Evgenia Medvedeva

[starla16]

I'm frustrated- not at her or her coaches, but people who are so impatient with everything and expect a quick fix. Like it or not, fixing jump technique, breaking bad habits is going to take a long time. Not just her jumps, but she's also changing her eating habits, working on SS (no easy feat either), all in a new environment. We're not used to Evgenia not winning everything and, gasp, struggling, but it's inevitable when you commit to improving your skating like she's commendably done.

but she doesnt have much time left !!! that's why people are impatient

Tuk , Zagitova, Samodurova are there
so are juniors breathing into seniors soon Trusova, Kostornaia, Scherbakova, Tarakanova

 

[lastremnant]

Relax. I agree that she needs to ignore the press and most social media (not us of course *cough cough*). But in seriousness this is a learning year for her, a transition year, and one thing will be learning about pressure. Also, losing is the best teacher in the world. This will make her a stronger skater believe it or not. Things will get better. It will be humbling and strengthening for her. She needs to just go back and train for nationals. Although I do wish she would perform some ex type programs before then in front of crowds. It will help melt the ice (pun intended) of any nerves or pressures.

 

[kimi492]

Just popped by to say - the end of the world rhetoric is exhausting. The Eteri worship is also trite and ridiculous. Their relationship is obviously over, and going back would do nothing for her now that she is grown tbh. Brian and Evgenia have not been together for very long at all so also calling for her to leave Brian is premature and short-sighted IMO. Her mistakes today seemed mental - I think it might be wise to invest in a sports psychologist for her, because in practice she looked perfectly fine and relaxed. But again, it’s not the end and the fact we are even discussing this is ridiculous - I’m sure certain media outlets and internet posters will enjoy pushing that narrative but that doesn’t make it reality. I’m sure Brian and Evgenia will look at what went wrong and move forward to better things.

 

[Coryocris]

Ok I’m sad and angry but mostly angry. Not at Zhenya, at TCC team.

1. Butchered spins AGAIN. In both programs. I don’t know if spins specialist didn’t read new guidelines from ISU but it’s third competition that it occurs and those are just points left on the table.

2. I also saw that in the middle of the program she looked like she already gave up and it never happened before. Usually she laughed off her mistakes and tried to return to her fighting mindset. It didn’t happen here when it was the most important. Apparently TCC sport psychologist is doing pretty awful job in her case

Evgenia doesn’t have 2-3 years to establish new technique like Javier or Jun. She doesn’t even have 2 months before RusNats. I’m angry and I’m worried because I don’t want to feel the same regret as when Mao retired.

Oh, shut up! Of course she has the time. Look at Tuktamysheva, who lost the Olympic spot not once but TWICE, and she's now among the tops again. Did you expect to fix everything on 6 months? Nobody expected that.

There is nothing to blame on TCC. She's been there 6 months! Just wait, changes are not easy.

 

[Ophelia]

Not to be alarmist, or start rumors, or anything...but is anyone else doubting the longevity of this coaching situation? In all honesty. Evgenia has very high standards for herself, and I can't imagine her being happy with herself or situation. I'm not quite sure what to think myself. Brian's reaction was a little disappointing, I have to say. I still love their interaction and partnership for the most part, but I wouldn't be surprised if she called it quits after this season if things don't improve. I'm not sure who she would go to.

She needs to cease all interaction with Russian media, all social media, and the like, I think. It makes me sick that sort of environment punishes skaters who actually try to grow and change. I can't even imagine the "told you so" headlines coming.

Who else would she go to? She can't coach hop. Another coaching change will only bring more turbulence.

I'm more concerned about the possibility Rusfed pulling funding.

 

[Metis]

Another point--she hasn't NEEDED to adjust to jump mistakes in like 4 years, because they miraculously never happened. So there will be a learning curve just in terms of learning to catch up to music and getting spins/steps done. She deserves the right to fail and struggle while she learns all of these things without everyone in the skating world being up in arms about every small (or large) mistake she makes.

Exactly. And I’d add that she had the same SP and FS layouts for her first two years as a senior as well, with, in my opinion, largely the same choreography and transitions for all programmes. Her ice coverage was more or less identical for two straight seasons, with a partial exception for Karenina. There’s a lot she’s learning — mentally, not just physically. Even Zagitova had plenty of less than ideal skates that taught her how to quickly resume the programme without a lapse in the performance, still hit level requirements, etc. Medvedeva really hasn’t. And that consistency is commendable, but it’s also not sustainable, and she’s learning some lessons now that she didn’t have to before. It is what it is, but it’s not a failure of coaching or a sign of the apocalypse or something else crazy.

 

[jhcorb01]

I deleted that post because I figured it would only fuel more chaotic rhetoric, but I calmed down a bit, put things into perspective....I actually *can't* see her leaving now, I suppose. She made a huge life decision and change.

As for Rusfed pulling funding, hopefully Zhenya has made enough cash to support herself while she's there.

 

[grey19]

Who else would she go to? She can't coach hop. Another coaching change will only bring more turbulence.

I'm more concerned about the possibility Rusfed pulling funding.

This year she won't lose funding, next year though is a different story, RN will give the answer.

 

[Coryocris]

As for Rusfed pulling funding, hopefully Zhenya has made enough cash to support herself while she's there.

She has Nike, Pantene and several japanese products she does ads for. I'm sure money won't be a problem.

 

[s_parks]

Exactly. And I’d add that she had the same SP and FS layouts for her first two years as a senior as well, with, in my opinion, largely the same choreography and transitions for all programmes. Her ice coverage was more or less identical for two straight seasons, with a partial exception for Karenina. There’s a lot she’s learning — mentally, not just physically. Even Zagitova had plenty of less than ideal skates that taught her how to quickly resume the programme without a lapse in the performance, still hit level requirements, etc. Medvedeva really hasn’t. And that consistency is commendable, but it’s also not sustainable, and she’s learning some lessons now that she didn’t have to before. It is what it is, but it’s not a failure of coaching or a sign of the apocalypse or something else crazy.

According to the hundreds of experts on this forum who clearly know better than a team who has coached skaters to multiple olympic and world champions, it indeed is the apocalypse. And everyone at TCC is dumb and clueless.

 

[ayame]

Maybe I'm projecting my personal struggles from last season onto her, but to me it looked like she didn't have the energy to perform - whether the cause is mental or physical or even both, I know how it feels to have the desire to go all out without being able to bring yourself to do so and for that reason I'm supporting her even more. Somehow I'm kind of relieved she didn't try to savour it after messing up the first 2A; no one is strong enough to fight 24/7, it's important and healthy to show vulnerability sometimes. Had she given it her all to stick the combo on later, it might still not have been enough to make the final and that would be a lot harder to deal with mentally. If I were Zhenya, my next step would be to have a cup of tea and a warm bath, do something fun and think "okay, that didn't go the way I wanted to, but I'm not in top shape right now, I can and will do better eventually". I hope she knows herself well enough to figure out the best way to deal with this so it's just a temporary setback and nothing more. I believe in you, Zhenya

 

[fabienne1996]

Realistically I think we all knew deep inside as did she that gpf is too soon. Yes it was he personal goal cause here wanted to prove it to everyone and to herself. But the problem is that it has I think to much pressure on her, healing her foot, still healing her back all those changes and pardon me but changing the layout in almost every competition, getting used to said new layouts, to the new training, new everything and adding to that the pressure of what feels more than half of the skating world, adding the fact that eteri also gave a lot of damaging comments(while i dont dislike eteri there are just things that an adult woman should now better which includes not throwing dirt on her exfavourite skater) it would have been ok if she had been angry about how zhenya left cause yes it was wrong that apparently zhenya hasnt told her personally but to basically tell the world that zhenya isn't talented, that alina was the drive Bening zhenya at the Olympics? To tell the world òf a private and deeply private conversation whose content is still in question?) Add to that the hate and negative press she gets it is too much in such a short time. While I applaud Brian for letting her choose her personal goals I think he also deep down knew it would hard to get to gpf in such a short time

I hope zhenya let's it all out hopefully in her grandmother's arms were she feels safe and secure. And than she has to stay off media until Russian nationals . She needs to mabye relax a bit. Now and that is why I think that going to gpf would have been a mistake , she isn't ready yet and its ok cause she is humans , humans are not perfect. I think the only one with the same amount of pressure and hate is alina, and she is struggling to with different things , but she doesn't need to get used to a new live, she still has the same trainers, same eating habits , same time zone, Ect. And mabye it was also to early for those two too meet again and to see her ex trainers again.

I hope she knows that we as her fans will always be there for her cheering for her. Damm I want to just beam myself to her right this instant and just hug her and tell her everything will be ok, and that she is already so amazing, and touched so many people's live and that those people love her soo much even if we don't know her personally [emoji173][emoji173][emoji173][emoji173][emoji173][emoji173]

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[bubblecherry]

We should all prepare for her to possibly not be sent to Euros and Worlds. And it's not the end of the world if she's not. Of course I don't want it to happen, but even if she does well at RusNats, there are 3 Russians that have had a better season than her.

The negatives: Even though she's had a rough start to the season, she could could well at one of these comps and get some confidence back. It would look better to outsiders looking in at her situation. She would be devastated.

The positives: That's just sooner that she can throw these programs away and start on next season. She'll have time to get comfortable with her environment and hammer her new technique in. If she's looking to raise her tech then that'd be a great time to do so.

I'm not saying this to be negative. We should just have realistic expectations and realize there are pros and cons to any outcomes that happen.

 

[ejnsofi]

Oh, shut up! Of course she has the time. Look at Tuktamysheva, who lost the Olympic spot not once but TWICE, and she's now among the tops again. Did you expect to fix everything on 6 months? Nobody expected that.

There is nothing to blame on TCC. She's been there 6 months! Just wait, changes are not easy.

Tuk has ace in her sleeve called Triple Axel plus she has superb technique on her other jumps (the best triple lutz in business). Also even with her average spins she doesn’t get V for them and usually hits lvl4 except her combination spin. Her problems came from lack of motivation.

Also I don’t expect to fix 11 years of poor technique in 6 months. But I also don’t expect things to get worse. She is 3rd alternative for GPF in post Olympic season when some top names aren’t even present in GP field so excuse me for being extremely worried.

 

[doublequad]

watched the FS
NOOOOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOONOOOOOOOO
hope she does well at rusnats

 

[NoviceFan]

Just popped by to say - the end of the world rhetoric is exhausting. The Eteri worship is also trite and ridiculous. Their relationship is obviously over, and going back would do nothing for her now that she is grown tbh. Brian and Evgenia have not been together for very long at all so also calling for her to leave Brian is premature and short-sighted IMO. Her mistakes today seemed mental - I think it might be wise to invest in a sports psychologist for her, because in practice she looked perfectly fine and relaxed. But again, it’s not the end and the fact we are even discussing this is ridiculous - I’m sure certain media outlets and internet posters will enjoy pushing that narrative but that doesn’t make it reality. I’m sure Brian and Evgenia will look at what went wrong and move forward to better things.

Agree. I do not think she is going anywhere. I hope she will have the time to regroup and come back with a better mental outlook. I hope her family and her coaching team shields her from this hysteria.

Also for my own sanity, I will take my own advice and will stay away from any skating-related stuff except this thread and Mednation.

 

[lastremnant]

Just popped by to say - the end of the world rhetoric is exhausting. The Eteri worship is also trite and ridiculous. Their relationship is obviously over, and going back would do nothing for her now that she is grown tbh. Brian and Evgenia have not been together for very long at all so also calling for her to leave Brian is premature and short-sighted IMO. Her mistakes today seemed mental - I think it might be wise to invest in a sports psychologist for her, because in practice she looked perfectly fine and relaxed. But again, it’s not the end and the fact we are even discussing this is ridiculous - I’m sure certain media outlets and internet posters will enjoy pushing that narrative but that doesn’t make it reality. I’m sure Brian and Evgenia will look at what went wrong and move forward to better things.

Agreed

 

[Hello from Brazil]

Forget Rusfed. You know, if they abandoned the Tsarina then she could just be the Tsarina in exile. Any country would grab her to skate for them. She’d find sponsors. Of all the current skaters, barring the King (Hanyu), she has the greatest legion of fans. Rusfed would be idiotic to drop her. Other countries would be at her door moments later with bouquets of flowers and boxes of chocolates. And then when she wins the prix next year, Rusfed would have to eat horse. No rumors or overblowing things here. This is a learning season, one for growth and re-creating. Time to prepare for nationals with no pressure.

This put a smile on my face

 

[StrikerIvan]

Before this season begin, I have already expected she would be take more time to adapt the new environment, I predicted she could lose in grand prix but she will comeback in RusNats. However, after this night, it seems Zhenya is getting lost now... At now, I just hope the tough girl that always be positive can be comeback at soon as possible... No matter what result she get in remain tournaments in this season, just give me back a sunshine girl. Come on Zhenya

 

[Ophelia]

Forget Rusfed. You know, if they abandoned the Tsarina then she could just be the Tsarina in exile. Any country would grab her to skate for them. She’d find sponsors. Of all the current skaters, barring the King (Hanyu), she has the greatest legion of fans. Rusfed would be idiotic to drop her. Other countries would be at her door moments later with bouquets of flowers and boxes of chocolates. And then when she wins the prix next year, Rusfed would have to eat horse. No rumors or overblowing things here. This is a learning season, one for growth and re-creating. Time to prepare for nationals with no pressure.

This scenario is highly unlikely, given how patriotic Med is, and that if she does switch countries she'll be seen as a traitor in Russia for the rest of her life. Just look at the reaction to her switching coaches and multiply it by 100.

I think it might be good she's not going to GPF. Gives her time to regroup. She's been desperately trying to hold onto a high speed train for too long.