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She'd probably lose all speed by the 2nd -2Lo.
Evgenia Medvedeva to train under Brian Orser
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She'd probably lose all speed by the 2nd -2Lo.
If I’m not mistaken Brian did say they intend to work on her Lutz. I think we should at least give him the benefit of th doubt tbh, if anyone out there deserves it it’s him!
I think that he will try. But i don't trust him when he says that he won't put it in a corner
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What was her BV at Olys? I don't remember
The above would give her 60.9 if I calculate correctly
Zhenya's previous BV was 62.33. Something like 3F3T 3Lz // 3Lo 3F 3S3Lo 2A2T2Lo 2A would give her 63.76. The 2x3F and 2x3Lz option above would give her 64.45 but it'd be too radical a layout change to be considered for BV gain anyway.
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I don't think Brian will focus on that whereas Eteri might have
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No, and it's a flaw that was never fixed. Her 2A-2T-2T wasn't too good.
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I'll never understand why they kept that tbh, -2T2Lo would have made much more sense.
Re her lutz edge, I think I've seen videos of her doing it in training without tano and it didn't look as terrible. I think Brian will have her lose the tano and perhaps try a different entry
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Also, I'm sure poor Brian doesn't appreciate his students throwing boiTanos everywhere
Also, I'm sure poor Brian doesn't appreciate his students throwing boiTanos everywhere
You made me throw my coffee. You should put a warning or something
With better, retooled technique.IDK if Orser is going to do that anymore. Let's see what happens though, maybe it's a hasty conclusion.
I think retooling her jump technique is a bit unrealistic, because it's just so, so hard to do. And she has no reason to do it. She already gets great GOE, and RusFed won't stop politicking for her. But if she loses consistency for a few seasons due to jump technique retooling, RusFed will most likely drop her. If that happens, then gaining a slightly improved jump technique won't make any difference (I say "slightly improved" because even with lots of time and effort she probably wouldn't improve her lutz to high GOE quality...at best it'll be passable and not get an edge call).
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Well according to the official interview with Brian by Vayzehovskaya, your assumption is wrong....
Zhenya has texted only to Brian on 2d of April, however he didn't reply to her until he spoke with Tracy and all team and only after he texted back (we do not know when) and agreed to meet at 22 of April. Again meeting him on 22 doesn't mean he already accepted her, it also doesn't mean Zhenya already decided to go to him, it was just a meeting. What happened after we don't know, but I assume that Zhenya with her team contacted Rus Fed, cuz everything goes through them and nothing would have happened without their 'green light'.
So since 22 of April till 6 of May is just 2 weeks to make all arrangements, which is nothing! (I believe until it was certain, there is no point to go see Eteri knowing what scandal she can make based on Yliay's experience...)
P.S. There is a rumor on Russian forum that Eteri had a 'big' talk with Zhenya in March. Back than it was all clear that Zhenya is leaving (just didn't know where), but Eteri refused to believe it and was saying everyone that Zhenya will be back as Polina T. and Alina...However, Zhenya found other option as well as Polina apparently.
I honestly think we should stop trying to find the truth how it all happened as we would never know for sure. Maybe in 10 years someone write autobiography and we know more, I will be first in line to read it
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ITA. It's not only unrealistic...for the most part it's unnecessary.
Evgenia doesn't have the best jumps/technique but her jumps are sufficient and it's not as if her technique is problematic. She's not like Lipnitskaya whose jumps just stopped working after Sochi. By the 2014-2015 season she couldn't consistently land/rotate many of them anymore. Evgenia didn't have any actual problems with her jumps last season. Any issues she had could be attributed to the fact that she was injured. So it's not like she needs a total tear down of all of her jumps. Brian has already said they intend to address her lutz it if they can. I'd like to see them build strength to reduce her muscling her 3Ts. Granted despite this technique flaw, she still rotates and lands them consistently so even if they don't address it, it's not the end of the world. Everything else is pretty much fine.
For Evgenia I think this move is about securing her career for the next quad. Barring any kind of radical changes/unforeseen circumstances her future with Brian is relatively secure. If she stayed with Eteri at best she might have a season of battling with Alina for position. Once Trusova and Kostornaia age up she'd likely be pushed out.
Evgenia has made it clear she's aiming for 2022. Eteri has no road map for that goal so Evgenia had to go to someone who does. I think it's great for her. She'll be around mature skaters who are closer to her age if not older than her which is also great because there is someone in her environment to model herself after and inspire her. In Eteri's group she was the oldest and none of her previous stars (Lipnitskaya, Shelepen) made it beyond age 17 competitively. That probably didn't inspire much confidence for Evgenia to stay put.
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Well according to the official interview with Brian by Vayzehovskaya, your assumption is wrong....
Zhenya has texted only to Brian on 2d of April, however he didn't reply to her until he spoke with Tracy and all team and only after he texted back (we do not know when) and agreed to meet at 22 of April. Again meeting him on 22 doesn't mean he already accepted her, either it doesn't mean Zhenya already decided to go to him, it was just a meeting. What happened after we don't know, but I assume that Zhenya with her team contacted Rus Fed, cuz everything goes through them and nothing would have happened without their 'green light'.
So since 22 of April till 6 of May is just 2 weeks to make all arrangements, which is nothing! (I believe until it was certain, there is no point to go see Eteri knowing what scandal she can make based on Ylia's experience...)
P.S. There is a rumor on Russian forum that Eteri had a 'big' talk with Zhenya in March. Back than it was all clear that Zhenya is leaving (just didn't know where), but Eteri was refuse to believe that it and was saying everyone that Zhenya will be back as Polina T. and Alina...However, Zhenya found other option as well as Polina apparently.
I honestly think we should stop trying to find the real reason how it all happened as we would never know for sure. Maybe in 10 years someone write autobiography and we know more, I will firs in line to read
How can you know this?
Sorry, I don't believe it. In March Zhenya made a statement she won't leave Eteri. If this is true then Eteri is the biggest liar. And maybe she is not a likeable but
I don't suppose she is. Plus Eteri doesn't lie to the media if many people know the truth. Sooner or later the media finds the truth. And you don't forget "Occam's razor " idea...
I said that too. There is not an urgent need to rework her technique, she already get the highest GOEs with that technique. Some say that she will want to rework her technique because she wants to improve. But that means inconsistency and big risk that Rusfed definetely drop her. The question is, Is her wish to improve is above her wish to still winning medals and titles and not lose her spot? I think that the answer is NO.
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My guess is that Med told Eteri before that she’s leaving but Eteri and the team might not believe her. After all who could have thought Med could strike a deal with Orser?
Yea, I think he's just being media savvy. He always strikes me as someone who anticipates the answers the media and fans from different countries want to hear about their skaters. Also, he could be referring to the consistency of her jumps and not necessarily the technique.
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How can you know this?
Sorry, I don't believe it. In March Zhenya made a statement she won't leave Eteri. If this is true then Eteri is the biggest liar. And maybe she is not a likeable but
I don't suppose she is. Plus Eteri doesn't lie to the media if many people know the truth. Sooner or later the media finds the truth. And you don't forget "Occam's razor " idea...
I tent to agree with Charlotte14. They definitely had a talk after Olympics about 'future' plans. Zhenya told I want to aim for 2022, Eteri most likely said well, not sure it's possible, let's just focus for the next season and see how it goes, see girls already doing QUADS. And word by word they couldn't reach the agreement and had a fight when basically Zhenya said, okay than it's over. Eteri didn't believe her but Zhenya started to think what to do.... RusFed said to both: take a break and sleep over it and don't rush. See this link, Gorshkov (president of RusFed) stated that rumors it could happened where flowing around for long time. It started at March.... I think everyone knew but no one could have believed she would actually leave...
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