mentally - maybe this problem has cropped up again, and would be the same with any program. I think she skated it well - performance-wise - at the Russian test skates, and it looked promising. Personally, I confess, I'd hate to see them ditch it - I'd love to see it skated to potential instead.
ETA - As for Papa Mishin. I don't think he's relieved at all - but he's a realist, and I think he's simply resigned, and is looking for the best way to proceed after this. No use crying over spilt milk. What is done is done - or what will happen, will happen. So where to go from here?
Anyway, SPs were traditionally her Achilles heel - she used to say they made her far more nervous, as you had far fewer opportunities to fix things that went wrong, and so had to be as perfect as possible. Now she's not in optimal shape - physically, or mentally - maybe this problem has cropped up again, and would be the same with any program. I think she skated it well - performance-wise - at the Russian test skates, and it looked promising. Personally, I confess, I'd hate to see them ditch it - I'd love to see it skated to potential instead.
ETA - As for Papa Mishin. I don't think he's relieved at all - but he's a realist, and I think he's simply resigned, and is looking for the best way to proceed after this. No use crying over spilt milk. What is done is done - or what will happen, will happen. So where to go from here?
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Liza seems to be traveling with the Moscow-based skaters to Barcelona.
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No, according to sovsport Liza left together with Mishin's group, the Moscow skaters only departed Bordeaux on Sunday morning.
Liza seems to be traveling with the Moscow-based skaters to Barcelona.
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No, according to sovsport Liza left together with Mishin's group, the Moscow skaters only departed Bordeaux on Sunday morning.
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Before taking the ice for the SP, Liza did not look right. At that point I had the hunch that her performance might fail again... I felt that she probably had some disagreement with Mishin about the 3A attempt after the big scores for Gracie's SP came up. As a world champion, it is not good to see that she was too nervous to cope with her own job on ice. I just felt a little sad for Mishin, and I come to see that coaching a ladies' skater is really a hard nut to crack at any time. I think Liza should sort things out by herself before taking on bigger challenges ahead.
Regarding the possibility of using the SP as the final results for TEB:
http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/ind...n-into-winter-2015.96796/page-12#post-4632522
http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20151116/879738874.html
http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/ind...n-into-winter-2015.96796/page-12#post-4632522
http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20151116/879738874.html
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It's hard for me to take much stock in how Liza looks pre-performance when she looked quite nervous right before her SP at Worlds and then obviously showed no ill effects by the end.
Given that she was landing the 3A in practice, I can't think that element was much in question, either -- but who could be sure?
Gorshkov on the TEB results:
""Our federation has prepared its proposal, which is in addition to the set-off results in the short program also provides for an increase of the finalists to eight numbers instead of six, and they must be determined after all the steps. And will be considered only those skaters who were in Bordeaux. This proposal was sent to the ISU "- he said."
https://translate.google.com/transl...re_skating/20151117/879936010.html&edit-text=
""Our federation has prepared its proposal, which is in addition to the set-off results in the short program also provides for an increase of the finalists to eight numbers instead of six, and they must be determined after all the steps. And will be considered only those skaters who were in Bordeaux. This proposal was sent to the ISU "- he said."
https://translate.google.com/transl...re_skating/20151117/879936010.html&edit-text=
More on TEB:
"FFKKR sent to the ISU its proposal to withdraw from the situation, which refers to the need to offset glasses competitors Bordeaux for the short program, but at the same time increase the number of finalists for the Grand Prix in each discipline up to eight people - the additional two participants in this case will be determined rated and only the athletes who spoke in Bordeaux.
"Some federations have made their proposals, we have made their own. Our proposal is already supported by the majority of countries whose athletes participate in the Grand Prix," - said Kogan told reporters."
https://translate.google.com/transl...re_skating/20151117/879940596.html&edit-text=
Still more:
"President Alexander Gorshkov FFKKR commented on the selection of the skaters in the final of the Grand Prix.
"Immediately after the announcement of the cancellation of any rental program at the Grand Prix in Bordeaux, ISU was sent a letter with our proposals. The first - to count the results of the short program at the Grand Prix in Bordeaux as totals. The second - to increase the number of participants in the final Grand Prix to eight, instead of six. As additional participants to consider only those who acted in Bordeaux based on the results after 6 stages of the series.
If the athlete or pair - participants of the Grand Prix in Bordeaux at the end of the last stage in Japan occupied seventh or eighth place, they are in the final Grand Prix. Thus, in some species can be 6 finalists, and in some 7 or 8. Our proposal already supported by other countries - the organizers of the steps that have also made their proposals.
In the near future decision on this matter should be taken by the ISU Council. The fact that the start numbers of participants stages are determined in accordance and depending on the ranking of athletes. Since the Moscow tournament involving skaters, who started in Bordeaux, by the beginning of "Rostelecom Cup" in this matter should be clarified, "- said Alexander Gorshkov."
http://fsrussia.ru/news/1433-aleksa...rye-uzhe-podderzhali-neskolko-federatsij.html
"FFKKR sent to the ISU its proposal to withdraw from the situation, which refers to the need to offset glasses competitors Bordeaux for the short program, but at the same time increase the number of finalists for the Grand Prix in each discipline up to eight people - the additional two participants in this case will be determined rated and only the athletes who spoke in Bordeaux.
"Some federations have made their proposals, we have made their own. Our proposal is already supported by the majority of countries whose athletes participate in the Grand Prix," - said Kogan told reporters."
https://translate.google.com/transl...re_skating/20151117/879940596.html&edit-text=
Still more:
"President Alexander Gorshkov FFKKR commented on the selection of the skaters in the final of the Grand Prix.
"Immediately after the announcement of the cancellation of any rental program at the Grand Prix in Bordeaux, ISU was sent a letter with our proposals. The first - to count the results of the short program at the Grand Prix in Bordeaux as totals. The second - to increase the number of participants in the final Grand Prix to eight, instead of six. As additional participants to consider only those who acted in Bordeaux based on the results after 6 stages of the series.
If the athlete or pair - participants of the Grand Prix in Bordeaux at the end of the last stage in Japan occupied seventh or eighth place, they are in the final Grand Prix. Thus, in some species can be 6 finalists, and in some 7 or 8. Our proposal already supported by other countries - the organizers of the steps that have also made their proposals.
In the near future decision on this matter should be taken by the ISU Council. The fact that the start numbers of participants stages are determined in accordance and depending on the ranking of athletes. Since the Moscow tournament involving skaters, who started in Bordeaux, by the beginning of "Rostelecom Cup" in this matter should be clarified, "- said Alexander Gorshkov."
http://fsrussia.ru/news/1433-aleksa...rye-uzhe-podderzhali-neskolko-federatsij.html
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Then she wouldn't have been able to do a clean run through. IMO, it's more of a mental block. All of the great 3A jumpers (Midori, Mao, Tonya) has suffered similar mental blocks. And like them before her, Liza will overcome any roadblock and have a successful competition. Hopefully, sooner rather than later.
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I agree. She needs time to work through whatever the problem is - and we fans will be here to support her while she does. Others may give up on Liza - but we won't.
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I would never give up on Liza. Her SP keeps growing on me more and more even with the issues she has been having.
This is a crazy question. Does anyone think it's possible to move the axel into the last half of the short program. Ive been weighing out a pro/con list on this and understand the heaviness of such a feat but....if she wants to win Worlds again it would aid her against Mao's scoring potential.
Liza and Julia seem to be getting along really well and I think Julia definitely is looking up to Liza as a mentor. Sometimes people who share similar experiences can be really comforting for obvious reasons.
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Julia also said she doesn't think it's fair if Liza doesn't get to qualify GPF because of her SP at TEB without a FS to redeem herself. I just love seeing that even with the pressure to compete against each other that they can be friends too. At least as much as people who compete against each other can be.
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Thanks Sam! Lovely photos, and I love that Julia spoke up for Liza - I don't doubt they can be ever so good friends off the ice, but give no one any quarter - or ask for quarter - on it. I think it looks like a beutiful sismance.
