Free Dance

[cassieandcheetah]

That's my IMO. When this team dance, I only watch Moir and never notice Tessa. He has the most presence on the ice and carries the most expression of whatever dance they are doing. He also has better lines.

I have to say she smiles a lot. Much like Tanith. I think out of the female skaters Isabel Delobel has the best expression. She can do both happiness and sadness well. And I Do think Scott Moir is a strong male ice dancer. His expression is excellent. Also, He's kind of tiny for a male dancer and I've noticed how Tessa's grown to the point of them being about the same size, but he still carries and lifts her with the same ease as seen before.

 

[oxade21]

I have to say she smiles a lot. Much like Tanith. I think out of the female skaters Isabel Delobel has the best expression. She can do both happiness and sadness well.

Yeah, I think one of the reasons we have this battle of the cultures, so called European vs. American, is "the grin faces" B/A and to some extent Tessa do. And on the side note, I personally have same problem with Kawaguchi, who just can not keep that mouth shut. It is so wide open, I feel like she can swallow Smirnov any minute.
Moir can express the dance perfectly and most importantly he uses his body very well to express the dance. You can just feel this music flowing through him and how he relates to it. Tessa looks just like accessory for him, IMO However it does not mean as a team they are not good. In fact, I would like to see them mature. This team is going to be a force to reckon if they keep up their progress.

 

[discoduck]

When this team dance, I only watch Moir and never notice Tessa. He has the most presence on the ice and carries the most expression of whatever dance they are doing. He also has better lines.

I agree. I've always watched Scott much more so than Tessa. He is a wonderful dancer and seems to truly feel the music. Most of the time I forget that Tessa is even there.

 

[cassieandcheetah]

I agree. I've always watched Scott much more so than Tessa. He is a wonderful dancer and seems to truly feel the music. Most of the time I forget that Tessa is even there.

Are you guys both females though, discoduck and oxade21?

 

[discoduck]

Are you guys both females though, discoduck and oxade21?

Well yes I am. I can't speak for oxade but Scott is a little young for me to be swooning over. I mean it when I say that I am honestly watching his dancing! If I were 20 years younger maybe...haha.

 

[oxade21]

Are you guys both females though, discoduck and oxade21?

No, I am not female, and I am not saying that Tessa is ugly. She just does not have that ice dance diva kinda of presence like Oksana, Yana or even to some extent Belbin have. She is just too quiet and average-ish

 

[cassieandcheetah]

No, I am not female, and I am not saying that Tessa is ugly. She just does not have that ice dance diva kinda of presence like Oksana, Yana or even to some extent Belbin have. She is just too quiet and average-ish

oh I don't think Tessa's ugly of course. But I do agree. She could be more of a diva!

 

[blue dog]

Are you guys both females though, discoduck and oxade21?

I think that a lot of new Canadian teams are like that--the males are better at expressing than the females. Not just Scott Moir, but Andrew Poje, as well (but then again, his partner is American). For a long time, people agreed that Tanith Belbin wasn't as expressive as her partner (and to some degree, Ben is still better at expressing the music than she is).

And remember, the beauty that is Oksana Domnina was once herself overpowered in expression by her partner (she reminded me of Irina Lobacheva back then)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NQflajbqEzU

Now she's a diva!

 

[discoduck]

I haven't watched enough of Weaver and Poje to really form an opinion yet. You bring up an interesting point however regarding Canadian men and expression. Times have changed. Bourne and Kraatz are one of my favorite dance teams but she was always much more expressive than he was. Victor was a very good skater but Shae defitnitely had him beat on feeling the music. Same with Wing and Lowe. I always found Megan much more expressive than Aaron.

 

[backoutsideedge]

Dubreuil was more expressive than Lauzon as well.

 

[dancemaster]

Well, if you do not like them personally say so without responding with condescending attitude to someone who tried to give you some background on what those skaters try to portray. If you don't get it, your loss.
I don't mind someone not liking something, but the way you putting it sounds like this team does not deserve any of the success they achieved. The team brings the most technically challenging program and deliver them with huge GOE as reported not by just few judges but every judge and technical specialist. You want to see another rendition of Krylova's waltz??? Well, go back to 80s. This is different times, different rules, different demands.
For a person of your age you sound too categorical and sure of yourself. And I could not care less about what you achieved in your life. Judging by your posts not much.
Every team, among the top 6 this season, has something great about them and something to work on. You wanna make an insightful and serious analysis, then compare them to each other not to a dance team from the 80s.

the judges (p cs) actually had B/A in front on skating skills and equal in all other areas..in the FD and the actual score was much closer then the marks show..in fact the way of the computer selection happen it went in DO/Sh way..
there is a scenario with the same marks same judges we could have gotten a different result add the selection of the computer been different

 

[oxade21]

the judges (p cs) actually had B/A in front on skating skills and equal in all other areas..in the FD and the actual score was much closer then the marks show..in fact the way of the computer selection happen it went in DO/Sh way..
there is a scenario with the same marks same judges we could have gotten a different result add the selection of the computer been different

And your point is????
If they were equal in ALL areas there would have been tie, but obviously the results show that Dom/Shabs edged them out. My observation of the sheets indicates that Dom/Shabs had higher technical level and better execution.
It is great that we finally have such close competition and the quality of the teams is on the same level. It happened it was Dom/Shabs this time, it could very easily be any of the other top 5. That's why it is extremely important to skate clean and satisfy technical specialists in what they want to see.

 

[blue dog]

Dubreuil was more expressive than Lauzon as well.

Sorry to jump disciplines, but there was a time when David Pelletier skated with another woman, and he expressed the music more than she did. But you are right--Marie-France was much more expressive than Patrice.

 

[chuckm]

And your point is????
If they were equal in ALL areas there would have been tie, but obviously the results show that Dom/Shabs edged them out. My observation of the sheets indicates that Dom/Shabs had higher technical level and better execution.
It is great that we finally have such close competition and the quality of the teams is on the same level. It happened it was Dom/Shabs this time, it could very easily be any of the other top 5. That's why it is extremely important to skate clean and satisfy technical specialists in what they want to see.

I posted a lists of all the GOE and PCS rankings by judge for all the teams.

5 of the 9 judges did NOT place DomShabs in first, based on PCS and GOE, and four of those five judges placed DomShabs 3rd or lower. 6 of the 9 judges placed B/A first or second in both GOE and PCS.

So if the random selection had been different, it is likely that DomShabs would not have won the gold medal.

But based on any kind of selection, the medalwinners would still have been the same.

 

[oxade21]

I posted a lists of all the GOE and PCS rankings by judge for all the teams.

5 of the 9 judges did NOT place DomShabs in first, based on PCS and GOE, and four of those five judges placed DomShabs 3rd or lower. 6 of the 9 judges placed B/A first or second in both GOE and PCS.

So if the random selection had been different, it is likely that DomShabs would not have won the gold medal.

But based on any kind of selection, the medalwinners would still have been the same.

Can you give us the source for such a claim??? Because the official scoring sheet does not support any of your claims. Maybe you have access to special source that we do not have to?

 

[chuckm]

Can you give us the source for such a claim??? Because the official scoring sheet does not support any of your claims. Maybe you have access to special source that we do not have to?

Scroll up to message #73 in this thread (it's on page 5). All of my data was derived directly from the protocols, using the sum of the GOEs given by each judge/team, plus the sum of the factored PCS scores given by each judge/team.

Then I sorted the team data (from highest to lowest), first for GOE and then for PCS, for each judge

The result is the rank order (1 to 6, sometimes with ties) of the teams for that judge.

 

[skatingfan04]

Based on the scores posted earlier in the thread, there were q1uite a few differences in opinion by thye judges. I am NOT implying that I think there was a problem with it, just that there were discrepencies. I still love V/M's FD, and while i agree that he is a bit more expressive than her, I personally do not find myself watching one more than the other. I tend to be entranced by both, and I think that they're a good palance for each other. I like Del/Schos's FD, but there's one thing that bugs me- the sign language. Yes, I know it's relevant to the story, but I don't like the way they do it. It seems almost spastic, and doesn't really look like proper sign language. I know that more formal sign language would be less dramatic. I do like the way that they've incorperated the sign language into the dance, though. JMO.

 

[oxade21]

Scroll up to message #73 in this thread (it's on page 5). All of my data was derived directly from the protocols, using the sum of the GOEs given by each judge/team, plus the sum of the factored PCS scores given by each judge/team.

Then I sorted the team data (from highest to lowest), first for GOE and then for PCS, for each judge

The result is the rank order (1 to 6, sometimes with ties) of the teams for that judge.

Well, I am asking you the protocols that you "derived" your data. Because if you are using the judges scores pdf files posted in ISU website, your calculations are false and they do not support the claim you are making.

 

[1795]

I agree with you both!!!! I just love DelShoes program. Technically it's not the best, but it's the most perfect program where I do feel the two people communicating with each other and expressing the music best. I actually do see however why Dom/Sha won. While they leave me cold with their practical manners and technically-oriented programs, they do their job really well, and I guess in the current world of iceskating that's what manners the most--getting the business done. And I do agree that Oksana is a very good skater. She kind of reminds me of Shae-Lynn Bourne.

chyeah

 

[chuckm]

Well, I am asking you the protocols that you "derived" your data. Because if you are using the judges scores pdf files posted in ISU website, your calculations are false and they do not support the claim you are making.

If the data in the protocols are false, then the ISU is indeed pulling the wool over everyone's eyes, including the skaters.

My calculations are not false just because you want them to be.

I am putting you on my ignore list, because you make no sense whatsoever.

Hoping you have an interesting life......