Evgenia Medvedeva

[madison]

It's difficult to tell if Zhenya would have won if not the injury.
Historically, the judges proffered the new comers for the win and Alina had a better tech content.

 

[LucyH]

She has to be able to pay for it herself, which is not a small amount at all. If she can, I think she can go.

As for another coach, well look. I have as a whole, no major issues with Eteri. But in a year's time, where will they be? Trusova, Kostornaya, Anna S, Tarakanova, all seniors. Do you really think the Fed won't be pushing for those kids? And Eteri is a Fed coach. Look at how they dropped Zhenya this season, like a hot potato. Once not one, but all of them switch over, do you really think the Fed will care about one Zhenya Medvedeva? They care about medals and 'certain bets'. She will be fighting for spots, never mind anything else. Eteri herself doesn't have the best of views on the longevity of female skaters and how long will she hold on to Zhenya with new blood coming in?

So one of the ways to get around that, or at least try, is to get to a coach who can help her primarily technically and who isn't Fed dependent. She doesn't need Daniil. She can finally go abroad and get choreo from any top choreographer. But technically, someone strong enough in the field to work on her jumps is at this point what she can focus on. (It's kind of a pity Raf is out of the question now because he's good for the jumps, not so good for the rest but that's all right for her current self).

This really is about Zhenya and what her long-term outlook is and I don't see anything good there if she stays with Eteri. She has simply aged out of it, considering their system. But if she wants to jump ship, the time is now, so that she can have at least one season to adjust with only Alina there, before the others come in.
If she stays, she stays, and everything crossed.

As for the rumors and it's never ever happening.
Yeah, and she wasn't injured, and everything was all right and those silly rumors are not true stop it. How did that work out?
It would be highly surprising if these particular rumors are true as it would be very difficult to resolve the two issues I mentioned up there, even if she wants to, but what people say in public is never a reason to go - oh they're not true. They're public figures and nothing should be taken at face value. Difficulties involved with her potential leaving are a far bigger reason to think they're not true.

All good points. Personally I don't think she'll end up leaving because since she'll end up paying for the coaching expenses herself and the Fed has not been known to support (or is it even forbidden?) their skaters going abroad. Jumping technique to get stronger on that Flutz and get stronger tech content without a bunch of 14 year olds breathing down her neck and some great choreo is what (as a fan of hers thinks) she needs. BOrser would be a good fit for her. She would do great with D. Wilson, G. Buttle or S. Bourne choreo and BOrser was a technical BOSS in his hey day. He focuses on the basics and skating skills to build up a foundation to get the jumps and the overall quality of the program. The BOrser team just (at least from the outside) to be a much more caring team than the factory at Sambo. I do worry as a fan of hers that she will eventually get aged out at Eteri's which would be a crying shame because she has so much more to give! I'm not saying that going abroad guarantees success and maybe Team Eteri will prove me wrong but that team and Rus Fed in general doesn't have the best track record the last 8 years with young skating girls. Hoping the best for her...

 

[Sivush]

So, after Zhenya´s injury, the Russian Fed feared if they do not push Alina then they will lose gold?

There is moment in the documentary where people from Fed were watching how Zhenya keep falling on training and their faces were speaking for themselves. They just lose their faith in Zhenya.

 

[Fun Fun Tea]

Anyway, it was her coach who didn't give her what to conquer her rival with, so l will not be surprised if the rumors come true

 

[esteticlove]

There is moment in the documentary where people from Fed were watching how Zhenya keep falling on training and their faces were speaking for themselves. They just lose their faith in Zhenya.

It was so difficult for me to watch this part. You are right, everything was written on their faces. I can't say what it could have been, if there there had been no injury. One thing I wish is that the team incorporates some working with a sports psychologist. I support most of Eteri's methods, she knows how to bring up the best in her skaters and to make them consistent. She is the one who talks with them and also plays "mother" because they spend so much time together. But from the documentary, I could feel that Med was kind of left out or more like she didn't receive the right help she needed. It was a big fight, not against Alina, but mostly in her head with her thoughts and doubts.

 

[1critic]

She's never seen a sports psych.

 

[Sugar Coated]

Zhenya has no obligation to dismiss the rumors. I’m saying a part of me will believe them until that time. Look at Yulia. Eteri has a tendency to focus on up and coming talent, and there is plenty of it. Zhenya won’t be able to get the same kind of attention anymore from Eteri. And Zhenya must be questioning whether their staff really created the best program for the reigning world champ to succeed.

I’m not a skater but I trained under coaches like Eteri. I predict she will start to pour her energy into her new “star.” And I suspect it will be one of the juniors, maybe Sasha, who she can mold for the next Olympic season.

 

[1critic]

Zhenya has no obligation to dismiss the rumors. I’m saying a part of me will believe them until that time. Look at Yulia. Eteri has a tendency to focus on up and coming talent, and there is plenty of it. Zhenya won’t be able to get the same kind of attention anymore from Eteri. And Zhenya must be questioning whether their staff really created the best program for the reigning world champ to succeed.

I’m not a skater but I trained under coaches like Eteri. I predict she will start to pour her energy into her new “star.” And I suspect it will be one of the juniors, maybe Sasha, who she can mold for the next Olympic season.

That was depressing on several levels.

 

[Sivush]

I’m not a skater but I trained under coaches like Eteri. I predict she will start to pour her energy into her new “star.” And I suspect it will be one of the juniors, maybe Sasha, who she can mold for the next Olympic season.

No, Eteri's group is known for that there are no prima donnas here. And till this time it was so. It is more effective strategy invest not only in one, but in many girls as possible.

 

[50 Words for Snow]

Maybe people forget that Evgenia is still recovering from injury, so it's better for her to have a well-deserved rest and fully heal her foot.

Yeah, I think that's what's most likely. I mean, it's possible that she's looking for a new coach or has already found one, but both Zhenya and Eteri have said that she's staying, and she is hurt, and she needs a rest, and this is the perfect time for it. The more obvious answer is that she's staying and she's simply on a well-deserved vacation right now.

Basically.
They wanted that gold and weren't sure Zhenya would be able to get there so switched to pushing Alina's PCS.

What do you mean by this? I'm new to skating and keep seeing statements like this about the Fed pushing one skater or another, and I do not understand what it means.

 

[Sivush]

From what I've seen in Russian social media it is rather possible not to be the simple rumor this time. Anyway everything will be clear in two weeks, let's just hope Zhenya will make wise choice.

 

[madison]

From what I've seen in Russian social media it is rather possible not to be the simple rumor this time. Anyway everything will be clear in two weeks, let's just hope Zhenya will make wise choice.

What do you mean? What is it written?

 

[dante]

@dante great to see you back. Did you manage to see Zhenya live in person?

Thanks! No, I live in Saint Petersburg since February, so now maybe only in some competition.

These conspiracy theories are just ridiculous. The Fed wanted the gold and the silver, and they got them. Eteri wanted the same and she got it too. She's not stupid and she understands that she needs to learn how to keep the girls in shape in their 20s, to learn from her own mistakes.

 

[Yatagarasu]

All good points. Personally I don't think she'll end up leaving because since she'll end up paying for the coaching expenses herself and the Fed has not been known to support (or is it even forbidden?) their skaters going abroad. Jumping technique to get stronger on that Flutz and get stronger tech content without a bunch of 14 year olds breathing down her neck and some great choreo is what (as a fan of hers thinks) she needs. BOrser would be a good fit for her. She would do great with D. Wilson, G. Buttle or S. Bourne choreo and BOrser was a technical BOSS in his hey day. He focuses on the basics and skating skills to build up a foundation to get the jumps and the overall quality of the program. The BOrser team just (at least from the outside) to be a much more caring team than the factory at Sambo. I do worry as a fan of hers that she will eventually get aged out at Eteri's which would be a crying shame because she has so much more to give! I'm not saying that going abroad guarantees success and maybe Team Eteri will prove me wrong but that team and Rus Fed in general doesn't have the best track record the last 8 years with young skating girls. Hoping the best for her...

Honestly, at this point, I actually think where to go is a bigger issue than paying for it. She's had some great opportunities lately and it just might be possible she could come up with the money. But go where? Raf is booked solid, Tom Z is an option but I'd not like her there, Ravi has Kaetlyn which yes, leaves Orser. But there were rumors (and yes, yes but again, there's a difference between on a poster from a board and certain other things) about Wakaba going there. At the moment all of those are quiet so that may or may not have fizzled out. If it hasn't, it'd be tough to ask Orser to accept both, if it has, then I guess there is room, in theory.

But would Orser say yes? Because while there potential benefits for her, Orser and Tracy also have to think of the club and how it may potentially be beneficial for it/them and what the cons are. He's definitely someone who could work on her jumps and as a club as a whole promotes the overall package as the ideal for skaters. At the same time, they've had their ups and downs too, and especially in the ladies field. I think she would definitely benefit from the experience they had with Yuna but even more so with Hanyu, in terms of handling pressure and occasions such as injury/Olympics. There's no guaranteed success of course, as you say, even if they said yes to her, but on the other hand, if you don't risk it .... and I fear she has already aged out of Eteri's but in a year, will definitely be over the hill for them. Then what?

What do you mean by this? I'm new to skating and keep seeing statements like this about the Fed pushing one skater or another, and I do not understand what it means.

All Feds lobby for their skaters, especially chosen skaters.
This isn't a Russian thing, it's very much universal. In this case, you could say they lobbied/pushed Alina's PCS so that by the time Olympics came, her PCS was already way, way up and her victory was pretty much guaranteed, which is what happened.

This is why Zhenya lost. Yes, Alina has her technical side but Zhenya lost because of the PCS, not TES.

 

[Yatagarasu]

From what I've seen in Russian social media it is rather possible not to be the simple rumor this time. Anyway everything will be clear in two weeks, let's just hope Zhenya will make wise choice.

Hmm, I have a different date but yes, in any case. One way or another, this will be cleared up soon enough because whether she stays or goes, she has to make the choice now, and then resume training for next season, no matter what she decides.

 

[Sugar Coated]

No, Eteri's group is known for that there are no prima donnas here. And till this time it was so. It is more effective strategy invest not only in one, but in many girls as possible.

Can you honestly say that Eteri didn’t focus on Zhenya this season? That doesn’t make her a prima donna, just that she was her main focus. I mean look at the kiss and cry’s. She is always there with evgenia and that’s not so for the other skaters.

Her strategy has been to train many juniors but when they become seniors focus her energy on those she sees with the most potential.

 

[Sivush]

What do you mean? What is it written?

It is not written. I'd prefer not to elaborate it since it is nothing real now. It is just my intuition from quite strange behavior of some important users and groups.

 

[Yatagarasu]

These conspiracy theories are just ridiculous. The Fed wanted the gold and the silver, and they got them. Eteri wanted the same and she got it too.

Oh the Fed got their gold all right.

And Eteri got her gold.

What did Zhenya get again?

And no, please don't start with the silver is great because if you think Zhenya is happy with that, I've got this fantastic bridge to sell you. Cheap too.

 

[50 Words for Snow]

All Feds lobby for their skaters, especially chosen skaters.
This isn't a Russian thing, it's very much universal. In this case, you could say they lobbied/pushed Alina's PCS so that by the time Olympics came, her PCS was already way, way up and her victory was pretty much guaranteed, which is what happened.

This is why Zhenya lost. Yes, Alina has her technical side but Zhenya lost because of the PCS, not TES.

What do you mean by lobby? The judges score what they see, don't they? They don't artificially inflate a skater's scores because the skater's nation asked them to, right?

 

[Sivush]

Can you honestly say that Eteri didn’t focus on Zhenya this season? That doesn’t make her a prima donna, just that she was her main focus. I mean look at the kiss and cry’s. She is always there with evgenia and that’s not so for the other skaters.

Her strategy has been to train many juniors but when they become seniors focus her energy on those she sees with the most potential.

I think there no use in reading face from such intrinsicate person as Eteri, she is the excellent coach for young girls and choose for every girl the best approach which brings the best results on competitions. If look on real facts the interests of Alina were never violated because of Zhenya. She gained the winning Olymic programs and was brought to the most important starts on her top form.
On the hand Zhenya got the weak first free program from what the series of unfortunate events were started so...