Evgenia Medvedeva

[melgirl25]

That was me . I swear it was listed that Sandra and David were choreographers on the long program. Was on some skate Canada documents.But it was an error and the skating lesson people said it was too.

 

[NoviceFan]

That was me . I swear it was listed that Sandra and David were choreographers on the long program. Was on some skate Canada documents.But it was an error and the skating lesson people said it was too.

I am not sure if my memory is correct, but I may have seen this in the booklet/program for Skate Canada. I do not remember that it differentiated between the SP and FP, but I remember seeing that Evgenia's choreographers were DW and SB.

 

[MedoLove]

So, only David is in charge of the FS? Well, all kudos to him, FS looks better and better if we compare it with ACI (and we still don't see the final version, remember).
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Guys, I was all this week having fun with the calculations of possible layout and investigating the new rules and tables BV.
in case of calls "e" , I noticed that it's much more convenient to put a 3Ltz combo in the second half, since she will get bonus in the same way.
Example:
if she move the combo 3Lz-2t-2t to the second half BV= 9.35, in the worst case, if the judges mark an "e" at 3Lz, the lutz bv is degraded in 4.43, but the add of 2Ts's BV still continues, so = 3Lze (4.43) + 2t(1.30) + 2t(1.30) = 7.03 and + 10% bonus = 7.73, AND even she can get possitive GOE if her entrance is difficult, if her landing is good and if she adds some exit, so she can even get more points than 3Lz-2t-2t in the first half LOL [ "e" should be -3 or -4 , but this discount its applied after that they add the possitive GOE of the rest of the bullets (entrance, match with the music, height, previous steps, etc)] , so if she get a +4 , +4-3 =+1(GOE 0.44 according the Table for a 3lze) = 7.73 +GOE 0.44 = 8.17 !!!!!!! , in a worst case= +3-3) =GOE 0 ,BV = 7.73 (she retain this result) .


AND , in the best and most probably case , if judges mark an (!) = she retain the entire BV =9.35 , and its just -1 or -3 , still with possitive goe applied over 3Lz Bv (5.90) . +4 (4 or 5 bullets) -1= +3 (1.77 GOE) ,RESULT= 11.12 (best case , much higher than 3S-3T) . Worse case : +3-2)= +1 (GOE : 0.59) = 10.18 (still better than a 3S-3T!!)

*Conclusion: even with an "e" she can balance the discount so that it does not affect the final TES, lmao, I'm starting to love this new system!!!!

*Notes: -Final GOE in a combo its calculated over the jump with more BV (3Lz "e"= 4.43 has more bv than two 2T=2.6 , here is the table ) .
-3S-3T (second half) =9.35 +GOE = +1.04 , she got 10.39 in the last competition.
This is the most probably case : 3Lz(!)+2T+2T (x) = 9.35 + GOE 1.77 = 11.12

 

[esteticlove]

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Atleast one of us has paid attention in maths class! :agree: Thanks for your calculations, it will be interesting to see if they'll move the combination in the 2nd part.

 

[melgirl25]

So, only David is in charge of the FS? Well, all kudos to him, FS looks better and better if we compare it with ACI (and we still don't see the final version, remember).
-----------
Guys, I was all this week having fun with the calculations of possible layout and investigating the new rules and tables BV.
in case of calls "e" , I noticed that it's much more convenient to put a 3Ltz combo in the second half, since she will get bonus in the same way.
Example:
if she move the combo 3Lz-2t-2t to the second half BV= 9.35, in the worst case, if the judges mark an "e" at 3Lz, the lutz bv is degraded in 4.43, but the add of 2Ts's BV still continues, so = 3Lze (4.43) + 2t(1.30) + 2t(1.30) = 7.03 and + 10% bonus = 7.73, AND even she can get possitive GOE if her entrance is difficult, if her landing is good and if she adds some exit, so she can even get more points than 3Lz-2t-2t in the first half LOL [ "e" should be -3 or -4 , but this discount its applied after that they add the possitive GOE of the rest of the bullets (entrance, match with the music, height, previous steps, etc)] , so if she get a +4 , +4-3 =+1(GOE 0.44 according the Table for a 3lze) = 7.73 +GOE 0.44 = 8.17 !!!!!!! , in a worst case= +3-3) =GOE 0 ,BV = 7.73 (she retain this result) .


AND , in the best and most probably case , if judges mark an (!) = she retain the entire BV =9.35 , and its just -1 or -3 , still with possitive goe applied over 3Lz Bv (5.90) . +4 (4 or 5 bullets) -1= +3 (1.77 GOE) ,RESULT= 11.12 (best case , much higher than 3S-3T) . Worse case : +3-2)= +1 (GOE : 0.59) = 10.18 (still better than a 3S-3T!!)

*Conclusion: even with an "e" she can balance the discount so that it does not affect the final TES, lmao, I'm starting to love this new system!!!!

*Notes: -Final GOE in a combo its calculated over the jump with more BV (3Lz "e"= 4.43 has more bv than two 2T=2.6 , here is the table ) .
-3S-3T (second half) =9.35 +GOE = +1.04 , she got 10.39 in the last competition.
This is the most probably case : 3Lz(!)+2T+2T (x) = 9.35 + GOE 1.77 = 11.12

Can you please send a fax to Brian Orser! For someone reason, I don't see him as someone who is making these calculations...

 

[alpaca]

I'm so excited for Zhenya's journey this season and hopefully we'll be able to look back on it and see just how much she's changed and improved for the better. I'm actually glad that her programs are continuing to evolve through the season, unlike her previous ones where it was just set and done basically from the first competition (which has both its ups and downs of course) and that her scores aren't inflated. I as a huge supporter loved and would love to see her getting really big scores like she used to but I think in the long run, not being as high (or with special treatment as some say) will help her improve much more over having judges be generous to her. When we see her get those huge points again with Borser, no one will be able to dispute in any way that she truly earned them. :agree:

 

[Metis]

Can you please send a fax to Brian Orser! For someone reason, I don't see him as someone who is making these calculations...

She can’t do the flutz in the backhalf. She doesn’t backload the flutz for a reason — her toe jumps, while somewhat improved, are still extremely flawed (her edge jumps are better, at least the Salchow). On top of that, she has a relatively lengthy setup for the flutz, as she spends a fair amount of time gliding on an outside edge with her knees locked, which doesn’t prevent the change of edge and ironically telegraphs it even more.

Attempting to recoup points deducted for a properly called technical error by backloading the jump makes very little sense, nevermind the fact that there’s a reason not even Eteri backloaded the flutz. It’s a cute concept in theory, but it would be bad for Med herself (you’re adding a ton of stress by placing her worst element in a position to make or break her score, exponentially increasing the chance of various tech calls — not to mention an outright fall, etc.).

If she’s going to fix the flutz, attempting to do a proper Lutz early in the programme when she’s able to focus and doesn’t need to rely on muscle memory as much to grind out a combo while tired is exactly when. It’s still a flutz, but she at least there’s a chance she’ll bring some of her improvements in practice to the competition by attempting her worst element early on. She can do the 3S-3T while tired (very late in the programme) with extremely high consistency, and putting your more stable jumps in the bonus means a much higher chance of actually receiving a meaningful boost from the 10% bonus — why would you trade that for the risk of 3Lze + fall + UR + 10%? 10% of “almost zero BV” is “almost zero.”

 

[melgirl25]

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Okay, that makes complete sense.

 

[Metis]

Okay, that makes complete sense.

I’m 99.9% sure it’s why she has both 3Lz(e)s in the first three jumping passes of the free and why the Lutz is the first jump in the short. The risk-reward is really brutal with expanded GOE range and lower BVs. What she loses in TES for an edge call is not worth risking a fall and a far steeper penalty (including PCS caps).

 

[luanddu]

That was me . I swear it was listed that Sandra and David were choreographers on the long program. Was on some skate Canada documents.But it was an error and the skating lesson people said it was too.

Don't worry, I believe you, and thank you for posting that information here, if true that was really important. The good thing is that the LP is improving, still lots of work to do, but it's on an upward trajectory.

About the Lutz, I also thought like Medolove than maybe when she's used to do it with a flat instead of an inside edge she will backload it. But as Tracy said in one of her commentary, Zhenya goes back to the old tecnique when she's tired, so maybe that's why we're seeing it right at the beginning, which is kind of what Metis was saying.

Also on another note, i think they are starting to remove all the tanos and rippons: first it was with the double axel so it could be fixed. Then her salchow, which was really pretty with rippon, but she's now getting more height and distance as we saw in the practices, which would be an indicator that they will train 4S. I also think that they will remove the tano from the lutz and flip. I think they haven't done that yet because they can't change everything in the middle of the season, and they need her jumps to be really stable for competition. But I wouldn't be surprised if next season we don't see them.

 

[pandatours]

Also on another note, i think they are starting to remove all the tanos and rippons: first it was with the double axel so it could be fixed. Then her salchow, which was really pretty with rippon, but she's now getting more height and distance as we saw in the practices, which would be an indicator that they will train 4S. I also think that they will remove the tano from the lutz and flip. I think they haven't done that yet because they can't change everything in the middle of the season, and they need her jumps to be really stable for competition. But I wouldn't be surprised if next season we don't see them.

This is a good theory and I hope it’s true! I love tanos and Rippons when they are used sparingly but when every jump has a tano it is...not my cup of tea. It’s very distracting actually.

 

[StrikerIvan]

Anybody know how I can send the letters or sth to Zhenya? This month is her birthday, I would like to send her my good wishes:luv17: So, could I just send the letter to TCC?

 

[Fluture]

Anybody know how I can send the letters or sth to Zhenya? This month is her birthday, I would like to send her my good wishes:luv17: So, could I just send the letter to TCC?

Ooh, that‘s such a cool idea! I wondered whether I should send her a message per instagram but I thought she probably won‘t read it anyway because she gets tons of them everyday. But a personal letter is really a good idea!! I have no idea unfortunately but if someone finds out, tell us...

 

[Jeanie19]

Let me know too. Ill send a Starbucks gift card.

 

[yoloaxel]

Let's all thank Stasya because thanks to her Zhenya can get away with a silver at IDF as long as she scores above 213.90 there. That said, I want her to get that gold

 

[chasseneige]

Let me know too. Ill send a Starbucks gift card.

I would also love to send Evgenia a message and a gift card! I know she has received tons of gifts from adoring fans but I’d still like to send something towards her way. Birthdays are so exciting!

 

[Mrs. P]

Maybe contact Zhenya's agent? I think he's listed on her Twitter somewhere.

According to a Phil Hersh story, it's Plushy's agent Ari Zakarian.

 

[Fluture]

Let's all thank Stasya because thanks to her Zhenya can get away with a silver at IDF as long as she scores above 213.90 there. That said, I want her to get that gold

Yay!! 213 is still a big score, though. Alina only had 215 today. But her chances seem to be a bit better now at least!

 

[StrikerIvan]

Because I have to send my letter from the other side of the world, it takes about 10-12 days, I have to know the method as soon as possiblehwell:

 

[IceBallerina]

NHK will pretty much be the deciding factor of the GPF. Such a deep field. And we don’t know what Rika will do. Anyways, her chances for the final did get a little better today. Unfortunately it was at Sakamoto’s expense which is a shame because shes so lovely.

Now we play the waiting game. However, here’s a look ahead…

Evgenia needs above a 213.90 total if she’s gets silver. A realistic clean SP score with a ! will be around 73 points.

The free will depend on the layout. She’s going to need all her spin levels at 4. They need to only have one lutz as well. If she gets say a 73 in the short, she will need 140.91 in the long program which I think is totally achievable.