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Agreed. Not Med's style of movement. She needs someone to develop strength. Wilson's best results come with someone who has an open quality to their movement, like Yuna Kim, or Jun Hwan Cha.
Evgenia Medvedeva to train under Brian Orser
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Agreed. Not Med's style of movement. She needs someone to develop strength. Wilson's best results come with someone who has an open quality to their movement, like Yuna Kim, or Jun Hwan Cha.
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Maybe you are right, and they simply didn't see this. Anyway, we'd never know. That's why I am curious what approach they will have with Alina, especially if new rules would somehow affect on backloading... btw I don't think of Eteri as 'bad' coach (unethical for sure). She has the system which works (the big question would she change it for elder skaters or not, we shall see...), especially now with all these quad girls, I also have lots of doubts they keep them, but it's still very impressive...
And you are not the only one who likes Aver' choreo,
I like some of his programs too. My issue with him is sloppy/strange music cuts (imo almost all Russian programs are guilty of it) and the choice of theme/story. I do not think that every program should be about global problems 
Seems to me, Eter's team do not risk to change the style of programs, once they found style for the skater they stick with it, which makes even good choreography somehow looks the same, Zhenya got lots of critic for this and now Alina's SP is Phantom of the Opera, which somehow similar to Swan Lake insense of being powerful and recognizable, so I doubt it would be much of the difference, but again who knows...
So I think TCC team would definitely try out new styles or at least type of choreography. So excited about it and ready to see Zhenya in totally unexpected music....tango/latina?
True that if the backloading is limited and 3A/quads BV reduced it's in her total favor.
woo calm down.
I don't think this happened because Eteri is a bad coach.
We all explained the situation already, and i think Eteri's team did a lot of great things for Evgenia (i mean she is two-time world champion and olympic silver medalist after all), but she knew exactly what was going to happen sticking with Eteri: all these new girls would have taken her spot, and Eteri would have started to not bother her as she did with Julia and many other skaters. That speaks to the fact that her team is more good at raising future champions than having one that can last for 10 years.
Eteri herself said during a couple of interviews that she finds more exciting young skaters cause they are more capable, they keep pushing the boundaries without thinking too much, so while they can pull out the most difficult technical contents, Eteri / Daniil / Ilya are good enough on making the package.
I'd wait the end of June though, when Evgenia will finally start to work with Brian cause we know how difficult is to work with RusFed and the russian bureaucracy to make this happen, that's why Evgenia will be the first russian skater that will work abroad coached by a foreign skater.
I do believe Russian fed would have not allowed this for a random skater, the reason why they might accept it now is because Evgenia is still a top skater, she saved the three spots at worlds for Russian ladies in 2017.
Why not? i think he and Tracy can make her skating even more fluid, the style of her programs are not that different from what Yuna used to skate: Take Medvedeva's Chopin SP for instance.
Though as Brian and David said, it's now up to her: she can finally have a say on what she wants to skate instead of just following Eteri or Daniil's decisions.
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And they might think that Evgenia is the safer skater they have because of what happened to Alina in Milan. I'm not saying anything bad or criticize her, but the RusFed could think that Zagitova doesn't provide the same level of insurance than Medvedeva for now (she never was under the 2nd place for 3 years).
So they don't want to lose her so soon.
(My message might seem agressive towards Zagitova, but it wasn't my intention at all
)His choreography hasn't been all that since 2010. Can't think of a recent program is his I like.
I much prefer Buttle and Bourne (emphasis Bourne) to Wilson.
In the past quad the programs that I liked from Wilson are mostly work with male skaters: Patrick's A Journey, Javi's Man of La Mancha. Perhaps he will find his new muse in Zhenya.
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It's very doable. The human body is quite adaptable to dangerous eating habits until the breaking point is hit.
I competed in an endurance sport while often taking in very few calories per day for months at a time. One of my earliest coaches even refused to buy uniforms larger than size x-small for the female team members because anything else meant we were "too fat". I don't have as much self-control as some, so during my university years I sometimes maintained my 'ideal' competition weight via a combination of starvation and binge/purging, including overuse of laxatives. I was majoring in biology, and had diet plans from a team nutritionist at hand, so I knew how crazy that was but staying slim was more important to me.
In sports where being streamlined is considered the ideal there are so many issues around food. Access to all the sports nutritionists in the world won't stop young athletes from periodically starving themselves to drop weight, stay 'fit' or, yes, trying to delay puberty in girls. Everyone knows this is disordered eating, including those doing it, but it's hard to convince athletes, the majority of who have at least some access to proper nutritional advice, to change what's worked for them, especially when some, not all, coaches past or present are often quietly saying "don't eat", even if only by actions and insinuations rather than always with words. And some of them are saying "don't eat" openly, or openly within closed training environments anyway. Sometimes team nutritionist are assigned to working out the best plans to get the athletes by on the bare minimum to stay lightweight, not what's most healthy long-term. Or the situation is handled as my x-small-uniform-buying coach approached it; don't ask me directly for advice, don't tell me what you're doing but stay small or you're off the team.
There are plenty of us who are naturally slim with few curves. However, there's a difference between that and deliberately maintaining a body weight below what's healthy. So often, I see posts right here on this forum where people try to explain away obviously underweight skaters with Oh, that's just his/her normal build. I'm skinny too! Yeah, so am I but I recognize someone who is taking in as little food as possible when I see them, and maybe that's because I've been there. Figure skating has an anorexia problem. I'm not going to deny that just because I follow the sport.
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The Russian Fed know the potential of Alina and the youngers, but not their mental consistency over some years at senior level. That why they can't lose Evgenia. Not now, not until Evgenia bomb a major event or may be clearly outperform by the actual best juniors.
And they might think that Evgenia is the safer skater they have because of what happened to Alina in Milan. I'm not saying anything bad or criticize her, but the RusFed could think that Zagitova doesn't provide the same level of insurance than Medvedeva for now (she never was under the 2nd place for 3 years).
So they don't want to lose her so soon.
(My message might seem agressive towards Zagitova, but it wasn't my intention at all
You're absolutely right, Evgenia is stronger mentally than Alina, she has never had such a bad outing in her entire career (including junior skating), while we can't say this is the first time for Alina
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BghCOhg_7oE
On top of that there is also the fact that the two biggest prodigies (Trusova and Kostornaya) will stay another year in juniors, so Russia still has to rely on Evgenia.
The biggest problem is at Nationals, cause we know Eteri is always preparing skaters for a potential podium sweep, all her skaters are top competitors, plus Buyanova's skaters are always pushed hard by the federation, and there is also Stanislava Konstantinova (although we don't know how she will be treated after the massive disappointment at Worlds)
Wow didn't know she had a bad skate like this in juniors. Sooo how many years did she skate this program.hwell:
She skated it for 2 seasons
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I can't tell how you how surreal it is to read the article.
Out of all the skaters in the world, they are making Evgenia Medvedeva, the Russia WC Champion as the next Yuna daughter...?!!! Goodness, me, we may even see her in one of Yuna's show in Korea in the future put together by Wilson... imagine that!!?
Peace and prosperity for all. Failure is not an option. Why can't they take Karen Chen, Marin or Wakabaaa why oh why?!!!! They need more PCS than Medvedeva!!!
I have to laugh at the GOE changes of +-5 which actually makes GOEs worth more than pre Vancouver, how convinient the skater who generally deserve the highest GOEs get to have rules changed to depreciate 30% overall to disfavour her, and when she no longer competes, THEN ISU decide change the previous 30% deduction on GOEs back to previous Vancouver level with additional +17% bonus ontop of Vancouver max level, and who get to have her exact same team?
It makes me think had Alina been Korean, they may decide to deduct something 30% for 100% backloading with some other excuse like Imbalance. It will be interesting to see who actually get +5 and -5. There will be endless debates on the forum with the difference between +3 (Say Waka's powerful humungus jumps) vs +5 (Alina's transitions with average size jumps), but when we all need to look is who they skate for, and where they are ranked within the federation. The sports will become even more predictable ... and easier to judge/rank (may be that is the idea).
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Won't she be Yuna-great-granddaughter? She's there for the next Olympic cycle.
Unfortunately that still sounds like hearsay from the hockey players. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if she reacts negatively towards an athlete who complains about pain or let's it known that she isn't interested in their physical excuses... probably one of the things that contributed to Evgenia wanting to leave.
An eating disorder isn't just about physical but the psychological view of body weight and food.
I'm not going to contradict Evgenia regarding her diet but there are other things that don't inspire confidence in how the skaters are taught about nutrition.
For example.
1. Yulia's protein shake thing
2. Alina saying for winning gold she was allowed to ice cream and one of the coaches off camera quickly emphasizing just one serving and laughing. She was asked about eating gelato in Milan after World's, where she skated poorly, and she emphatically said "No".
3. Alina's general comments about puberty and weight gain.
4. Drinking tea only after 6.
Most modern athletes are taught that food is way to fuel workouts and promote recovery. I think Adam Ribbon said working with a nutritionist finally got him to change and helped him improve his mental health and skating
I imagine if Eteri were ever to asked about "cheat" days, her head would explode.
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I also agree that Alina tends to give in to pressure and collapses. But now there is something much more important: motivation. Alina already has OGM, and won all season. How will Eteri manage to keep Alina motivated, competitive and also not bomb?
It will be a difficult season for this girl, especially because now Eteri will be hard than ever. The other possible option is for Eteri to focus completely on Panekova if she sees that Alina fails the first GPs.
This season they debut Eunsoo Lim, Rika Kihira, I think also Samodurova of Mishin. So an Eteri girl on the podium is now not so probable and she knows it.
Zhenya is the safest card for Rusfed at this time. There is also Polina who always does her job, and I really see her on the podium this season, she was very motivated in her last interview.
And Maria, she is relative stable.
Wow didn't know she had a bad skate like this in juniors. Sooo how many years did she skate this program.
2016/2017, 2017/2018, two long years and something more.
It's so funny to see Yuna fans reacting to this, cause most of them used to bash on Evgenia for not being as good as Yuna but now you can see channels like koola king being completely on board with this, cause they can make Evgenia look more like Yuna. lol
Brian already said that she has that something Yuna had.
1) skaters approach coaches and not the other way around, this is happening because Evgenia wanted to change.
2) Brian said in previous interviews that he accepts only special skaters from foreign countries, talents that has chances of being world champs, olympic gold medalists,... Evgenia with all the titles she got is like having Cristiano Ronaldo in your team, every club wants him, so she was in the position where it's hard to say no to her right now.
I have to laugh at the GOE changes of +-5 which makes GOE worth more than pre Vancouver, how convinient the skater who generally deserve the highest GOEs no longer compete THEN ISU decide change it back with a vengeance, yet who get to have her team?
Agreed about what is going to happen: the top skaters will receive the +5, which will mean they won't even have to plan harder elements in order to stay on top.
In the case of Evgenia i think she could get it for certain jumps, like her 3lo is really smooth with all the seamless transitions.
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I don't think to bash the scoring is the same as bash the skaters, I am quite fond of her and Alina as individuals who work hard and want to do their best. I am adamant on what their gala say about their true artistic development though. The work speak for themselves.
However, I am against garbage programs with feigned packaged artistry when it is really just about points grabbing approach yet somehow miraculously translated into unprecedented historical level inflation in their PCS scoring...the mind, the head, the heart, the maths simply does not compute. It should be important to remain fair and objective to the sport and to other competitors after all, nice to pretend this is still a competition where everyone get equal treatment.
It will be very interesting to see over the next few years how she progress. How she is 'marked' at Russia Nationals against home groomed skaters and their internal politics. I am intrigued to see if there are indeed progress in her artistic development or is she staunted by the malnutrition from Averbukh and his Marcel Marceau bible.
However, I am against garbage programs with feigned packaged artistry when it is really just about points grabbing approach yet somehow miraculously translated into unprecedented historical level inflation in their PCS scoring...the mind, the head, the heart, the maths simply does not compute. It should be important to remain fair and objective to the sport and to other competitors after all, nice to pretend this is still a competition where everyone get equal treatment.
It will be very interesting to see over the next few years how she progress. How she is 'marked' at Russia Nationals against home groomed skaters and their internal politics. I am intrigued to see if there are indeed progress in her artistic development or is she staunted by the malnutrition from Averbukh and his Marcel Marceau bible.
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