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Gabriella Papadakis & Guillaume Cizeron

Well, I listened to a lot of her music and I have NO clue what they could be skating to. I don't think they're skating to one of her romantic songs, but folksy is so vague... I don't want to wait til November :(
 
Roast Toast said:
Well, I listened to a lot of her music and I have NO clue what they could be skating to. I don't think they're skating to one of her romantic songs, but folksy is so vague... I don't want to wait til November :(
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Well, at least by November I will have listened to all her songs 😂 We may start to make bets now that we know the name of the artist 😀
 
Charis said:
New article: http://www.rfi.fr/depeche/danse-glace-papadakis-cizeron-operation-nouveau-souffle

rhythmic dance : The two pieces they have chosen are played on the violin.
free program: goodbye piano, hello guitar.

A week ago in training, Cizeron had a serious fall on the head. More fear than harm - a sore jaw - but this is the main reason why it will take another six weeks, until the Japanese Grand Prix (9-11 November).....
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Oh no, poor Guillaume! I would have never guessed, his insta stories seemed so cheerful!

Thanks for the link and translation!
 
I hope Guillaume's feeling okay - but at least we know that their team is the gold standard when it comes to dealing with head injuries, and it doesn't sound like he has any concussion issues or he wouldn't be allowed to skate the RD either.

Violin in the RD and guitar in the FD sounds lovely, but I'm really going to have to explore Yamagata's back catalogue now to find her guitar pieces!
 
draka said:
I highly disagree with you here. I don't think anybody, no matter how unimaginably talented, should demand another person's undivided attention day and night. Nor do I think the one on the receiving end of said attention would benefit much from that. The ones that should care and nurture the talent that GG have, first and foremost, are GG themselves. And even they would need (and thankfully do) get a pause to get away from it sometimes. You might be exaggerating a bit, but still - having someone on a pedestal for being a prodigy and having to fulfil that role at all costs, that would certainly NOT make for a fun (or even great) life. Especially for the one deemed the prodigy.

And also, Yuzuru's sitiation isn't what you were describing as well. His coaching situation is very similar to the Gadbois one actually: many top athletes, including his main competition, under the same coaching team whose job it is to give exactly the kind of attention that every student needs. And they, as well as the Gadbois team, are the best at this game. If and when a student isn't happy with their coaching situation, it is their resposibility to change it. (e.g. GG bringing in outside choreographers but not leaving entirely, hence at this point they seem to be satisfied/have made it work)
(Sorry for the rather quick reply, I can clarify what I mean more as I like such a discussion but now I really need to run :slink:)
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Thank you Draka. I accept all that you say. I have ultimately no problem in accepting that this is reality, and I do understand that what I propose would probably make for very ugly persons. I think (even recent) history shows us as much. :o:

What you describe is reality, and what I describe is wishful thinking that isolates the artistic talent from the frame of the world in which it is expressing itself. Things don't happen in a vacuum, so yes, even though I feel their talent absolutely would justify such a situation on its own, it would be (and probably has been shown in history to turn out) a deeply toxic situation that could be describes as 'weltfremd', out of touch with reality.

Ah, life is complex, isn't it?
 
I'm sure I read that MFD is still working with V/M on their thankyou Canada. I always thought that Romain was P/C main coach?
 
brushalley said:
I'm sure I read that MFD is still working with V/M on their thankyou Canada. I always thought that Romain was P/C main coach?
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Of course she is still working with them...Thank you Canada is a very BIG job...and fame for her and Gadboys...and with V/M as Gold Olympic champions....JUst imagine...all for Canada!!!

..........:slink:
 
Harriet said:
For anyone who wants to catch the RD live later tonight, the livestream is up here: https://www.facebook.com/sportsdeglace Quite a good quality stream so far!
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Thanks Harriet!
I'm sorry that you won't be able to see it live. It's quite late for my early-night rhythm, but I think I'll manage to stay awake until I've seen them do it. Would probably not be able to sleep knowing that a good hour later, they'll be on the ice...
 
Well, who knows, it'll only be 2:15am here when they go on...maybe earlier, as one of the junior ice dance pairs has withdrawn. I might make it!

Do be aware, though, that the livestream has a habit of cutting out unexpectedly in the middle of a skate - I think Facebook can only produce videos that are a certain length. If it happens, you just need to go back to the main page and hit refresh until the new stream comes up. :)
 
Harriet said:
Well, who knows, it'll only be 2:15am here when they go on...maybe earlier, as one of the junior ice dance pairs has withdrawn. I might make it!

Do be aware, though, that the livestream has a habit of cutting out unexpectedly in the middle of a skate - I think Facebook can only produce videos that are a certain length. If it happens, you just need to go back to the main page and hit refresh until the new stream comes up. :)
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Ugh. Way beyond what I can muster. I need to start working around 7.15 am, and unfortunately I don't live on 4 hours of sleep a night.

Thanks for the refresh tip, best to refresh the page in between programs then.
I have loaded the page but will wait 3 more hours before I load the stream. Unless someone starts seeing incredible stuff.
 
Enjoy! I'll definitely be catching up in the morning, can't wait to see what you all have to say about the RD...
 
There are about 150-160 people watching now. Let's see how that will explode in half an hour...
 
Gotlev said:
I think my remark sounded harsher than I meant it. I seriously will be forever grateful to MFD for what she and Patrice did with GG. I'm convinced that they created the space in which GG's talent was able to blossom, and I think her choreographies were really great.

I don't mean at all to insinuate that she consciously chose to give less time or energy to GG in the Oddudua year. But I cannot shake off the feeling that that somehow happened, and I find that GG's talent should be treasured and cherished and nurtured and pampered and should be given attention to every single second of the day. They should have someone at their beck and call at all times. There should be someone who's life it is to think about their programs day and night, someone that is simply fully devoted to their talent and progress. Someone who is not spending time on others. This sounds probably insane, but I really do feel that such talent deserves no less. Handing over responsibility to them (as with the dress disaster) sounds mature and all, but I don't give a damn about it. They are prodigies and should be treated as such. Extraordinary talent calls for extraordinary care. They should get someone's undivided attention. Someone should be living for them to have the best program they can possibly have.

I'm not saying that she doesn't want to be that. It's just that she cannot be that. Unless she drops all of her other teams. Which is absurd obviously.
Is Hanyu Yuzuru not in a situation where people are simply there for HIM, for him alone, and for nobody else, to make sure he can perform at his best? I don't know if that's the case, but from the idolization I can hardly imagine it isn't.

I concede that I maybe wrong in wanting this and that I am considering only the show side and the outer perspective. Since it did not happen like that, the universe must have decided that their personality development and maturity - gained from harsh experiences - is more important.

(I have vague memories of already having had this discussion - am I connecting to an alternative universe or did we already go through this and am I simply rehashing old stuff?)
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Don't worry ;) I really did not read it as a criticism.
But I can see where you come from. There was a clear difference between the 15-16 and 16-17 seasons and some people actually believe that P/C were let down by MFD. They had a hard time ajusting to the new training environment and IMO they were not at ease at all during the first season of V/M's return. Perhaps it was just a lot of pressure for them to compete against such experienced athletes. Besides, they did two risky programs and challenged themselves before being challenged by V/M. Double challenge for everyone ^^.
And while MDF was not as much with them in front of the cameras, this does not mean she was not with them behind close doors. While they made many mistakes during the 16-17 season, they still improved a lot. And they found their marks the season after, growing strong and confident.
However, I definitely think that MFD did not really have a choice either. After all, V/M are canadians and I believe that after Sochi, the fans and the public were expecting the new coaching team to be fully behind V/M. So MFD might not have really a choice but to be a little less present for P/C during competitions to show that she was giving all the attention to V/M.
Now I watched quite a few interviews given by P/C after the games. They don't seem to hold any grudges against anyone and they renewed their trust and showed loyalty by staying in Montreal. MDF was with them in Milan and she was not scared to show how she felt about those two new world records :). Everyone tried to accomadate to this new situation and it was probably not easy but they managed it. And I am happy they stayed at Gadbois. They are talented skaters but they found there what makes them so special. And if that training regimen fits them and makes them happy, then they should stay. Besides, they are also working with some of the best skaters ever so they'll keep getting better and better.
But that is definitely an intresting topic. Though, I suspect some things happened whether it's with V/M or their own coaching teams. It would not be so far fetched to suppose their were some tensions. P/C said they felt less stressed during worlds. They all are competitors after all ;)
 
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