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I’m so happy!! My otaku/sailor moon side is screaming right now but, I hope she won’t jump in this performance!! The spin from the video was already too much!! Before anyone go crazy here, im always worried about her 
Evgenia Medvedeva
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I also think that 2 + 2 + 2 plays against her! I feel it is outdated, she can add a 2A-3t-2Lo or simply distribute 2A in combinations with a triple, 2A + 3T. She also knows how to make combinations with 2a, as we see in this practice of 2017: 3Lo-3T-1Lo-3S, 2A-3T
I think the only combination that can cost a little more is 3F-3Lo, she has already cascaded 3s-3Lo-3T and 3Lo-3Lo, so I assume that a 3S-3lo and 3lo-3lo is a sure thing.
Maybe she keeps the design 2/5 or 3/5, because we still don't know if the 10% bonus would apply to all jumps in the second half, then it would be
2A
3F-3Lo
3Lz
3S-3Lo
2A + 3T
3F
that design seems competitive to start the season, while she practices her 4s (which I think is very likely, due to her anatomy, rotation speed, and success rate in landings). She can also add Trusova's combinations: 3F-1Lo-3S
Now, dreaming, when our girl has a 4S :luv17:
4s
3F-3Lo
3lz
3s-3Lo
2A + 3T
2A
3F
I don't know if I have done some zayak in my layout proposal lmao.
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Guys, do you really don't see the difference to be able to jump something in practice... and put it in competition program? really?????? 
and... 4s ... SHE NEVER LANDED EVEN AT PRACTICE?? Don't you think it's kind of delusional and naive even to just speak about this jump?
-3lo combos... it's not that easy.. Even Alina was struggling with these combos from time to time
And you just don't know ... how stable these combos for Evgenia... even if she could perform sometimes them at practice...(when she was in her top shape) it doesn't mean this element are ready or stable... especially now. in view of Evgenia's health problems.
And to be honest.... -3lo combo for Evgenia is pointless.
If you can't put two 3lz and two 3f in your program, the risk doesn't pay off. the difference in bv between 3t and 3lo just 0.8.
and... 4s ... SHE NEVER LANDED EVEN AT PRACTICE?? Don't you think it's kind of delusional and naive even to just speak about this jump?
-3lo combos... it's not that easy.. Even Alina was struggling with these combos from time to time
And you just don't know ... how stable these combos for Evgenia... even if she could perform sometimes them at practice...(when she was in her top shape) it doesn't mean this element are ready or stable... especially now. in view of Evgenia's health problems.
And to be honest.... -3lo combo for Evgenia is pointless.
If you can't put two 3lz and two 3f in your program, the risk doesn't pay off. the difference in bv between 3t and 3lo just 0.8.
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Guys, do you really don't see the difference to be able to jump something in practice... and put it in competition program? really??????
and... 4s ... SHE NEVER LANDED EVEN AT PRACTICE?? Don't you think it's kind of delusional and naive even to just speak about this jump?
-3lo combos... it's not that easy.. Even Alina was struggling with these combos from time to time
And you just don't know ... how stable these combos for Evgenia... even if she could perform sometimes them at practice...(when she was in her top shape) it doesn't mean this element are ready or stable... especially now. in view of Evgenia's health problems.
And to be honest.... -3lo combo for Evgenia is pointless.
If you can't put two 3lz and two 3f in your program, the risk doesn't pay off. the difference in bv between 3t and 3lo just 0.8.
The 4S discourse was brought up because Zhenya herself has brought it up, saying she would land some in practice with a fall. The -3Lo combo is an option because objectively Zhenya does need to upgrade her tech content, she has said so herself after the OG and I’m sure that she will. We were just thinking of options. Another option could be her fixing her Lz definitively but we know it’s incredibly hard
To be honest, I don't think she need 4s and she shouldn't go for it. more important is being clean(get pcs and goe, maybe after changes it will be even more important). Zhenya clean skate is 230-240, better change somethng else. it is enough to be medalist( in most cases gold medalist). Sasha "human tornado" Trusova is very light, short and young( Shcherbakova and Kostornaya the same case-still growing). I don't believe in japanese girls(i am doubting Thomas). Hard to predict future. but the most important are health and consistency.
She got 224 during nhk 2017, and it was far from clean(poor Zhenya shouldnt go there) and 224 was enough to win worlds2018(last 10results were better than Osmond 223). In my eyes she deserves her pcs and goe, if rumors are true, consitent Zhenya with goe +5 is at least silver medalist. So no worries
ps. quad discussion it is Trusova fault
She got 224 during nhk 2017, and it was far from clean(poor Zhenya shouldnt go there) and 224 was enough to win worlds2018(last 10results were better than Osmond 223). In my eyes she deserves her pcs and goe, if rumors are true, consitent Zhenya with goe +5 is at least silver medalist. So no worries
ps. quad discussion it is Trusova fault
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Guys, do you really don't see the difference to be able to jump something in practice... and put it in competition program? really??????
and... 4s ... SHE NEVER LANDED EVEN AT PRACTICE?? Don't you think it's kind of delusional and naive even to just speak about this jump?
-3lo combos... it's not that easy.. Even Alina was struggling with these combos from time to time
And you just don't know ... how stable these combos for Evgenia... even if she could perform sometimes them at practice...(when she was in her top shape) it doesn't mean this element are ready or stable... especially now. in view of Evgenia's health problems.
And to be honest.... -3lo combo for Evgenia is pointless.
If you can't put two 3lz and two 3f in your program, the risk doesn't pay off. the difference in bv between 3t and 3lo just 0.8.
@atsumiri She has 2 seasons before the juniors reach her, so she can try putting the new combos in little by little, maybe as SpiralsforMilles said, testing first with 3 + 1 + 3. I think it's not crazy that in two seasons dominates a combo 3F-3Lo or 3S-3Lo.
For the moment she should rest, wait for the new rules and start practicing, we can keep dreaming of a 4s or speculating with possible designs, there is nothing wrong with that (;
there are still 4 years so that she can achieve a complete development and be able to put in her layout that longed 4s, it's not something that we are inventing based on nothing, it has come out of her own mouth that she wants to increase her BV and try the 4s. Of course, the practices don't compare to the competitions, but you know, Evgenia has shown us that she has so much mental strength, and when she is healthy her landings are so stable, that it doesn't seem crazy to try something else, what is What would she can lose? the "worst" is to be second, not bad. I think it's much more naive to think that everything should stay the same, remember that she only lost her OGM by little more than one point, so every decimal counts, even if it's only 0.8.
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I also think that 2 lutzes and 2 flips are what would help her BV the most. With those two jumps repeated it wouldn’t really matter at all if she does a -3Lo combo or a -3T combo. But the question is, would she be able to fix the Lutz? I remember it’s been mentioned here before right foot injuries do help with fixing the edge, and after a long time off she could relearn it but I don’t know, it’s hard.
(I admit a hope for a quad too but it’s too much of a risk)
(I admit a hope for a quad too but it’s too much of a risk)
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I do think 4S is her personal goal, she's been talking about since junior.
Will she get it? Maybe, but certainly not next season,because she has a rehab to go through and considering the time to learn new jump .... I'm doubting the possibility of her adding -3lo too for the same reason, but it's much more likely than 4S and she's been training them before, so maybe she'd add them at the end of season if her rehab and practices go well?
Can she win then with the old layout? She can because next season consistency is even more highlighted with the new rules. If the 10% bonus in the second half is not removed, I think the max she can go is with the layout she had at Nepela, switching 3lz as earlier jumping pass.
4S for the seasons after? Will have to see if coming seasons there'd be at least a vid of her landing one in practice first
About edge fixing...it's really hard, and very rare to see skaters who have this issue get it fixed completely, flat edge or slight inside edge is the max but calls can be avoided in this case except with strict tech panels. 3A looked like it was easier than edge fixing for Mao. This issue is really hard to say...I do think it's have something to do with one's body.
Will she get it? Maybe, but certainly not next season,because she has a rehab to go through and considering the time to learn new jump ...
. I'm doubting the possibility of her adding -3lo too for the same reason, but it's much more likely than 4S and she's been training them before, so maybe she'd add them at the end of season if her rehab and practices go well?Can she win then with the old layout? She can because next season consistency is even more highlighted with the new rules. If the 10% bonus in the second half is not removed, I think the max she can go is with the layout she had at Nepela, switching 3lz as earlier jumping pass.
4S for the seasons after? Will have to see if coming seasons there'd be at least a vid of her landing one in practice first
About edge fixing...it's really hard, and very rare to see skaters who have this issue get it fixed completely, flat edge or slight inside edge is the max but calls can be avoided in this case except with strict tech panels. 3A looked like it was easier than edge fixing for Mao
. This issue is really hard to say...I do think it's have something to do with one's body.
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To be honest, I don't think she need 4s and she shouldn't go for it. more important is being clean(get pcs and goe, maybe after changes it will be even more important). Zhenya clean skate is 230-240, better change somethng else. it is enough to be medalist( in most cases gold medalist). Sasha "human tornado" Trusova is very light, short and young( Shcherbakova and Kostornaya the same case-still growing). I don't believe in japanese girls(i am doubting Thomas). Hard to predict future. but the most important are health and consistency.
She got 224 during nhk 2017, and it was far from clean(poor Zhenya shouldnt go there) and 224 was enough to win worlds2018(last 10results were better than Osmond 223). In my eyes she deserves her pcs and goe, if rumors are true, consitent Zhenya with goe +5 is at least silver medalist. So no worries
ps. quad discussion it is Trusova fault
(Sorry for the double post, I think I still do not know how to quote well)
We are not waiting for the 4s tomorrow, obviously I think it's something that takes time, and luckily there are still 4 long years left
Her consistency I do not put in doubt, because still injured the only thing that lost was the first place, never bombed. She overcame her puberty, her mind is strong, so the only and most important thing for her now is to heal completely, and then try the things SHE WANTS.
As @yoloaxel says, all this has been said by Zhenya herself. And she knows that her lutz is not good, that's why a 3ltz-3T seems foolish, Mao Asada could never fix it, and well, Mao opted for 3F-3Lo and 3A. Luckily Zhenya is not an UR bomb.
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(I don't know how to make multiple quotes)
but that is the problem, that's why we speculate so much with the Loops. Zhenya is a person who repeats things until she masters them. How many times have she struggled with her natural impulse in the takeoff lutz? maybe many. She should keep practicing it, but it seems much more risky for her to add a second lutz, which could be called. Her Flip is very good, that's why she always makes 3F-3T, and single 3F, and she ALWAYS lands it. Zagitova dominated a combination Loop in just one season, always fell until Europeans, I think Evgenia has better landings than any lady, so that lowers her% risk and that's why I get excited by the Loops, I love combinations with Loop , they are very aesthetic because there is not an annoying pause as with the Toe.
Anyway, let's hope that Zhenya heals, that she has fun in Japan and rests
, I'm sure that these events without jumps will help her in her SS, flexibility, interpretation.There are still 4 years left until the next Olympics, and two free seasons of little super-juniors-monsters, I'm optimistic
Go, Zhenya!
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(Sorry for the double post, I think I still do not know how to quote well)
We are not waiting for the 4s tomorrow, obviously I think it's something that takes time, and luckily there are still 4 long years left
Her consistency I do not put in doubt, because still injured the only thing that lost was the first place, never bombed. She overcame her puberty, her mind is strong, so the only and most important thing for her now is to heal completely, and then try the things SHE WANTS.
As @yoloaxel says, all this has been said by Zhenya herself. And she knows that her lutz is not good, that's why a 3ltz-3T seems foolish, Mao Asada could never fix it, and well, Mao opted for 3F-3Lo and 3A. Luckily Zhenya is not an UR bomb.
I agree completely with you, @MedoLove!! Honestly, her consistency is the last thing we should be worrying now, not only she delivered from the past of 3 years, when it was only her competing alone, with all the pressure in her shoulders (Russia and Russian should be thankful for her tbh), but we could see her delivering too while she was injury (honestly, still blows my mind that she was able to be consistency in the Olys even with her foot like that)! Her mental strength is amazing, and it’s rare too, so I’m not worried about those things! And yes, she knows her Lutz is not brilliant, unfortunately it’s hard to be fixed and lots of them have problems with Lutz too.
About the quad, I think she will land if she wants too, we know how she is, she trains trains trains until she is able to land something, if now the 4S is something that she wants to purchase I think she will get it, but imo I don’t think she needs NOW! Maybe in the next years, but it’s hard to guess since we don’t know how this quad thing in the female camp will go, Sasha is young it’s esay for her now, let’s see what will happen when she complete 15/16 ...., but still is impressive what she did!!
I think consistency is the key word now! Judging by the WC programs, lots of the girls don’t have this much!! And she has, it’s her quality, even Yuzu, Shoma and Orser said that, and I couldn’t see this in the others girls, not even Alina was able to be in WC... for me consistency is really the key word in the next years with this new rules.
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I'm sure Russians are very thankful for Zhenya and all she's done for Russian figure skating on and off the ice. She is an amazing leader as well perhaps even the leading lady of Russian Sports.
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Honestly, judging by the constantly hate she’s getting from some Russians, for no reason at all, I really don’t think they deserves her or are thankful for her!
Yesterday some of her haters was saying that she was using Alina, and she should leave Alina one (when the pics and video of them hanging out dropped)
And yet, the same ones was hating her because she hanged out with Wakaba and Kaori without Alina they’re saying “she leaved Alina alone again. She’s so mean”
So, tell me, 1. What they want from her?! And 2. How this is be thankful?!
It’s alredy annoying, those Alina’s fans!!! I don’t want to fight with anyone but it’s getting hard and hard.
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Who are these haters? Russian internet trolls? They dont matter. Zhenya saved the olympics for Russia. People respect her and not just for being a great figure skater. Shes also fun and sweet. Easy to like.
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https://instagram.com/p/BhGQ_HcHKgi/ On the plane to Yokohama
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zhenya/wakaba/sakamoto
I love this trio
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zhenya/wakaba/sakamoto
I love this trio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzjRtt0JDX4&t=12m47s jgpf conference Sasha said they were roommates. I would like to see that. Zhenya and Sasha sharing one room:luv17
they are so cute and charming)(Sorry for the double post, I think I still do not know how to quote well)
We are not waiting for the 4s tomorrow, obviously I think it's something that takes time, and luckily there are still 4 long years left
Her consistency I do not put in doubt, because still injured the only thing that lost was the first place, never bombed. She overcame her puberty, her mind is strong, so the only and most important thing for her now is to heal completely, and then try the things SHE WANTS.
As @yoloaxel says, all this has been said by Zhenya herself. And she knows that her lutz is not good, that's why a 3ltz-3T seems foolish, Mao Asada could never fix it, and well, Mao opted for 3F-3Lo and 3A. Luckily Zhenya is not an UR bomb.
Learning quads is risky, bigger chance to be injured, more falls and Zhenya isn't 14. 4s after stress fracture doesn't sound smart. we all know that Zhenya is tough and her success is the result of hard work. unfortunatley her body isn't as tough as her mind. no reason to do extra work after injury(she was skating few months with injury) just recover.
Longevity is easier when you are super talented(see Federer) when you must work harder(see Nadal) you also must be smarter and don't do too much.
Zhenya and Eteri are 11 years together, if Zhenya was able to jump quad we would see it one or two year ago. I think Eteri knows the best what Zhenya can and she cares about Zhenya. She invested a lot of feelings in her. Zhenya is 100% Eteri's product.(Eteri has photos of her daughter and zhenya on desk). Most girls in team are just 2-3 years with her. Eteri seems to be very pragmatic: if something works, don't change.
I agree 2a2t2t looks bad(Zhenya's jumps looks worse than last year)So I guess maybe they change that. But no revolution.
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zhenya/wakaba/sakamoto
I love this trio
I love it. they really should do it together during next show. 3 Sailors: Moon, Mars, Mercury
I miss Yuzuru as Tuxedo I guess it is really bad with his ankle.ps. it is crazy that Zhenya and Sasha are female and male names dimunitive
airplane photo. https://sun9-8.userapi.com/c831508/v831508685/c4e96/4zCFiJ_8LRA.jpg
Awww that’s wha she said in that part of the interview?! It was Zhenya who gave to her?? It’s russian so I don’t understand obviously, but if so it’s sjoer cute! No wondering Sasha admires her not just like an athlete but a person
yes, 12:47 Sasha was asked: who gave you that mascot, Yuri on ice blah blah( translator stopped talking): Sasha's voice: this mascot was given to me by Zhenya this year
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzjRtt0JDX4&t=12m47s jgpf conference Sasha said they were roommates. I would like to see that. Zhenya and Sasha sharing one room:luv17
Awww that’s wha she said in that part of the interview?! It was Zhenya who gave to her?? It’s russian so I don’t understand obviously, but if so it’s sjoer cute! No wondering Sasha admires her not just like an athlete but a person
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