Elizaveta Tuktamysheva

[winky97]

This is unfair. To my knowledge, the drug in question helps endurance, but it does not help one land the jumps. She had to do that one her own last year and her jumps were the main reason for her dominance last year, though she was often challenged and beaten at times by Radionova. A major factor in Liza's season last year was likely disappointments from the previous season. Skating is about peaks and valleys and I think she will be back up.

Regardless, she did not have to admit to having used this drug. It was not banned when she did so she was well within her right to use it. Now that it's banned, she should not and hopefully won't use it again.

 

[shyne]

This is unfair. To my knowledge, the drug in question helps endurance, but it does not help one land the jumps. She had to do that one her own last year and her jumps were the main reason for her dominance last year, though she was often challenged and beaten at times by Radionova. A major factor in Liza's season last year was likely disappointments from the previous season. Skating is about peaks and valleys and I think she will be back up.

Regardless, she did not have to admit to having used this drug. It was not banned when she did so she was well within her right to use it. Now that it's banned, she should not and hopefully won't use it again.

I don't think her success last season has anything to do with the drug. I'm sure she's not the only Russian/Eastern European Figure Skater taking it last season and I don't see anyone else with her success. However, her inconsistency this season may very well be because she stopped taking the drug. I personally don't believe the performance enhancement effect of this drug. But I think when she is doing something so well, anything deviate from the usual routine may put mental block in her brain and interfere with her performance.
It's very brave for Liza to speak out and support her fellow athletes. But because she admitted to having used this drug and also had a not so great I really hope she can come back next season and perform like the she did in the 2014-2015 season.

 

[karne]

Don't respond to evil trolls, guys.

We, and anyone else with a brain, recognise that Liza has impeccable jump technique and that, and Mishin's master plan, saw her regain confidence in herself and attain success.

 

[Sweet Dream]

Such a powerful psychological & media warfare against Russian skaters at present! "However, her inconsistency this season may very well be because she stopped taking the drug." Such idiotic conclusion is just priceless. Yeah, Liza used to take this drug on a daily basis, and without it she could not have made that stunning 3A at the Worlds! IQ showing should at least have reasonable degrees, guys.

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

Now, I don't know what way the conversation in this thread went last night when I was not on the forum, but I have to be honest. When I read mustafakent's comment yesterday, I interpreted it as him being sarcastic about all the things that were being said about Liza elsewhere (e.g. on the TSL Facebook page).

The first sentence was an example of what was being said, and the "Simply pathetic" was his verdict on the people coming out with this sort of statement.

Maybe I am wrong. But, whoever's interpretation is correct, it shows how different people can read the same post in totally different ways.

I don't think her success last season has anything to do with the drug. I'm sure she's not the only Russian/Eastern European Figure Skater taking it last season and I don't see anyone else with her success. However, her inconsistency this season may very well be because she stopped taking the drug. I personally don't believe the performance enhancement effect of this drug. But I think when she is doing something so well, anything deviate from the usual routine may put mental block in her brain and interfere with her performance.
It's very brave for Liza to speak out and support her fellow athletes. But because she admitted to having used this drug and also had a not so great I really hope she can come back next season and perform like the she did in the 2014-2015 season.

Such a powerful psychological & media warfare against Russian skaters at present! "However, her inconsistency this season may very well be because she stopped taking the drug." Such idiotic conclusion is just priceless. Yeah, Liza used to take this drug on a daily basis, and without it she could not have made that stunning 3A at the Worlds! IQ showing should at least have reasonable degrees, guys.

Again, I am sorry, but I think you have taken that part of shyne's statement ("However, her inconsistency this season may very well be because she stopped taking the drug.") the wrong way, Sweet Dream.

Now, I admit that I don't know much about this "melon stuff" (can't be bothered looking up the correct spelling) or how it works. BUT, I do believe that shyne was referring to how long it can take for the body to adjust to coming off some types of medication after you have been on it long term.

Put it like this, when somebody wants to stop smoking, they do not just go cold turkey. They have to slowly reduce the amount of nicotine they are putting into themselves until their body can cope without it.

As I say, I don't know if it is the same without this melon stuff. But, after being on it for however long she was, it may well be that it is taking Liza's body a while to adjust to being without it.

Let's face it, in terms of her skating, it took her a long time to adjust to having the body she now has. So, it may just be part the way Liza is "programmed" that it takes her a long time to adjust to changes.

CaroLiza_fan

 

[sneakers]

whats funny if she was so reliant on drugs why didn't it helped in her slump years from 2012 to 2014 seasons

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

whats funny if she was so reliant on drugs why didn't it helped in her slump years from 2012 to 2014 seasons

There is no time for reason in the middle of a witch hunt. Attack attack attack! Sometimes I wonder what these people are on themselves

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

OK, so there is a witch-hunt on Russian athletes in general since the news broke about Sharapova.

But, Liza did not help her standing with the way she admitted so casually that she had taken that stuff as well.

Because of her saying that small comment, she has created a PR disaster. Now everybody is speculating as to whether her success in the 2014-15 season was down to her, or down to the medication.

Liza should have said nothing at all. It was legal when she was taking it, and she wasn't one of the ones caught since it became illegal. There was no need to say anything!

Was somebody threatening to tell the media, and turn it into a big scandal? If they were, Liza should have done like Sharapova and taken control of the situation by going into full details.

Like, we don't even know when she was taking the stuff. For all we know, she might have only started after the last season ended, and then stopped a few months later in the autumn.

She should have either kept schtum or sung like a canary. Because just saying the bare minimum has done more harm to her than any of the other options available.

CaroLiza_fan

 

[silverfoxes]

Can we leave Liza alone? On her fan thread at the very least, of all places? Look, she was put on the spot by a journalist at Mishin's show and she's an honest girl who didn't have time to think about how she should respond. She has done nothing wrong by taking the drug when it was legal so why is everyone harping on her? It's getting ridiculous.

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

Can we leave Liza alone? On her fan thread at the very least, of all places? Look, she was put on the spot by a journalist at Mishin's show and she's an honest girl who didn't have time to think about how she should respond. She has done nothing wrong by taking the drug when it was legal so why is everyone harping on her? It's getting ridiculous.

But, I'm annoyed now because you put it better than I did!

CaroLiza_fan

 

[karne]

Can we leave Liza alone? On her fan thread at the very least, of all places? Look, she was put on the spot by a journalist at Mishin's show and she's an honest girl who didn't have time to think about how she should respond. She has done nothing wrong by taking the drug when it was legal so why is everyone harping on her? It's getting ridiculous.

Agreed. I actually think Liza's point was the communication was bad, since she had to find out from another skater. But of course, now it's all about Evil Russian Liza, stealing everybody's wins. Because we all know drugs make perfect technique, confidence and mental strength. :sarcasm:

I expect Evil Russian Liza is related to Evil Communist Plushenko.

 

[Sweet Dream]

OK, so there is a witch-hunt on Russian athletes in general since the news broke about Sharapova.

But, Liza did not help her standing with the way she admitted so casually that she had taken that stuff as well.

Because of her saying that small comment, she has created a PR disaster. Now everybody is speculating as to whether her success in the 2014-15 season was down to her, or down to the medication.

Liza should have said nothing at all. It was legal when she was taking it, and she wasn't one of the ones caught since it became illegal. There was no need to say anything!

Was somebody threatening to tell the media, and turn it into a big scandal? If they were, Liza should have done like Sharapova and taken control of the situation by going into full details.

Like, we don't even know when she was taking the stuff. For all we know, she might have only started after the last season ended, and then stopped a few months later in the autumn.

She should have either kept schtum or sung like a canary. Because just saying the bare minimum has done more harm to her than any of the other options available.

CaroLiza_fan

Russian media people love to rub it in a bit without respect to the reputation of their own stars. In a sense Russian people are just too straightforward in responding to such sensitive questions with no tact whatsoever. Honestly WADA is not that smart and it is often made a fool of by some sportsmen from some countries. I have full confidence & evidence to say this, but something is better left unsaid here. Sorry for being off the topic.

 

[silverfoxes]

http://www.fsrussia.ru/news/1985-el...kazala-o-podgotovke-k-team-challenge-cup.html

Elizaveta Tuktamysheva spoke about preparations for the Team Challenge Cup

For the world and European champion Elizaveta Tuktamysheva current season is difficult. According to the athletes they coach Alexei Mishin after the success of last year we were expecting a small decline, but did not anticipate that it would be so protracted. However, despite the problems, the skater continues to prepare for the next launch - US TeamChallengeCupv and really wants to perform there. For information on how the work is, and what prevents train in full force, Lisa told FFKKR site.

"The form I have not wholly due to the fact that the leg aches. Even at the jubilee of Alexei Mishin in show riding with pain. Because of this problem with the leg was forced to withdraw from the tournament in Budapest. We decided that it is better to withdraw than to roll without the elements of the program.

Before the competition in Hungary, I was in good enough shape, and wanted to perform there. But this season everything is so composed that every time something interferes. Some injuries, pressure sores, abrasions. On the right foot Achilles, abrasions on the left. All the time some obstacles arise.

But TeamChallengeCupvremya there. I hope have time to heal. I really want to go to the tournament, as he for the first time. See what Trophies. Anyway I missed the performances, because this season there were not many. I'd like to speak, but do not want to ride in bad shape, so first of all it is necessary to cure the leg.

After quite a long break for me it will be a serious start because TeamChallengeCup-- major international tournament, and the mood at me it is the most serious. I do not know what state I will, but what there rolled, not as a show, but as a competition, it is quite accurate. "Bolero" will roll two of his program, which has performed this season and arbitrary - "classic", as I call it ...

This season really was not so easy for me. And I'm grateful to Alexei Mishin, at the right moment, he can shake me, do not give raskisnut relax. Keep in good shape, so I did not lose shape. I know that I always Alexey supports, will support and never turn away from me. And I really need his support.

Neither he nor I had assumed that this season will turn out. While Alexei said that the small decline can occur after many starts last season. Theoretically, the coach was ready for this. It is one thing in theory, and the other in practice. Of course, Alexey upset, but the form does not show. Struggles for me, gives me my energy, all the while saying, "Come on, Lisa, you can do all things." And to me these words are very helpful. Do not know what I'd do without a coach "- admitted Lisa Tuktamysheva.

Hope she can recover in time for TCC...I really want to see her there!

 

[LRK]

Absolutely! I've been counting on TCC to console me for Euros & Worlds'... Get well soon, Liza! I want to see my Queen one more time this season!

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

Hang on. I thought it was always the plan that Liza would sit out the rest of this season.

So, why are they now talking about her coming back at the TCC?! :shocked:

Like, surely if Liam isn't eligible now that he isn't going to Worlds, then Liza isn't as she was never going!

We've already seen her making major changes a couple of times in an attempt to rescue this season, and they have not worked. Probably because of the limited time frame, and because Liza's confidence is probably (understandably) knocked.

So, to make another attempt at a comeback, at a Major Championship?!

No, that is too much pressure. And it'll do more harm than good if it doesn't work out.

Just write this season off completely, and concentrate on getting everything sorted for next season.

It'll work out better in the long term doing it this way. And the long term is what is important at the moment (Pyeongchang).

CaroLiza_fan

 

[Sugarpova]

She should have either kept schtum or sung like a canary. Because just saying the bare minimum has done more harm to her than any of the other options available.

I'll PM you
tired of this topic

She was always going to go to TCC so Im not surprised she's going

No, that is too much pressure. And it'll do more harm than good if it doesn't work out.

& what if it works out?
+the money!! she cant just throw it away!

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

I'll PM you
tired of this topic

Same here, actually. I was trying to avoid making any comments about it, but with there being different ways of interpreting certain things that were said (both by Liza and by members of the forum), I got dragged in. And made matters worse!

She was always going to go to TCC so Im not surprised she's going

Ah, it just must have been my memory of what I read.

& what if it works out?
+the money!! she cant just throw it away!

Good point. Never actually thought about that. It would do her confidence the world of good.

I'm sorry that I'm not thinking straight so far today. I got up too early this morning to make sure I got the Men's Predictions done before the SP starts! And I'm suffering for it now.

CaroLiza_fan

 

[Sugarpova]

Good point. Never actually thought about that. It would do her confidence the world of good.

I'm sorry that I'm not thinking straight so far today. I got up too early this morning to make sure I got the Men's Predictions done before the SP starts! And I'm suffering for it now.

the preview is great as usual btw:luv17:
drink some coffee

 

[LRK]

@Caroliza_fan - Just to add to what Sugarpova said; Mishin quite early on - shortly after RN, I believe - said that Liza whilst not going to go for a Worlds' spot, was intending to compete at TCC. So we knew about her accepting the invitation well before the official announcements were made. So TCC has always been the plan. And also, just a remider that the invitational spots have nothing to do with who does or does not go to Worlds' - as in the case of Jason and Sergei who are also on the TCC teams (plus as was the case with Nam before he was named to the Worlds' team instead of Liam). The Worlds' attendance is only relevant to the single skaters eligible for the public vote.

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

the preview is great as usual btw:luv17:
drink some coffee

Cool!!! I never saw that coffee emoticon before!!!

And, may I just say, I am so sorry if I annoyed you.

@Caroliza_fan - Just to add to what Sugarpova said; Mishin quite early on - shortly after RN, I believe - said that Liza whilst not going to go for a Worlds' spot, was intending to compete at TCC. So we knew about her accepting the invitation well before the official announcements were made. So TCC has always been the plan. And also, just a remider that the invitational spots have nothing to do with who does or does not go to Worlds' - as in the case of Jason and Sergei who are also on the TCC teams (plus as was the case with Nam before he was named to the Worlds' team instead of Liam). The Worlds' attendance is only relevant to the single skaters eligible for the public vote.

Thanks for the clarification, LRK. So, I got the wrong end of the stick yet again!

Sorry, I should have hunted out Mishin's statement to check exactly what he said. But, it's hard to find things in these big threads, and I was worried about getting everything done before my viewing started.

As for the TCC, I am completely lost with all the rules. It is just far too complicated. (And I thought the rules for the Olympic Team Event were bad enough - this is even worse!)

Sorry again.

CaroLiza_fan