FD and Final Dance Results

[dorispulaski]

1 Madison HUBBELL / Keiffer HUBBELL USA 76.46 38.10 38.36 6.50 6.30 6.50 6.30 6.40 0.00 #7
2 Piper GILLES / Zachary DONOHUE USA 73.34 38.40 34.94 5.80 5.65 5.95 5.90 5.95 0.00 #5
3 Ksenia MONKO / Kirill KHALIAVIN RUS 69.98 36.00 33.98 5.80 5.50 5.70 5.70 5.70 0.00 #9
4 Marina ANTIPOVA / Artem KUDASHEV RUS 69.89 36.40 33.49 5.75 5.40 5.65 5.60 5.60 0.00 #6
5 Ruslana JURCHENKO / Alexander LIUBCHENKO UKR 61.14 33.30 27.84 4.70 4.55 4.45 4.80 4.75 0.00 #2
6 Anastasia GALYETA / Semen KAPLUN UKR 59.66 30.40 29.26 5.00 4.75 4.85 5.00 4.85 0.00 #8
7 Veronique DE BEAUMONT-BOISVERT / Sebastien BURON CAN 58.85 32.10 26.75 4.60 4.40 4.35 4.55 4.40 0.00 #1
8 Juliane HASLINGER / Tom FINKE GER 57.62 31.80 25.82 4.45 4.15 4.40 4.35 4.25 0.00 #4
9 Sara HURTADO / Adria DIAZ ESP 52.56 30.80 21.76 3.65 3.40 3.75 3.80 3.70 0.00 #3





1 Madison HUBBELL / Keiffer HUBBELL USA 164.24 1 1 1
2 Piper GILLES / Zachary DONOHUE USA 154.99 4 2 2
3 Ksenia MONKO / Kirill KHALIAVIN RUS 150.86 3 3 3
4 Marina ANTIPOVA / Artem KUDASHEV RUS 149.30 2 4 4
5 Anastasia GALYETA / Semen KAPLUN UKR 126.81 5 6 6
6 Ruslana JURCHENKO / Alexander LIUBCHENKO UKR 126.16 7 7 5
7 Veronique DE BEAUMONT-BOISVERT / Sebastien BURON CAN 125.50 6 5 7
8 Juliane HASLINGER / Tom FINKE GER 120.94 8 8 8
9 Sara HURTADO / Adria DIAZ ESP
104.91 9 9 9

 

[chuckm]

BIG drop in total score for both the Hubbells and Gilles/Donohue from their previous events: 167.57 to 164.24 for the Hubbells, and 159.30 to 154.99 for G/D. Conveniently, the lowered score for G/D places them behind Riazanova/Guerreiro in allover total points: 317.22 R/G vs. 314.29 G/D. That means that at the JGPF, G/D have to skate before R/G.

Those point drops also make R/G the highest-scoring team.

But the two Ukrainian teams increased their scores BIG time: Galyeta/Kaplun by 16.63 points, Jurchenko/Liubchenko by a whopping 20.16 points.

 

[MissIzzy]

Those point drops also make R/G the highest-scoring team.

No, both the Hubbells and Shibutanis have higher scores than them: 331.81 and 321.40.

 

[chuckm]

No, both the Hubbells and Shibutanis have higher scores than them: 331.81 and 321.40.

I'm talking about R/G having the highest EVENT score: 167.80. The Hubbells' previous score was 167.57. The Hs should have had a higher score than that at their second event, but no---'twas not to be.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

I'm talking about R/G having the highest EVENT score: 167.80. The Hubbells' previous score was 167.57. The Hs should have had a higher score than that at their second event, but no---'twas not to be.

Well, you explained the set up of the scoring system.

 

[dorispulaski]

However, the placing of the Hubbells is still ahead of R&G--and so are the Shibutanis ahead of R&G in the seeding.

http://www.isufs.org/events/jgp2008/jgpsdance.htm

Current top six JGPF qualifiers:

1 Madison HUBBELL / Keiffer HUBBELL USA 15 15 30 1 331.81 2 156.80 80.34 106.37 18
2 Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI USA 15 13 28 1 321.40 2 158.19 79.30 103.68 36
3 Ekaterina RIAZANOVA / Jonathan GUERREIRO RUS 13 15 28 1 317.22 2 151.29 81.31 102.98 36
4 Piper GILLES / Zachary DONOHUE USA 15 13 28 1 314.29 2 150.37 77.03 102.41 26
5 Kharis RALPH / Asher HILL CAN 13 13 26 2 297.15 2 144.68 73.70 96.77 26
6 Marina ANTIPOVA / Artem KUDASHEV RUS 13 9 22 2 299.27 2 142.48 72.59 96.76 26

The first tiebreaker is total score, not highest score, so Shibutanis are ahead of R&G, mostly because they did not fall in either event & R&G fell twice. However, G&D did suffer from low grading here, as they fell behind R&G into fourth on the first tie breaker.

 

[dancemaster]

I'm talking about R/G having the highest EVENT score: 167.80. The Hubbells' previous score was 167.57. The Hs should have had a higher score than that at their second event, but no---'twas not to be.

Why should they have a higher score did they skate better then Mexico?????
looking at they base value and technical mark .I DON'T THINK SO

 

[chuckm]

Gilles/Donohue's TES improved, but their PCS scores went down.

G/D, OD CZE: TES 28.49, PCS 22.50
G/D, OD RSA: TES 29.80, PCS 21.62

Meanwhile, Antipova/Kudashev's TES went down in the OD because they had a fall, but their PCS scores went up.

A/K, OD CZE: TES 28.59, PCS 20.06
A/K, OD RSA: TES 27.10, PCS 21.85 (higher than G/D's!)

How do you figure that one?

I also noticed that the levels of 3 elements in the Hubbells' FS were lowered from Mexico. Handy for the Russian teams to have Mrs. Piseev as the Tech Controller.

 

[dancemaster]

I also noticed that the levels of 3 elements in the Hubbells' FS were lowered from Mexico. Handy for the Russian teams to have Mrs. Piseev as the Tech Controller.

so what are you saying that the tech controller determent the levels?

I remember you saying that this panel would give the Russians second place what happens to your Theory or crystal ball comments?
Have you seen the Hubbells skate either on video or live Mexico or Safari ?
Or are you just against the Russians.

 

[dancemaster]

Meanwhile, Antipova/Kudashev's TES went down in the OD because they had a fall, but their PCS scores went up.

A/K, OD CZE: TES 28.59, PCS 20.06
A/K, OD RSA: TES 27.10, PCS 21.85 (higher than G/D's!)

How do you figure that one?

.

well that would tell me the panel thought they were better .
and if the fall didn't happen maybe they would have come second in the OD
which they did in the CD

 

[dancemaster]

Referee Mr. Allan BOEHM

Technical Controller Ms. Alla SHEKHOVTSEVA

Technical Specialist Ms. Marika HUMPHREYS-BARANOVA

Assistant Technical Specialist Mr. Roberto PELIZZOLA

in fact i thought this was a well balanced teck panel

 

[chuckm]

well that you tell me the panel thought they were better .
and if the fall didn't happen maybe they would have come second in the OD
which they did in the CD

SOME judges thought they were better. Not all did. And the ones that thought they were better gave much bigger PCS scores to the Russians and were stingy with the others.

If they fell, they couldn't possibly have been better, any way you look at it.

Some judges wanted A/K in second place, but then A/K screwed up and fell and it became impossible to move them up. So they held down the US teams' scores instead.

 

[dancemaster]

Some judges wanted A/K in second place, but then A/K screwed up and fell and it became impossible to move them up. So they held down the US teams' scores instead.

I don't really agree with you

 

[MissIzzy]

Some judges wanted A/K in second place, but then A/K screwed up and fell and it became impossible to move them up. So they held down the US teams' scores instead.

Not impossible, I don't think. They weren't too far behind going into the free dance, and there wasn't any falling going on there. At the very least, an effort could have been made, but G&D trounced both Russian teams by nearly four points. The only segment they lost to them too was the compulsory, and I'm willing to believe they were genuinely weaker there; American teams tend to be a little weaker in the CD(maybe the Russian backroom people will are converge on the Congress in 2010 and convince everyone not to drop a segment of the competition after all!)

 

[chuckm]

But Gilles/Donohue, Antipova/Kudashev and Monko/Khaliavin all skated at CZE and G/D won the CD there.

 

[dorispulaski]

The oddest thing from this year for me is in the OD protocols.

http://www.isufs.org/results/jgprsa2008/jgprsa08_JuniorIceDance_OD_Scores.pdf

In the OD, the top 8 teams all have an Li+Trans for no score as a 6th element. The Spanish team (9th place) doesn't.

I wonder what in the heck that was about. A similar thing (with all but the last team having an Li+Trans for no points) happened in Mexico. I take it this is a glitch in the program that produces the protocols from having 6 elements last year and only 5 this year in the OD?

 

[Kypma]

The oddest thing from this year for me is in the OD protocols.

http://www.isufs.org/results/jgprsa2008/jgprsa08_JuniorIceDance_OD_Scores.pdf

In the OD, the top 8 teams all have an Li+Trans for no score as a 6th element. The Spanish team (9th place) doesn't.

I wonder what in the heck that was about. A similar thing (with all but the last team having an Li+Trans for no points) happened in Mexico. I take it this is a glitch in the program that produces the protocols from having 6 elements last year and only 5 this year in the OD?

I haven't had the chance to look at the protocols, but maybe this is the new rule in the OD, about having a lift graded solely on how well it fits the music? And perhaps some teams have just not incorporated this rule? Somewhat hard to believe, but who knows...

-Kypma

 

[C_T_T_]

I haven't had the chance to look at the protocols, but maybe this is the new rule in the OD, about having a lift graded solely on how well it fits the music? And perhaps some teams have just not incorporated this rule? Somewhat hard to believe, but who knows...

-Kypma

Yeah I think that's what it is.

 

[Sylvia]

But Gilles/Donohue, Antipova/Kudashev and Monko/Khaliavin all skated at CZE and G/D won the CD there.

Just wanted to point that it was a different CD in CZE (Paso Doble, a strong one for G/D as they also won the Paso Doble CD Final in Lake Placid). Starlight Waltz was the CD in RSA.

 

[dorispulaski]

I haven't had the chance to look at the protocols, but maybe this is the new rule in the OD, about having a lift graded solely on how well it fits the music? And perhaps some teams have just not incorporated this rule? Somewhat hard to believe, but who knows...

-Kypma

Seems unlikely. The team in last place in both events is the only one that did it right?

Plus this is an extra element. The last place team has 5 elements. All the other teams have 6 with the sixth being a zero pointer.

Looks like a programming error to me.