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^ If she makes it to Oregon, I want her to call me -- I'll show her around PDX lol.
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Evgenia Medvedeva
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I'll join! <3 Portland is a lot of fun to live and visit.
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Yes, I think so.
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Who was the decison maker for the layout?
No upper body movement=higher GOE? I doubt it. I mean, I could now post some gifs/pics from girls who recieved +4/+5 GOE but this is probably not the rightful thread.
Why not this season? If she qualify for the GPF, I would risk something.
Yeah, maybe then, you‘re right. She has nothing to lose anyway if she‘s in the GPF. If she doesn‘t up her technical content Alina, Liza and Rika are ready to beat her. If she does there are two possibilities:
1) she succumbs to pressure and loses anyway
2) she delivers the content and gets a medal
I‘m for possibility two.
But before GPF we have to focus on even getting there. Which means France next week. Already! Time flies omg :eeking:
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Okay that would explain why every hates her haha!
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Why so pessimistic?
Even with the current layout, she can score high (over 220 points with the current PCS) and is competitive.
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I'd love to see how everyone adds up what they think Zhenya's scoring potential is. By my math with the current layout, how the judges have acted so far, and what I know she can do I am getting a max total of 215, 75 for the short and 150 for the long at max. What does everyone else think?
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150+75=225
Wouldn't you say that with a (truly) clean skate, her max SP score should be higher? She had a ! on her 3L, step out on the 2A and StSq3 during her Autumn Classic SP, and still scored 70.98 (TES 36.78 and PCS 34.2).
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Let's say... shes goes clean in her short program at france.
At ACI, her 3Lz! was 6.02 points. At SCI it got 6.15. So let's just say she'll get 6.10 for the lutz at IDF.
At SCI, her clean double axel got 4.10 points. This score is consistent with the ones she got in her free skate. So let's say 4.10 for the axel.
At ACI, her combo got 11.83 in the short. In the long it got 11.83 too. In the long at SCI it got 11.96. Let's give it a 11.90 for the combo
For the jumps so far, we have:
6.10 for the Lutz
4.10 for the axel
11.90 for the combo
TOTAL: 22.1 for jumps only
Spins (assuming they're all level four) and Step sequence (level 3)
CSp4 at ACI was 3.28 points, 3.31 points at SCI. Let's give it a 3.30 for both.
FSSp4 spin at ACI got 3.90. She only got a level 2 on that at SCI, we will ignore that. So 3.90
CCoSp4 spin at ACI got 4.62, at SCI 4.65. Let's just give it a 4.64
Step sequence at ACI got 4.42, at SCI it got 4.38. Let's say 4.40 total
3.30
3.90
4.64
4.40
TOTAL: 16.24
16. 24
22. 1
TOTAL TECH: 38.34
COMPONENTS:
34.20 at ACI
34.33 at ACI
I imagine if she goes clean they will be a tad higher, so I'll give it a 34.5
38.34
34.5
TOTAL SHORT PROGRAM: 72.84
Keep in mind that could be much higher. For example, if she gets a level 4 on her step sequence. If she gets higher GOE's. And who knows, we haven't seen a clean short program yet. Her PCS could go all the way up to 36 if she is clean.
Realistic score - 73
Achievable score - 75
Also if she does 3f-3lo, that score would fly up.
wow that took a long time
Edit: As I wait for dinner to finish I'll breakdown what a clean free program would be.
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It depends mostly on PCS and how the judges score her when she is clean. Without PCS rise, I think 75-76 points is the max SP score.
Edit:
At ACI her 2A got 2,71. SCI=4,1 points. So let´s say 2A=+1,4 points from the ACI score
I compared her spin-score from last seson (assuming she will go back to LSp4)
She recieved 3,99 points. +0,7 points from the ACI score
Hmm, why does she not do anymore FCSp4? Anyway, she scored at European 2018 4,2 points and I assuming, she will go to the max. Spin BV. +0,3 points from the ACI score
Ok, is the same than last season.
Assuming Level 4 with the score from SCI (FS)= 5,24 + 0,8 points from he ACI score
So ACI points 70,98 +1,4 (2A)+ 1 (Spins) + 0,8 Step seq. = 74,18 points + @Novice Fan ask for a truly clean skate. So let´s say clean 3lz = +1,2 points=75,38
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Clean free skate at France, potential scores:
I am mixing the two layouts for this as follows
3lz+2t+2t
2a
3f
2a
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3f+3t
3s+3t
3lo
JUMPS:
3Lz+2t+2t at SCI got 9.17, we will stick with that.
2a (first) at SCI got 4.10, same as the short. For this season I will stick with that number.
3f - I changed this from the second lutz that got an e. I am going to take some creative liberty here and say that it will get +1 points in goe, so 6.30 points
2a (second) again, at SCI it was 4.05 and the other two were 4.10. Very consistent scoring for it, so I will say a 4.05
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3f+3t as I already compared in the other post, I will give it a 11.90
3s+3t at ACI was 10.81 and SCI was 10.39. Let’s just give it a 10.60
3lo is hard. One fall, one UR. I am going to guess again and say a clean one +1 goe point is 6.40 (I made a mistake here and forgot to calculate the bonus)
9.17
4.10
6.30
4.05
11.90
10.60
6.40
TOTAL JUMP SCORE: 52.52
Spins (assuming level four) and step sequence (assuming level four) and Choreo sequence
FCSp4 at SCI got 3.89, at ACI 3.97. Let’s give it a 3.93
FCCoSp4 - she’s messed this up at both comps so we will get creative again and add a point for goe, so total 4.50 points
CCosp4 at ACI got 4.90. This spin got a lvl3 at SCI so we will toss that out
Step sequence 4 at SCI got 5.24, we will keep that
Choreographic sequence at SCI got 4.50, at ACI it got 4.60. Let’s say 4.55
3.93
4.50
4.90
5.24
4.55
TOTAL SPIN/SEQUENCES: 23.12
23.12
52.52
TOTAL TECH: 75.64
(A more realistic tech score would be 77 as I only gave +1 point of GOE to the flip, loop, and spin when she can obviously get more)
Components:
ACI - 69.28
SCI - 70.56
I am gonna take another creative liberty here and jump another point to 71.56 if she is clean
75.64
71.56
TOTAL LONG PROGRAM SCORE: 147.2
TOTAL COMPETITION SCORE (with the calculation from my last post)
72.84 + 147.2 = 220.04 points, six points clear of Kaori’s total (I think) and enough to win the tiebreaker and make the GPF.
As I said, she could get much more than this depending on PCS and her GOE’s. Also, she has to go clean or she won’t make the final. Also, she really needs all her spins at level four. I beg her team to make sure of this.
Alas, with these current layouts her potential short program will be 75 points and the long will be around 150. That is if her PCS rises. If she starts adding loop combos however, that is a different story.
I am mixing the two layouts for this as follows
3lz+2t+2t
2a
3f
2a
-
3f+3t
3s+3t
3lo
JUMPS:
3Lz+2t+2t at SCI got 9.17, we will stick with that.
2a (first) at SCI got 4.10, same as the short. For this season I will stick with that number.
3f - I changed this from the second lutz that got an e. I am going to take some creative liberty here and say that it will get +1 points in goe, so 6.30 points
2a (second) again, at SCI it was 4.05 and the other two were 4.10. Very consistent scoring for it, so I will say a 4.05
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3f+3t as I already compared in the other post, I will give it a 11.90
3s+3t at ACI was 10.81 and SCI was 10.39. Let’s just give it a 10.60
3lo is hard. One fall, one UR. I am going to guess again and say a clean one +1 goe point is 6.40 (I made a mistake here and forgot to calculate the bonus)
9.17
4.10
6.30
4.05
11.90
10.60
6.40
TOTAL JUMP SCORE: 52.52
Spins (assuming level four) and step sequence (assuming level four) and Choreo sequence
FCSp4 at SCI got 3.89, at ACI 3.97. Let’s give it a 3.93
FCCoSp4 - she’s messed this up at both comps so we will get creative again and add a point for goe, so total 4.50 points
CCosp4 at ACI got 4.90. This spin got a lvl3 at SCI so we will toss that out
Step sequence 4 at SCI got 5.24, we will keep that
Choreographic sequence at SCI got 4.50, at ACI it got 4.60. Let’s say 4.55
3.93
4.50
4.90
5.24
4.55
TOTAL SPIN/SEQUENCES: 23.12
23.12
52.52
TOTAL TECH: 75.64
(A more realistic tech score would be 77 as I only gave +1 point of GOE to the flip, loop, and spin when she can obviously get more)
Components:
ACI - 69.28
SCI - 70.56
I am gonna take another creative liberty here and jump another point to 71.56 if she is clean
75.64
71.56
TOTAL LONG PROGRAM SCORE: 147.2
TOTAL COMPETITION SCORE (with the calculation from my last post)
72.84 + 147.2 = 220.04 points, six points clear of Kaori’s total (I think) and enough to win the tiebreaker and make the GPF.
As I said, she could get much more than this depending on PCS and her GOE’s. Also, she has to go clean or she won’t make the final. Also, she really needs all her spins at level four. I beg her team to make sure of this.
Alas, with these current layouts her potential short program will be 75 points and the long will be around 150. That is if her PCS rises. If she starts adding loop combos however, that is a different story.
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What needs to happen so all the spins are level four? Less traveling, enough revolutions? I think it was said that the exclusion of a layback has not contributed to lower levels on spins?
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she has to hit the spin features. from what i understand it's mostly about getting enough revolutions in each position to earn the level. travelling reduces GOE http://the-real-xmonster.tumblr.com/post/162534768779/spins-explained
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Oooooo, one week? Are we ready?
*puts quarter in Grand Prix Skate Fighter/Mortal Kombat game*
SELECT SKATER
*selects Tsarina*
Excellent
ROUND TWO.....
SKATE!!!!!
(While skating) perfect. Youuuuu can! Spin BOOM!
FINISH THEM!!!!!
*performs signature Janny boitano leap triple combo move landing with sailor moon signature hand gesture*
Flawless Victory.
Go Zhenya!!!!
*puts quarter in Grand Prix Skate Fighter/Mortal Kombat game*
SELECT SKATER
*selects Tsarina*
Excellent
ROUND TWO.....
SKATE!!!!!
(While skating) perfect. Youuuuu can! Spin BOOM!
FINISH THEM!!!!!
*performs signature Janny boitano leap triple combo move landing with sailor moon signature hand gesture*
Flawless Victory.
Go Zhenya!!!!
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Oooooo, one week? Are we ready?
*puts quarter in Grand Prix Skate Fighter/Mortal Kombat game*
SELECT SKATER
*selects Tsarina*
Excellent
ROUND TWO.....
SKATE!!!!!
(While skating) perfect. Youuuuu can! Spin BOOM!
FINISH THEM!!!!!
*performs signature Janny boitano leap triple combo move landing with sailor moon signature hand gesture*
Flawless Victory.
Go Zhenya!!!!
This made my day/night. Thank you ��
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150+75=225
Whoops I typed 65 when I was doing the math.
The numbers I gave were also what I think is her max this season assuming her layout stays the exact as it was at SCI. I agree with everything that has been said, I am just thinking they are not going to take out the second lutz, and in my opinion the PCS doesn't seem to be climbing as fast this season. So I worry/think we can't count on a PCS increase just yet. Although I have not studied all the protocols, I could be wrong.
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Not pessimistic - realistic. I mean, all three of them have layouts that outscore Zhenya‘s. And she isn‘t getting any bonuses this year. (Like uncalled lutz edge) If the three of them are clean... I just can‘t see how she can beat them. Maybe Liza, I guess. She would have beaten her in Canada, too, if not for the SP. But Alina and Rika are out of reach technically. I think she knows this. I‘m not saying she isn‘t competitive, just that it isn‘t as easy as it was last year. She’s strong and can do it but some things have changed. For now I‘d rather focus on France, though. It will be a very important step. Then we can think of GPF.
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There is a rumor that TAT and Brian went to eat together after the men’s FS practice at Rostelecom. TAT may have a LOT of opinions but she is fiercely loyal and Evgenia will need that support if she doesn’t make the GPF because there has been some...interesting and wrong opinions from Rusfed and other figureheads since she got bronze.
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