Lets get back on track you guys...............
What I think karne meant (I apologize if I'm getting this wrong), is that yes, the USA Gymnastics women's program is insanely successful. The team golds that were won in 2012 and 2016 weren't even close. I think the margin was 8 points in Rio, which I think is the equivalent to 8 goals in footie. But there was an environment of toxicity that crept up and was tolerated, which could lead to very damaging things to happen, including abuse of athletes.
Another thing to consider when thinking about the USA Gymnastics "Marta Karolyi" ranch camps - gymnastics is a younger girl's sport than figure skating is. I can't see that kind of environment working with too many athletes that are older than 20-21. I think younger girls are more likely to be obedient to that type of environment. Once someone has "come of age", they tend to be a lot more free-willed.
i'd rather us figure skating not developing a culture of rampant sexual abuse stretching on for a period of twenty or more years which is covered up by the board and athletes who speak out are discredited or dropped, thanks. Maybe that's what you want, but it's not what i want.
Hey guys, maybe you can clarify some things for me, as I am not american :
I realize that having Kristi, Nancy, Tonya, Michelle, Tara, Sasha and Sarah between 1992 and 2006 made the US dominant in the Ladies category. But why isn't the US moving on ? It's okay not to have the results from before in one category but the media kept inventing some sort of rivalry between Gold and Wagner, when obviously, the youngster might even sweep the podium next nationals ? And the USFS doesn't seem to care for that. There is no need to put media pressure on these girls, just to end up disappointed. It's okay that you want to have a legacy, but the US has so much more to offer.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but from a non-american point of view : you make us feel like if you don't win, it's worthless. And you'll forget about it. This is really how we might perceive things here.
So luckily, I see Nathan getting more sponsors (Coca-Cola IIRC). But if I had 3 US Ice Dance teams in the top 6-7 teams in the world (honestly they could have been 3-4-5 at worlds if it wasn't for mistakes), I would promote them BIG TIME. Especially if my country is the current Olympic Gold ! You promote them to try to continue the "takeover", the "tradition", like you did with the Ladies ! Shibsibs has 36K+ subscribers on Youtube ! Maddie and Evan are like that rock'n'roll couple that you want to hang out with. Maddie and Zachary are that cool, edgy, on-ice tormented couple (and very likeable). It's like USFS isn't taking ID seriously, why, because they don't jump ? Annoying.
Also, on the TSL twitter account, Dave mentionned something intersting : If Tessa&Scott were americans, the USFS would have promoted the hell out of HER I know that a lot of people disagree with him on a lot of things (including me) but I can't help but think that might be true (scott looks somehow more discreete when it comes to media) but Tessa has star potential. And a question for CANADIANS please : how popular are V/M in Canada please ? (precisely)
Thank you
And sorry if these questions have already been answered, I didn't look at the whole thread.
Well the title of this thread contains "USFS" which stand for United States Figure Skating. For that reason alone, I assume this thread would focus on what the USA organization can do to promote skating in the USA, not what other countries can do to promote skating in other countries. Sorry to sound so snarky.
I think the culture in the USA prefers a lady skater over a male skater or a skating couple. Why? Not exactly sure but it may be more of the media's preference over the public's preference. The media will not be happy until the USA get a #1 lady again.
Let's face it, there are certain sports where one sex dominates media coverage. For example, there are are both professional male and female pro basketball teams in the USA. The male teams dominate in terms of public interest and money. Unfair but that is reality.
My personal view is the USFA is pretty content with things where they are right now. They have real medal contenders in 2 disciplines (men's and dance). Whether or not they have a ladies contender depends on the way the wind is blowing that particular day. Even if they were truly unhappy, USFA really doesn't have the money to change things. The ice is slippery so there are no "safe" bets.
The implication that anyone here (or anyone not here, like Dave Lease) wants USFS to develop a system in which children can be abused is pretty disgusting, and a poor argument that isn't engaging with the actual points being made.
At minimum, as a first step in the right direction, USFS should start doing live streamed test skates at the start of each season. Encourage skaters to have their programs worked out early, be in shape and ready to go. The knowledge that the performances will be viewed will put on a bit of pressure and raise the bar.
The implication that anyone here (or anyone not here, like Dave Lease) wants USFS to develop a system in which children can be abused is pretty disgusting, and a poor argument that isn't engaging with the actual points being made.
I would say that among the current Canadian skaters they are the top draw for fans. The gold medal at the Olympics in Vancouver has given them wider and deeper fan recognition that other skaters though I would say that while the Americans are always looking for the Ice Princess, Canada is always looking for its Ice King and so Patrick Chan also gets his fair share of attention. This can be seen in the scheduling of events like Skate Canada where last year the Men and the Ice Dance were the evening events on Friday and Saturday.And a question for CANADIANS please : how popular are V/M in Canada please ? (precisely)
I would say that among the current Canadian skaters they are the top draw for fans. The gold medal at the Olympics in Vancouver has given them wider and deeper fan recognition that other skaters though I would say that while the Americans are always looking for the Ice Princess, Canada is always looking for its Ice King and so Patrick Chan also gets his fair share of attention. This can be seen in the scheduling of events like Skate Canada where last year the Men and the Ice Dance were the evening events on Friday and Saturday.
Probably not - they wear skates but the wrong type.Yes for the fans, but I wanted to know if they are known to a lambda Canadian Citizen
For example : Brian Joubert in France was known by a lot of people, not necessarily for the results or anything, but people in France knew him.
P/C are starting to get known (Everytime they enter Euros or Worlds, the end up in the news in the main French Channel because they like them there, they put them first several times BEFORE international news) but SOME people just know that there is "this figure skating couple who wins a lot" but I expect that to change after PyeongChang.