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He's been in Europe since late last year. I have a feeling that he'll be staying in France.
Can he even be charged and tried if he's not in the country?
He's been in Europe since late last year. I have a feeling that he'll be staying in France.
Can he even be charged and tried if he's not in the country?
Can he even be charged and tried if he's not in the country?
I don't think so. If the US had an extradition arrangement with France then he could be arrested in France and extradited to the US to face charges, I believe, but if I'm remembering rightly France is one of the countries that doesn't extradite criminals to the US because the death penalty is still in force in some states.
ETA: okokok1777 is way more on top of this than I am so go with their explanation.
He can be criminally charged by the US authorities for any crimes committed on US soil. However, the US authorities would then need to apply for extradition. IIRC while US and France have an extradition treaty, France does not extradite their own citizens (Polanski, who you mentioned earlier, is a good example of this policy in practice). In other words, Morgan would not be extradited to the US from France.
What they mean is that since he’s not an FFSG member anymore, apparently, they have no jurisdiction.Beyer because he no longer has FFSG license (?).
He can be prosecuted in the US, though it would depend on him visiting a country that would extradite him — in practical terms, though, this would be a huge blow to the team in terms of their ability to compete internationally.Regarding Cipres, USA Safe Sport and the local sheriff's department are not ready with him yet, investigations are still continuing IIRC. So pursuing his/their career at this Florida rink in the hope of earning an Olympic start means he still can be charged, arrested and prosecuted under US jurisdiction? I doubt much will come out of it, unless new allegations and/or evidence surface.
Not to sound like a useless politician here but I am disappointed by this outcome.
I can not bring myself to support this team again. I wish Vanessa all the best but for me, who was a big fan of these two, I will not watch them together anymore. Personal decision, personal reasons.
Disgusting... I'm not usually vindictive (I hope) and I'm sorry for Vanessa, but I hope Cipres's skating career is toast. Burnt toast.
Mind you, FFSG may have done squat about him, but what has the US Fed said or done to look into the American coaches? I predict that will also be swept under the same grubby carpet.
A little more detail about the FFSG decision on Ciprès:
According to the article, the FFSG said that no complaint was presented from an alleged victim, no criminal proceedings had been instituted, and that no photographs, text messages, letters, had been presented to the FFSG.
In essence, it sounds as though whoever made the complaint against Morgan did not obtain even a statement from the young lady involved? (I will not bore everyone here with why newspaper articles do not meet the definition of legal proof, nor do I have any idea what standards of evidence are used in France or in French administrative bodies).
If Beyer is no longer a member of the FFSG, then there is in fact no sanction they could issue. If I am not a member of a state bar association, they cannot revoke my bar membership for misconduct.
He can be prosecuted in the US, though it would depend on him visiting a country that would extradite him — in practical terms, though, this would be a huge blow to the team in terms of their ability to compete internationally.
I am totally unsurprised that he's still able to compete, but good grief, couldn't they at least have given him some kind of slap on the wrist? Loud and clear that there are different rules for elite athletes, and that the French federation remains corrupt as they come — valuing the potential medals over the morals. The only punishment will be if audiences turn on him. I think we can all take from this that it is business as usual at the FFSG, with or without Didier. I have zero respect left for Pechelat.
This whole thing is a mess and undermines figure skating which isn't seen in the best of light or due to lack of world wide interest in some ways any light. If you recall there was some issueces of how Pechelat got her position - some will say she earned and fought for her and others will say she plotted and schemed. Then you have Gilles. As all of you are understanding there are different legals standards from a governing body ie ISU, USFSA Safesport, FFSG and criminal proceedings or for that matter civil. Criminal has the most daunting thresholdof all. The idea is to make the sport a sport focussing on good clean competition. Gilles and Cipres will be forever associated withabusive or inappropriate behaviour conviction or no conviction at any and all levels. I do feel for Vanessa and do not know how I feel about this couple or Morgan.
Part of me says Morgan's behaviour is predatory, abusive, he was in a positon of trust and needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent. Another one says while it is not a legal or moral or even sport excuse but it seems like Morgan was behaving like a testosterone filledmale without thinking. One would hope an adult like Morgan would have common sense that his penis is not to be shown at whim. While we should not judge and convict I notice his instagram account and his his posted photos he comes off too many as a young athletic good looking male who doesn't mind showing his body - I am really surprise though he is innocent until proven guilty that his pr people at least didn't slowly remove some of those shirtless, open pant photos. In one interview Vanessa talks of Morgan's playfulnessandcraziness/spontaniety. No excuse criminally or morally that he spontaneous showed his genitalia. Whatever the case Vanessa and Morgan as a team will be tainted for many. Now if they continue what will the judges do or say.