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This tells me that they have made some progress with the lutz. She does not want to be known as a flutzer. I commend them for that. Also they want to do combos down the road.
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This tells me that they have made some progress with the lutz. She does not want to be known as a flutzer. I commend them for that. Also they want to do combos down the road.
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I guess they are determined to fix it, no matter how many edge calls it takes.
I can respect that, even if I scratch my head a little. Still, she has shown improvement with it, and she should keep getting better and better at it, so eventually, that jump should become a strength. Eventually, her "weak" spots will still be strengths!
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Unless she's jumping a true Lutz in practice (and she wasn't at Skate Canada) then it's not smart to put 3 in. They know it's wrong and she's going to get dinged... so frustrating
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Also, no layback spin....
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Even with calls like she got in Canada, if she doesn't blow the 10-point combo in the SP, she's at 207, and she lost at least two more points on the spins and steps, which are easy fixes. She can do those. That would put her at 209 if she's clean (aside from edge calls) on both, and that should get her into the GPF.
They are on a 4-year program, and if she's going to achieve her goal and win gold in Beijing, then she's going to need all the points she can get, especially if there are quad jumpers at those games. They are probably right to address the lutz relentlessly, early and often, even though it is frustrating to get the calls.
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They're probably taking it slow with her back. The season is not over after IdF, no matter what happens there. She has time to resume the layback spin. We know she can do it, so it's surely a health matter at this point.
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We haven't even seen her jump it correctly in practice, so there's no incentive to put 3 in her programs. She's not going to magically jump from the right edge in competition if she's not even doing it in practice. They're calling her Lutz this year. It's ONLY a negative to include 3 right now. She can keep training it but 3 in competition is excessive and counterproductive.
I'm on board for everything Zhenya and Orser are doing this year, and will continue to support her, but this is something I can't understand. Nothing positive comes from her doing 3...
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We've seen her jump an improved lutz in practice though, and Brian has said that she has jumped correct lutzes in practice, so at this point, it is a matter of burning it into muscle memory to the point that she relies on the new, corrected technique under pressure instead of reverting to her old habits, so yes, something positive comes from the repetition. It also sends a statement to the ISU and RusFed that she is determined to improve; she is putting her money where her mouth is, so to speak, and that may pay subtle dividends down the road as her Fed begins to see the improvements.
Besides, she can make the GPF with this layout, even with edge calls on the lutzes, so it is NOT only a negative. It does not destroy her chances at the final, and the goal is not to win IdF but to win the Olympics, and when seen in that context, the sooner she fixes her lutz, the better, so she might as well hammer it home right now.
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Oh for sure, she can change the layout at any time, and she may well do that. We might see the 2A3Lo that TSL hinted at, and/or we might see a layback, or who knows what.
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I am sleeping better knowing there are three lutzes vs a double axel loop combo actually! There has been a month almost since SCI. Maybe there has been further progress. Excited to wake up tomorrow to some practice videos.
She NEEDs to have her lutz in the long-term, so might as well do it now through sheer brute force, when she can still lose points on it. Putting it off won't solve the problem quicker.
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Reminder that many skaters don't actually update these lists between competition guys. Since everything looks exactly the same as at Skate Canada, we really have no idea if this is her actual plan or not. We need to see what she's doing it practice.
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3 lutzes, huh? I understand the reasoning, I get that it's a choice Zhenya makes with the future in mind, but it makes me nervous. If she gets !, she can still end up with positive GOE, but if she gets 'e', especially on more than one, she stands to lose an uncomfortable amount of base value...
This layout makes me nervous, but I guess if Zhenya feels fine doing this she's brave enough that I shouldn't worry so much...
This layout makes me nervous, but I guess if Zhenya feels fine doing this she's brave enough that I shouldn't worry so much...
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Thinking about the SP... she can't actually replace the 3Lz with a 3L, and basically do her Olympics layout with 3F-3T, 3Lo, 2A because the loop is an uncomfortable jump for her right now. If we take the 3Lz and the 3L out of considerations there are only 2 likely options: 3F-3T, 3S, 2A or 3S-3T, 3F, 2A. How would the BV for those layouts look like? And would they be higher in comparison to her 3Lz(e), 3F-3T, 2A ?
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I think, if have Zhenya will good scores in SP, it may well to leave two 3Lz in LP.
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The two lutzes don't sit well with me, because if she gets the edge calls she cannot afford any other mistakes. Not in a field this packed. Maybe she's jumping with a better edge in practice, but in competition it's so easy to fall back to old habits. In my opinion it's not worth the risks, not here. Maybe at Rusnats.
I am crossing my fingers for this layout
3lz-2t-2t
2a
3lo
2a
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3f-3t
3s-3t
3f
No, it's not the highest base value she can potentially have. But it's safe and guarantees her at least a silver if she's clean. This isn't the time to experiment with loop combos or an extra lutz. She just needs to get to the final. Then go all out. Maybe we are worrying for nothing, because I am pretty sure there will be layout changes.
I am crossing my fingers for this layout
3lz-2t-2t
2a
3lo
2a
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3f-3t
3s-3t
3f
No, it's not the highest base value she can potentially have. But it's safe and guarantees her at least a silver if she's clean. This isn't the time to experiment with loop combos or an extra lutz. She just needs to get to the final. Then go all out. Maybe we are worrying for nothing, because I am pretty sure there will be layout changes.
You're asking for Rika to fall on at least two triple axels when making that statement about winning. Rika hit 224 with a 3A fall. Evgenia's SP tanking probably cost her 10 points, maybe 15. And her first GP score is 27 points away from Rika, still 12 points behind if she doesn't bomb SP. I can't imagine her making up 12 points of a gap unless Rika bombs another 3A, or just collapses.
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