Eteri Tutberidze to became a mentor in a weight loss reality show

[lariko]

The solution to weight loss if you are 241kg is cutting calories. It's simple stuff.

What is the alternative? Give them the same calories and then pray for the best?

Not significantly, not fast and it has to be a person's own initiative not some show to establish better lifestyle. People don't gain weight without underlying issues, medical and psychological. It's not 10th century and they don't have to sit on the horse to assume the throne.

 

[Ic3Rabbit]

To be fair, Heidi's main (really only) job has been Germany's Next Top Model since 2006, where she was responsible for the physical and mental well-being of girls as young as 16, and that's not counting the fact that the main audience is even younger. She's definitely also had a negative impact on many young girls (In a representative study, one-third of 241 patients with eating disorders said GNTM had a very strong influence on their illness), even if she has not had a direct connection to them like a sports coach would have.

Personally, I just don't think people who openly admit to doing the nutrition plans for their athletes without having formal education should be given even more of a platform, but maybe that's just me

Heidi's other job has been a judge on America's Got Talent for many years.

 

[Rebecca Moose]

Heidi's other job has been a judge on America's Got Talent for many years.

i will not stand for this project runway erasure!!!!

 

[Diana Delafield]

The solution to weight loss if you are 241kg is cutting calories. It's simple stuff.

Sorry, I'm baffled by the math here. Is that a typo for 241 lbs? Because 241 kg = 531 lbs. According to this study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nim.nih.gov/34264558 about the prevalence of obesity in Russia, a BMI of over 30 would be considered obese, and that the majority of females who fell into this category in their study were middle-aged women in rural areas, not teenage girls in cities. Say the woman was my height, 163 cm, then a BMI of 30 would be about 79.3 kg or 175 lbs. (My BMI is 19, but that's not relevant here, just shows the range the authors of the study used.)
How many girls weighing 531 lbs are they going to be able to find for the show? That's the size of someone you read about who has to be taken to the hospital, so firefighters have to break down an outer wall of a house to winch the person out of bed and onto a reinforced truck for transport, because they couldn't get out of bed and couldn't fit through the doorway of their bedroom. (I know the whole BMI idea has its detractors, but it was used in the Russian paper and I was using the numbers to extrapolate poundage or kilograms.)
Just curious about the numbers, in an academic sort of way.

 

[Skating91]

Yes, I read one was 241kg. These are extremely gluttonous people who need to be taught basic discipline, which Eteri can do.

 

[Flying Feijoa]

I read that one of them is 241kg that is not a medical condition, metabolism, that is gluttony and a complete lack of discipline.

It's actually quite hard to get morbidly obese without some sort of underlying metabolic condition.
Metabolism even in a healthy individual is affected by many factors. Basal metabolic rate generally increases with body mass which limits weight gain to a certain extent. The reverse is also true for people losing weight - metabolism slows down and they tend to hit a plateau. Going outside of these upper/lower boundaries tends to happen either with a disease (e.g. hormonal issues, eating disorders) or drastic external factors (e.g. famine).

To illustrate how metabolic issues can lead to extreme obesity, here is a mouse with a mutation in a single gene (leptin): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ob/ob_mouse
It may also be relevant here to point out that weight gain is a common side effect of various medications. The fact that simply taking a chemical substance can cause drastic weight changes shows that the etiology of obesity is far more complex than 'lack of discipline'.

 

[Skating91]

It's actually quite hard to get morbidly obese without some sort of underlying metabolic condition.
Metabolism even in a healthy individual is affected by many factors. Basal metabolic rate generally increases with body mass which limits weight gain to a certain extent. The reverse is also true for people losing weight - metabolism slows down and they tend to hit a plateau. Going outside of these upper/lower boundaries tends to happen either with a disease (e.g. hormonal issues, eating disorders) or drastic external factors (e.g. famine).

To illustrate how metabolic issues can lead to extreme obesity, here is a mouse with a mutation in a single gene (leptin): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ob/ob_mouse
It may also be relevant here to point out that weight gain is a common side effect of various medications. The fact that simply taking a chemical substance can cause drastic weight changes shows that the etiology of obesity is far more complex than 'lack of discipline'.

It's 100% discipline. The other day I didn't eat for a 17 hour period only some water. Yesterday was similar but ate some soup during the day.

I like eating all the unhealthy stuff as much as anyone, but I don't (rarely and in small portions) because I like being healthy.

I have normal sized meal in the evening, but all relatively healthy with a lot of vegetables.

I'm disciplined it's why I'm in great shape.

 

[DancingCactus]

Of course discipline is important if you want to lose weight. But if you are that morbidly obese, you need a health specialist to make a plan with you and not just vow to only eat healthy from now on. You need a balanced diet, training etc...

Judging from how Eteri's school seems to be run, she is not about healthy discipline, she is about grinding people down and humiliating them. That is not discipline and it won't have any lasting positive effects.

 

[Skating91]

Of course discipline is important if you want to lose weight. But if you are that morbidly obese, you need a health specialist to make a plan with you and not just vow to only eat healthy from now on. You need a balanced diet, training etc...

I'm sure they would have doctors on the set of the show. Eteri has one small role on it to help with their discipline.

Judging from how Eteri's school seems to be run, she is not about healthy discipline, she is about grinding people down and humiliating them. That is not discipline and it won't have any lasting positive effects.

There isn't really any proof of that.

 

[elbkup]

Born in the 1940’s, I was highly allergic to everything I ingested.. I would take a full (infant) meal with gusto and immediately projectile vomit all.. it wasn’t long before I went into failure to thrive and my parents and pediatrician feared I would die. No allergy testing back then but the doctor in desperation tried plain water and sugar which I managed to keep down and my condition reversed quickly. They were able to assess foods one at a time, some I could tolerate, some not. All through my childhood I had allergic reactions to foods varied in nature but I could always eat sugar without ill effect.
Fast forward to teens and young adulthood, my Mom bless her gave me a diet I could live with but I craved sugary foods.. I guess on a primal level sugar was life to me but later in life I found it necessary to control intake of the very food that saved my life as an infant.
I now know that I am highly allergic to certain amino acids, foods high in L-Arginine in particular (oranges, all nuts) and have difficulty processing those foods. Foods high in Lysine are fine including most animal proteins, yogurt and honey. It has taken many years to find a balance in my diet where I can take advantage in adding some foods with good lysine/arginine ratio to a regular diet of high lysine foods and help to balance the interest in sugary foods, though not altogether. Still the balancing strategy works without the weight swings I endured as a teen and I have enjoyed excellent health at a proper weight during my adult years.

I say all this because it was not easy to establish a regiment and mine was a very individual problem and solution; I thank my lucky stars to have had a family that did not give up and sought the best solution for me and gave me the tools to keep myself healthy and fit as I got older. It is a delicate balance and each individual is unique. There is no one solution that fits all.
I hope this makes sense..

 

[Diana Delafield]

Born in the 1940’s, I was highly allergic to everything I ingested.. I would take a full (infant) meal with gusto and immediately projectile vomit all.. it wasn’t long before I went into failure to thrive and my parents and pediatrician feared I would die. No allergy testing back then but the doctor in desperation tried plain water and sugar which I managed to keep down and my condition reversed quickly. They were able to assess foods one at a time, some I could tolerate, some not. All through my childhood I had allergic reactions to foods varied in nature but I could always eat sugar without ill effect.
Fast forward to teens and young adulthood, my Mom bless her gave me a diet I could live with but I craved sugary foods.. I guess on a primal level sugar was life to me but later in life I found it necessary to control intake of the very food that saved my life as an infant.
I now know that I am highly allergic to certain amino acids, foods high in L-Arginine in particular (oranges, all nuts) and have difficulty processing those foods. Foods high in Lysine are fine including most animal proteins, yogurt and honey. It has taken many years to find a balance in my diet where I can take advantage in adding some foods with good lysine/arginine ratio to a regular diet of high lysine foods and help to balance the interest in sugary foods, though not altogether. Still the balancing strategy works without the weight swings I endured as a teen and I have enjoyed excellent health at a proper weight during my adult years.

I say all this because it was not easy to establish a regiment and mine was a very individual problem and solution; I thank my lucky stars to have had a family that did not give up and sought the best solution for me and gave me the tools to keep myself healthy and fit as I got older. It is a delicate balance and each individual is unique. There is no one solution that fits all.
I hope this makes sense..

Definitely makes sense to me. I developed multiple allergies from my teens on, to whole groups of foods (brassica veggies, citrus fruits, anything high in natural sulphur like tuna, eggs, apricots, etc etc). And then there are the chemical additives, many of them showing up as non-medicinal ingredients in basic OTC medications and supplements like multi-vitamin pills. Didn't affect my weight much except in that there's not much I can eat away from home, out of my own control, so I sit around sipping water (non-"mineralized") while others eat in restaurants and at parties and from vending machines at the rink. It bothers other people like hostesses far more than it just mildly annoys me. But I do understand about the human body: There's no "one size fits all" when it comes to diet regimens!

 

[elbkup]

Definitely makes sense to me. I developed multiple allergies from my teens on, to whole groups of foods (brassica veggies, citrus fruits, anything high in natural sulphur like tuna, eggs, apricots, etc etc). And then there are the chemical additives, many of them showing up as non-medicinal ingredients in basic OTC medications and supplements like multi-vitamin pills. Didn't affect my weight much except in that there's not much I can eat away from home, out of my own control, so I sit around sipping water (non-"mineralized") while others eat in restaurants and at parties and from vending machines at the rink. It bothers other people like hostesses far more than it just mildly annoys me. But I do understand about the human body: There's no "one size fits all" when it comes to diet regimens!

Yes you understand..
My sister can everything I can’t and we gave agreed never to question each other’s preferences..

 

[icewhite]

Born in the 1940’s, I was highly allergic to everything I ingested.. I would take a full (infant) meal with gusto and immediately projectile vomit all.. it wasn’t long before I went into failure to thrive and my parents and pediatrician feared I would die. No allergy testing back then but the doctor in desperation tried plain water and sugar which I managed to keep down and my condition reversed quickly. They were able to assess foods one at a time, some I could tolerate, some not. All through my childhood I had allergic reactions to foods varied in nature but I could always eat sugar without ill effect.
Fast forward to teens and young adulthood, my Mom bless her gave me a diet I could live with but I craved sugary foods.. I guess on a primal level sugar was life to me but later in life I found it necessary to control intake of the very food that saved my life as an infant.
I now know that I am highly allergic to certain amino acids, foods high in L-Arginine in particular (oranges, all nuts) and have difficulty processing those foods. Foods high in Lysine are fine including most animal proteins, yogurt and honey. It has taken many years to find a balance in my diet where I can take advantage in adding some foods with good lysine/arginine ratio to a regular diet of high lysine foods and help to balance the interest in sugary foods, though not altogether. Still the balancing strategy works without the weight swings I endured as a teen and I have enjoyed excellent health at a proper weight during my adult years.

I say all this because it was not easy to establish a regiment and mine was a very individual problem and solution; I thank my lucky stars to have had a family that did not give up and sought the best solution for me and gave me the tools to keep myself healthy and fit as I got older. It is a delicate balance and each individual is unique. There is no one solution that fits all.
I hope this makes sense..

Wow, that's nice you and your family were able to figure it all out eventually!

 

[4everchan]

Born in the 1940’s, I was highly allergic to everything I ingested.. I would take a full (infant) meal with gusto and immediately projectile vomit all.. it wasn’t long before I went into failure to thrive and my parents and pediatrician feared I would die. No allergy testing back then but the doctor in desperation tried plain water and sugar which I managed to keep down and my condition reversed quickly. They were able to assess foods one at a time, some I could tolerate, some not. All through my childhood I had allergic reactions to foods varied in nature but I could always eat sugar without ill effect.
Fast forward to teens and young adulthood, my Mom bless her gave me a diet I could live with but I craved sugary foods.. I guess on a primal level sugar was life to me but later in life I found it necessary to control intake of the very food that saved my life as an infant.
I now know that I am highly allergic to certain amino acids, foods high in L-Arginine in particular (oranges, all nuts) and have difficulty processing those foods. Foods high in Lysine are fine including most animal proteins, yogurt and honey. It has taken many years to find a balance in my diet where I can take advantage in adding some foods with good lysine/arginine ratio to a regular diet of high lysine foods and help to balance the interest in sugary foods, though not altogether. Still the balancing strategy works without the weight swings I endured as a teen and I have enjoyed excellent health at a proper weight during my adult years.

I say all this because it was not easy to establish a regiment and mine was a very individual problem and solution; I thank my lucky stars to have had a family that did not give up and sought the best solution for me and gave me the tools to keep myself healthy and fit as I got older. It is a delicate balance and each individual is unique. There is no one solution that fits all.
I hope this makes sense..

A friend of mine went through something very similar. She was very overweight and yet, had no idea why as she was active and ate normally.
She consulted. They found out that she was intolerant to many different food and when she did ingest them, her metabolism was so slow that her body would end up stocking fat. The problem, she was an adult and ate everything. She had to start from scratch, eating very simple food. Many things were forbidden for her, including many fruits and some veggies. She wasn't that keen on meat but beef was one the thing that was the easiest for her to consume... I don't know the details of the protocols she followed but she was allowed to introduce food pretty much one by one, and they were observing how it was working with her body... Like this, she slowly lost A LOT of weight... it took something like a year or so but she got a healthy and normal weight without cravings and heavy exercise but just by following the guidelines of what she was allowed to eat.

I hear food science has made lots of progress and specialists are able to pinpoint a lot better the issues.

I am glad things worked out for you as well.

 

[LolaSkatesInJapan]

It's 100% discipline. The other day I didn't eat for a 17 hour period only some water. Yesterday was similar but ate some soup during the day.

I like eating all the unhealthy stuff as much as anyone, but I don't (rarely and in small portions) because I like being healthy.

I have normal sized meal in the evening, but all relatively healthy with a lot of vegetables.

I'm disciplined it's why I'm in great shape.

I completely agree. It's discipline

 

[elbkup]

A friend of mine went through something very similar. She was very overweight and yet, had no idea why as she was active and ate normally.
She consulted. They found out that she was intolerant to many different food and when she did ingest them, her metabolism was so slow that her body would end up stocking fat. The problem, she was an adult and ate everything. She had to start from scratch, eating very simple food. Many things were forbidden for her, including many fruits and some veggies. She wasn't that keen on meat but beef was one the thing that was the easiest for her to consume... I don't know the details of the protocols she followed but she was allowed to introduce food pretty much one by one, and they were observing how it was working with her body... Like this, she slowly lost A LOT of weight... it took something like a year or so but she got a healthy and normal weight without cravings and heavy exercise but just by following the guidelines of what she was allowed to eat.

I hear food science has made lots of progress and specialists are able to pinpoint a lot better the issues.

I am glad things worked out for you as well.

I can relate .. once the path to a healthy diet is found there is no going back but perseverance and hope drives long suffering individuals toward wellness. Your friend is a case in point that there is no one answer that works for everyone.. inspiring story

 

[elbkup]

Wow, that's nice you and your family were able to figure it all out eventually!

That’s kind of what it takes though.. I am always skeptical of diet gurus who pander a one size fits all regime..
As I told a friend.. finding foods that would work was difficult but Mom had a support system in her Polish immigrant family like my Great Aunt who had a farm and helped provide alternatives..

 

[moonvine]

She's not being literal. Of course people have different body types she understands this she wouldn't have the same expectations for Valieva as Petrosian for example.

I read that one of them is 241kg that is not a medical condition, metabolism, that is gluttony and a complete lack of discipline.

You don't need a dietician for that. Just cut the food intake week by week in a gradual process, get them to commit to some mild exercise. Cut the unhealthiest foods out of the diet and replace with nutritious foods. Basically anything is better than what they are doing.

Eteri is the best in the business at creating disciplined females, and Eteri is quite a disciplined woman herself. If you want to achieve anything in life you need discipline.

There are all sorts of medications and medical conditions that can interfere with weight loss. Between my Chron's, RA and hypothyroidism I take at least 10 pills a day, 1 shot every 2 weeks, 1 shot every week, plus a ton of vitamins, plus I have to stay out of the sun lest I get skin cancer from the biologic I am on for Humira, although I do not weigh 241 kg, but being mean to people does not help weight loss.
Maybe you should read Gracie's book when it comes out. Eteri is not creating "disciplined females". She's a mean person and if anything she's creating "females" with eating disorders. I don't particularly care how well they skate or don't skate. It isn't healthy.

 

[moonvine]

Why is this woman still allowed to work with teenagers in any capacity.

Why is she allowed around any people?

 

[moonvine]

The point I am making is that any weight loss needs to be monitored by specialists and a figure skating coach is just not equipped to provide such advice. You may be surprised at how quick weight loss over a sustained period can create major damage to your organs, even with people who have a lot of weight to lose. It's not a question of beliefs but of science.

Thank you. If you are in a severe caloric deficit, your body starts burning muscle and fat, the heart is a muscle. Your body doesn't discriminate. It's why Karen Carpenter died of heart failure at 32. It's why doctors will tell you (at least in the US) that you should lose about 1 kg per week.