Favorite/least favorite moments?

[Kwanford Wife]

My favorite:

- Aliona Savchenko saving the free skate
- Ryan BRADLEY's 15th place, proving his Nats silver was a huge joke
- Watching Yuko Kawaguchi being so fanatic & fantastic
- Daisuke Takahashi's silver
- Listening to comments on Dutch Eurosport about Evan ('He's been skating to Carmen for only... eeehhh.... 5 years?'), and Emily's Carmen SP ('Her presentation looks SO cheap!')
Disappointments:

- Skaters I like not medaling

Wow... and I thought Peter C. was an idiot...

 

[Zuranthium]

My favorites...

The Skaters...
Miki & Brian winning... we talk about "upping the ante" and "raising the bar" but when two technically superior skaters win, we only complain... sucha shame...

Uhh...too bad *neither* of them "upped the ante".

Miki did not try her Quad.

Brian downgraded 4 elements in his Long Program.

~Z

 

[Spun Silver]

Have to add Stephane's FP to my faves list. The size of the jumps, the silkiness and speed of the spins, the elegance of his machismo style, the gorgeous choreography... I don't think I've ever watched an FP that seemed so short, it was just riveting. What a comeback. I can't wait to see him do it again.

Also, a highlight was the Japanese fans. They're right up there with Spokane! Very enthusiastic toward all the skaters. I choked up seeing the standing O they gave Stephane.

 

[blue_idealist]

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Favourite moments:

- The showdown between Dubreuil and Lauzon and Denkova and Staviyski in the free dance
- Takahashi's free skate
- Mao Asada's free skate
- Volosozhar and Morozov's free skate, although I saw it on youtube and not tv

Worst moments:

Joanne's short program
Mira Leung's long program
Jeff Buttle's long program
Stephane Lambiel's zebra costume or whatever you want to call it
- Petrova and Tikhonov and the Siudeks having to withdraw

 

[gio]

Uhh...too bad *neither* of them "upped the ante".

Miki did not try her Quad.

Well, doing two triple Lutz/triple loop combos is a piece of cake.

Miki rised the bar, IMO

 

[Kwanford Wife]

Uhh...too bad *neither* of them "upped the ante".

Miki did not try her Quad.

Brian downgraded 4 elements in his Long Program.

~Z

I was gonna reply with something smart-mouthed but I simply don't care anymore... But I will say:

Miki was smart not to do the Quad... but at least she can do one in addition to a clean short program...

And Brian has a foot injury.

 

[Zuranthium]

Well, doing two triple Lutz/triple loop combos is a piece of cake.

Miki rised the bar, IMO

Miki did great but she in no way "raised the bar" from what Mao Asada has already achieved. Then, when you look outside of the jumps, Miki has nothing special in her skating at all (although the desperation she exudes in her step sequences is certainly....unique....).

~Z

I was gonna reply with something smart-mouthed but I simply don't care anymore...

Yeah, it's certainly easier to believe what you want to rather than REALITY. But go ahead.

And Brian has a foot injury.

*Had*. It was healed. Or even if it wasn't, what's your point?

Alexei Yagudin had an injury in 2001. They didn't award him the Gold Medal there just because they knew he could do better. People get injuries all the time. You can't give someone extra credit just because of that. Competition is about what the skaters do that night on the ice ONLY.

~Z

 

[Tonichelle]

Z - come one, let those who enjoy these skaters enjoy the moment.

this was not a fact debate thread, this was a personal fav/least fav moments...

 

[Zuranthium]

Yes, well, people getting undeserved medals would be my "least favorite moments". So there we are.

Lambiel's and Takahashi's freeskates were my favorite moments.

~Z

 

[Kwanford Wife]

Miki did great but she in no way "raised the bar" from what Mao Asada has already achieved. Then, when you look outside of the jumps, Miki has nothing special in her skating at all (although the desperation she exudes in her step sequences is certainly....unique....).

~Z



Yeah, it's certainly easier to believe what you want to rather than REALITY. But go ahead.



*Had*. It was healed. Or even if it wasn't, what's your point?

Alexei Yagudin had an injury in 2001. They didn't award him the Gold Medal there just because they knew he could do better. People get injuries all the time. You can't give someone extra credit just because of that. Competition is about what the skaters do that night on the ice ONLY.

~Z

Are you sure you want to go there? Whoever you were rooting for either tanked in the short program or tanked in the long. So sorry, but that's simply the REALITY of the situation. Now, if you want to live in fantasy land that flawed skating should be rewarded - go right ahead... that is your right, even when its wrong.

Miki is a truly a technically proficient skater: her jumps are difficult, spins are good and her footwork is definately the hot kind: created by her coach - who's style I love... LOVE THAT... And by the way, she was clean in both aspects of the competition.

As for Brian: I wasn't referring to his injury in terms of because he had an injury, he deserved to win - but reflecting on the point that he had/has/whatever an injury to his foot and the other skaters making it an easy night for him, I understood the lack of quads. And by the way, he was clean in both aspects of the competition.


Now, in terms of "gifting" skaters with medals... um, the irony of your statement is comical. Truly comical. Why? Because while the skaters who were the best on BOTH nights won gold, those who were not the best on BOTH nights did not (see the difference?) and you're upset because you don't like them... awww... poor baby.... too bad. There's always next year.

But to each their own... I'm sure your opinion is correct and I was dreaming up Miki & Brian's results vs. what they actually put out there... My fault.

But the most important two things remain:

One - Miki & Brian won (yay Miki & Brian - I knew you'd pull it off !! :chorus: :chorus: ) and

Two - Brian Joubert is simply smokin', freakin' hot!

 

[Zuranthium]

Are you sure you want to go there? Whoever you were rooting for either tanked in the short program or tanked in the long. So sorry, but that's simply the REALITY of the situation. Now, if you want to live in fantasy land that flawed skating should be rewarded - go right ahead... that is your right, even when its wrong.

What on Earth are you talking about. Takahashi had a BEAUTIFUL Short Program and THE BEST OVERALL FREESKATE. Where exactly did he "tank"? Joubert made MORE mistakes than Takahashi, which negates his supposed technical superiority.

As for Brian: I wasn't referring to his injury in terms of because he had an injury, he deserved to win - but reflecting on the point that he had/has/whatever an injury to his foot and the other skaters making it an easy night for him, I understood the lack of quads. And by the way, he was clean in both aspects of the competition.

Actually, Brian was NOT clean in the Short Program as he put a hand down on his Triple Flip. Who was "most clean" doesn't matter, the points matter, but this just goes to show how you're ignoring what actually happened at the competition.

Now, in terms of "gifting" skaters with medals... um, the irony of your statement is comical. Truly comical. Why? Because while the skaters who were the best on BOTH nights won gold, those who were not the best on BOTH nights did not (see the difference?) and you're upset because you don't like them... awww... poor baby.... too bad. There's always next year.

Uhhh...how were Miki and Joubert the best on both nights???

Going by the judges alone Miki was 2nd in BOTH the SP and LP and Joubert was 3rd in the LP.

So, again, how exactly are you not ignoring reality??? It seems to me that you're more complacent to go with the status quo than I am with "not liking certain skaters". Who I like the most has very little to do with how I feel people should have placed, as I force myself to be as objective as possible. Lambiel is easily my favorite out there right now but I was adamant that he did NOT deserve to be in the top 6 after the SP.

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To reiterate my entire stance here:

Miki Ando did great with the jumps, GO MIKI, but won the Gold medal because Mao Asada was unfairly docked in her Short Program.

Brian Joubert did great with the jumps in comparison to most everyone else, GO BRIAN, but won the Gold medal because #1 - the judges felt the need to go with the status quo and give him unfairly high PCS as a result of his "dueness" to win this Title, and #2 - because Takahashi was unfairly docked in the Short Program.

Over and Out.

~Z

 

[silver.blades]

Miki Ando did great with the jumps, GO MIKI, but won the Gold medal because Mao Asada was unfairly docked in her Short Program.

Asada wasn't unfairly docked in the short. She was marked by the rule book, maybe the rules are unfair but they still remain the rules. It would have been unfair if she hadn't been deducted the marks. Why should the rules be change in one competition just for her?

 

[Hsuhs]

I agree.
I also hope that next year Mao comes back strong and flawless. If she does, she'll win. And that'll be fair.

 

[discoduck]

My favorite moment was the end of Shen and Zhao's free skate. I was thinking how sweet it was that he kissed her and when I found out that he had asked her to marry him, I thought that was the most precious thing ever. Oh and them winning was pretty damn great too.

My other favorite moment was Miki. I've always enjoyed her skating and I'm happy that she put it all together.

 

[Zuranthium]

Asada wasn't unfairly docked in the short. She was marked by the rule book, maybe the rules are unfair but they still remain the rules. It would have been unfair if she hadn't been deducted the marks. Why should the rules be change in one competition just for her?

They shouldn't be changed just for her, LMAO, they should be changed because they are poor rules. Nearly falling on a 3Flip/1Loop in the Short Program nets you the same amount of points as doing it cleanly. Yeah, that makes sense.

What if the rules said "the person who lands the most jumps cleanly wins". You can't argue because *those are the rules*! Thinking for yourself is bad! Everyone must not question the rules!



CoP is a work in progress. I can't help it that the creators and overlords of the system don't understand math and/or the flaws of this point matrix.

~Z

 

[blue dog]

Debating

Wow--as someone who has won awards on the national circuit (College, not HS) for debate and public speaking, I must say that some people's argumentation skills need work. True argumentation isn't attacking the other person; nor is it just simply "arguing" for the sake of being right. Sometimes, it's ok to admit you're wrong.

The purpose of true argumentation is to communicate your point; not to alienate others when appearing to have this high-brow attitude.

In a sport where beauty dictates who wins, debating cleanliness is quite difficult. One girl's flutz is another girl's gold medal.

 

[Tonichelle]

*applauds blue_dog*

 

[blue dog]

*applauds blue_dog*

thanks!

on that note, i just became a poor communicator myself by straying from topic, so without further ado:

my favourite moment: not really a moment, but a series of moments. the buildup to worlds--the post nationals-pre worlds period where everyone was working their butt off, and we were hearing things from all over. someone was trying a new jump, so and so will do this-- it was exciting to be a skating fan again! we waited one year since the last one--

and everything was great (with the exception of s/s and p/t withdrawing) until...

my least favourite moment: when the last group of ladies warmed up. i knew it was over then. this is one of the first years when i didn't have a clear favourite, and while i cheered for all of them and didn't care who won, i was sad--another seven months without skating.

thank you all--skaters, fans (on and off the board) for making this season a memorable one.

 

[Zuranthium]

Wow--as someone who has won awards on the national circuit (College, not HS) for debate and public speaking, I must say that some people's argumentation skills need work. True argumentation isn't attacking the other person; nor is it just simply "arguing" for the sake of being right. Sometimes, it's ok to admit you're wrong.

The purpose of true argumentation is to communicate your point; not to alienate others when appearing to have this high-brow attitude.

Actually, the point of arguing is to invalidate the other person's assumptions.

~Z

 

[HCOSurfer]

Yeah but he said when you debate you dont attack them, kinda like what you're doing right now.

Anyway back on topic,
Favorite moments:
1. Yuna's SP
2. Miki in the kiss and cry after she realizes she won
3. Daisuke's LP

Least Favorite:
1. No USA ladies, men, or pairs (besides dance) on the podium
2. Alissa practically bombing her SP
3. That Kimmie's SP was underscored IMO