Evgenia Medvedeva

[charlotte14]

I know the first reaction when someone changes coaches is Orser in this forum. But I've been thinking.. isn't it more or at least equally likely that she might choose to train with Plushenko? He is a skating legend in Russia and does not yet have a champion skater in his camp, so Evgenia would still be treated as the leader. Plushenko is a lot of things but he was an impressive jumper in his prime and you can't beat the Mishin school of training when it comes to jump technique. She does not need to leave her home country and can still maintain support from her federation, which may be in jeopardy if she trains abroad with a non-Russian coach. Even the Yuzuru connection holds strong. Plushenko is his biggest idol after all.

This girl means business. Plushenko doesn’t have enough coaching experience to help her with what she needs.

 

[skatingfan200]

https://twitter.com/olyphil/status/992802732108115968
Ermolina said Medvedeva expected back from vacation Monday.

 

[Yatagarasu]

But I've been thinking.. isn't it more or at least equally likely that she might choose to train with Plushenko?

If she wants her career to die, sure. And I'm pretty certain that is not what she wants so no, Plushenko isn't an option.

An untested coach who has pretty much done nothing, who is massively tied up with ice shows vs coach of multiple OGM winner, multiple Worlds, multiple Euros, multiple GPFs?

It's not even a question really.

 

[flanker]

Well, one idea came to my mind. Remember how she said that she feels like Anna karenina now? That she represents women for her? Anna Karenina chose leaving husband and even child (not to mention safety, rank in society etc.) for desire (it's a question if that was love). She invested everything into that choice. If that is what inspired her, I hope that this time it will have better ending.

 

[charlotte14]

To be honest this sounds like uphill battle for her. Russian fed will soon find other younger ladies and among so many of them there will be around 3-6 girls who will be consistent each season. She couldn’t stay there with Eteri but even moving to a different coach couldn’t help her if the younger girls are too strong.

 

[Ballade88]

If she wants her career to die, sure. And I'm pretty certain that is not what she wants so no, Plushenko isn't an option.

An untested coach who has pretty much done nothing, who is massively tied up with ice shows vs coach of multiple OGM winner, multiple Worlds, multiple Euros, multiple GPFs?

It's not even a question really.

People seem to forget Brian Orser was once an untested coach with very little experience when he first became the coach of Yuna Kim. You've got to start somewhere.
A coach's experiences or accomplishments is only one factor and does not guarantee success. A decade ago, Frank Caroll and TAT were seen as the best due to their past successes. Time changes, rules change. Not saying Plushenko is a guaranteed success, but I think he has potential to be a great coach, especially in teaching jumps.

 

[tha]

Evgenia really didn't have to much options, if she stayed with Eteri, yeah sure, she was going to medal this season and maybe the next one but probably not as a champion now with Alina in the picture. But when the juniors become seniors then what?
That's why this choice is so risky and brave, she left a path of comfort and short-therm success to search for something more, independently of who her new coach is.
Will she make it? Who knows honestly, we saw at the olympics that nothing is predictable.
At the 2017 worlds press conference, the last question was about Evgenia being the favorite to win OGM and she said "you never know what can happen tomorrow" and how true she was.
She really went go hard or go home . And that's why she is my favorite.

 

[Yatagarasu]

People seem to forget Brian Orser was once an untested coach with very little experience when he first became the coach of Yuna Kim. You've got to start somewhere.
A coach's experiences or accomplishments is only one factor and does not guarantee success. A decade ago, Frank Caroll and TAT were seen as the best due to their past successes. Time changes, rules change. Not saying Plushenko is a guaranteed success, but I think he has potential to be a great coach, especially in teaching jumps.

I don't think I'll ever get this idea that Zhenya needs to be someone's guinea pig. First it was Eteri, now it is Plushenko. Zhenya comes first to Zhenya.

She is an established athlete, a champion in her own right, who is at a very precarious position in her career. No, someone who still only has "potential" is simply not good enough. She has the one shot at this, that's it. Why on earth not choose someone who's been there, in multiple ways, compared to someone who only has "potential"?

 

[Fluture]

Okay, so, that‘s big news. Like, really, really big news. I‘m honest if I say that I never expected this. Not with the relationship she and Eteri seemed to have. But yet, Zhenya is strong. And a fierce competitor. She knows what she wants and does what she needs to to achieve her goals. And this is obviously a big change, but it was needed anyway. A fresh start after a difficult season, somebody new to work with and a serious attempt at the 2022 Olympic Games!

I‘m both scared and happy. It‘s just so Zhenya! Such a bold move. But we all know she‘s clever and strong so it‘ll probably work out. Good luck to Evgenia Medvedeva, Girl of Fire and Steel on Ice!

 

[Ophelia]

I don't think I'll ever get this idea that Zhenya needs to be someone's guinea pig. First it was Eteri, now it is Plushenko. Zhenya comes first to Zhenya.

She is an established athlete, a champion in her own right, who is at a very precarious position in her career. No, someone who still only has "potential" is simply not good enough. She has the one shot at this, that's it. Why on earth not choose someone who's been there, in multiple ways, compared to someone who only has "potential"?

All of this.

Logical reasoning seems to be outside the door for many posters.

 

[Kelti]

People seem to forget Brian Orser was once an untested coach with very little experience when he first became the coach of Yuna Kim. You've got to start somewhere.
A coach's experiences or accomplishments is only one factor and does not guarantee success. A decade ago, Frank Caroll and TAT were seen as the best due to their past successes. Time changes, rules change. Not saying Plushenko is a guaranteed success, but I think he has potential to be a great coach, especially in teaching jumps.

Isn’t Plushenko’s schedule packed with ice shows until the end of summer? If Zhenya wants to improve on her jumping techniques and explore new performance styles, perhaps she would prefer a coach that can devote more time to her over the course of summer.

It is not to say Orser is the only viable choice, however going to Plushenko doesn’t seem like the most ideal situation due to all his show commitments.

 

[flanker]

I don't think I'll ever get this idea that Zhenya needs to be someone's guinea pig. First it was Eteri, now it is Plushenko. Zhenya comes first to Zhenya.

She is an established athlete, a champion in her own right, who is at a very precarious position in her career. No, someone who still only has "potential" is simply not good enough. She has the one shot at this, that's it. Why on earth not choose someone who's been there, in multiple ways, compared to someone who only has "potential"?

For me there is a problem that i see Orser as someone who has the potential at best. Really, one lady skater who won gold eight years ago is not enough for me calling him "good enough". He maybe has Yuzuru, but what in the field of ladies skaters could his whorshippers present as his unquestionable and stable succes since that? One worlds bronze? Is that what prevents even questioning him being a guarantee of success?

Yes, if Zhenya really decided for him, it's her decision and I wish ner luck. But that does not mean that I somehow would see that as assured progress.

The other thing is I really consider it wrong saying Zhenya was Eteri's guinea pig. And all that speaking about Eteri as there were no results, no work, no credit of her, as if there was no benefit for Zhenya, as if she weren't two times world champion and all the other success. Yes, many people is insanely happy, I wish that to them, but they should not forget what path led to Zhenya's greatness.

 

[Ophelia]

^who is a better choice than Orser?

 

[chopinskate]

People think she should go to Plushenko? Why?

Orser makes most sense. I wasn't sure if she'd get him, and I'm not sure what their plan will be if they do get together, but if she has to choose and there is a choice, then it's Orser. Doesn't matter Yuna's win was 8 or 20 years ago.

 

[Yatagarasu]

For me there is a problem that i see Orser as someone who has the potential at best.

I mean, what does one even say?

 

[charlotte14]

Orser isn’t going to fix her technical issue with the Lutz and toe loop in a season. But if she really commits to it she might improve them. She isn’t someone who lacks determination. And well, she’s going to train along side the best technician if the rumor is true.

 

[chopinskate]

But no one can fix those issues in a season! I don't even think Hanyu factors in here, what will he do to teach her? He has his own training. She needs a relocation, and if she has the choice to go to Orser, then she probably should.

 

[Yatagarasu]

But no one can fix those issues in a season! I don't even think Hanyu factors in here, what will he do to teach her? He has his own training. She needs a relocation, and if she has the choice to go to Orser, then she probably should.

Hanyu can factor in the sense that she can have a live demonstration of a pure Lz technique for example while Ghislain is next to her, and working with her. It can help. Then the king of Axels Brian and the Emperor of Axels Hanyu to again watch and try and work with hers. It is beneficial.

Zhenya is obviously thinking long-term. Nothing can be done in a season, and especially not now, considering her injury. You don't go to Brian unless you are prepared that these things take time. It's how Brian works, from the ground up.

 

[chopinskate]

Hanyu can factor in the sense that she can have a live demonstration of a pure Lz technique for example while Ghislain is next to her, and working with her. It can help. Then the king of Axels Brian and the Emperor of Axels Hanyu to again watch and try and work with hers. It is beneficial.

I mean, sure, that is beneficial, but demonstrations of those things don't necessarily have to be with Orser. Pure lutz technique and axel technique can be demonstrated by more, and can be studied on video. Fixing those things isn't a matter of just studying them, or training alongside someone who does them right, Zagitova had an outside edge on her lutz. Of course it will help, and training alongside Hanyu absolutely must be a great experience, just that going to Orser won't have this advantage primarily (and I also don't know how the training times work here). I agree she's thinking in the long term, which is why Orser is where she should probably go (I wrote "no one can fix them in a season" in response to Orser not being able to fix things in a season -- of course he can't!).

 

[Yatagarasu]

I mean, sure, that is beneficial, but demonstrations of those things don't necessarily have to be with Orser.

Well, you won't get Hanyu anywhere else and you asked how Hanyu factors here. As charlotte mentioned, she gets to train alongside the best technician plus with a coach who is great at jumps at a club that has a great jump coach. I mean it is all beneficial. She can ask all of them, even Hanyu outside of sessions, for pointers.

Yes, of course you don't fix it by just watching. I mean come on but never mind