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what does it have to do with their hands movements?
How important is costuming?
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what does it have to do with their hands movements?
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I have no idea.
That was a funny question. I'm going to have a look at Patrick's POTO.OK, I just had a look at Patrick's POTO and Johnny's right. "Star Fish Hands" but only briefly. However, Patrick is a Judges dream. His Posture and Carriage are perfect and unlike Todd. Patrick keeps his shoulders down when he gestures and when he's dancing. I thought his "Take Five" SP was a Masterpiece.
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Costumes obviously matter just as choice of music does. It has a rather direct implication with choreography and interpretation under PCS. Even if you want to deny its importance out of principles, you have to admit that it would be a lot more difficult to project to and communicate with the audience if you wear costumes that are totally disconnected with the music and choreo you skate to. (Imagine, say, wearing Charlie Chaplin while skating to Swan Lake) Not impossible, but more difficult.
Having said that, I personally prefer subtlety over extravagance when it comes to costumes. Not because I do not like flamboyance but because it is, in my opinion, just as difficult to suspend audience's disbelief wearing something too literal as to do so wearing something nonsensical. You can appear clownish and outlandish unless your performance is absolutely convincing.
Having said that, I personally prefer subtlety over extravagance when it comes to costumes. Not because I do not like flamboyance but because it is, in my opinion, just as difficult to suspend audience's disbelief wearing something too literal as to do so wearing something nonsensical. You can appear clownish and outlandish unless your performance is absolutely convincing.
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Good question.....Here's my best answer. What gloves would have done for Todd was finish the "Line" from his shoulder through his fingertips. Todd had a tendency to spread his fingers almost to the point of having "Jazz Hands" even during lyrical moments. His other problem was his costume. Black, with a turtle neck, and long sleeves. It screamed for gloves.
Watch Joshua Farris' free skate from last season. He probably has the best hands and arms I've ever seen. Watch the ending 5 seconds of his LP from 4cc last year. Brilliant. Holy cow.....I forgot Adam. Great hands!! However, Josh still wins the "Hand Off." That's the name of my best hands competition.
I just double checked to make sure I was right and yes. It's his 2001 SP from Worlds in Vancouver. Have a look and you'll see what I mean.
Gee, a "hands" competition? I can't picture Todd with gloves during a comp. During warm-ups, yes, he does wear them. Not all of his costumes are black. I did like his Carmina Burana/Mythodea costume (2001/2002 sp) black with striking red stripes (very Wylie-esque). My favorite costumes of his happen to be blue (1996 First Knight, 1997 - Independence Day/2000 - The Glory (Todd recycles costumes sometimes), 1998 First Knight (Worlds & the Goodwill Games).
Back to the hands - I did think Todd was very expressive with his hands in his performances of one of his (signature) programs "Il Mare Calmo de La Sera."
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Costume is simple case of dress appropriate.
As an amazing candidate with excellent credentials and capability as anyone who turn up in a bank job interview in jeans and t-shirt while everyone dress up in suits won't get the attention he/she deserve. If they turn up in a clown suit, it will certainly even hamper their chances even more unless the job description is: Clown.
As an amazing candidate with excellent credentials and capability as anyone who turn up in a bank job interview in jeans and t-shirt while everyone dress up in suits won't get the attention he/she deserve. If they turn up in a clown suit, it will certainly even hamper their chances even more unless the job description is: Clown.
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I had no idea that clowns dressed up as clowns for their interviews. I guess it makes sense when you think about it. :yes:
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Exactly. This is an example. Without the program this costume is ridiculous, but in context with the program I think it's perfect.
Without an appropriate costume something is missing because they're interpreting music.
And they always wore costumes in the past, except when doing figures. There's something to be said for tradition. But still sponsors could design the costumes if this would help this sport, maybe it would.
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I think that people were more upset with a scoring system that allows skaters to fall without paying much of a price on the scoresheet. Patrick unfortunately took the pie-in-the-face as the poster child for this situation (which wasn't his fault, of course).
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It's kind of jarring to reflect that Yagudin is no longer a "skater of the past decade."
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Agree on the posture and carriage. I also agree that he was the "judges' dream" -- as was consistently reflected in his marks. He was the first skater really to get the CoP.
Take Five is my second favorite Patrick Chan program. (Although I do think that it suffered from the problem of, "you can't tell the players without a program.") If Lori Nichol hadn't told us explicitly what the story line was supposed to be, we wouldn't have been able to figure out why he was miming getting slapped in the face, etc.) My absolute favorite Patrick program was the first version of Four Seasons, as performed at the 2008 Canadian Championships. (No quads to confuse the issue and detract from the program.
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I hope you didn't think that I was criticizing Todd's (or anyone's) hands. Todd is my guy! I was just puzzled by the gloves comment.
It depends how you're defining "costumes" and "in the past."
Competition clothes up until the mid-1970s were pretty understated, although in many cases not something that would be worn on the street.
Professional show skating had always used more elaborate costumes, and around the mid-70s that started to be reflected more in the competition clothes, with the use of more sequins and stoning, and then illusion fabric. And the more conservative officials at the time did not consider those kinds of costumes appropriate for athletic competition. They would have said "there's something to be said for tradition" and the tradition they knew was that competitive skating was not show business.
Of course freeskating became a lot more show biz-like throughout the 1980s and 90s, so if we consider that as part of the tradition from today's perspective, elaborate or revealing costumes definitely have a place in the history of the sport.
My personal take is that the most important thing should be that clothing showcases and enhances what the skater is doing on the ice without distracting. And should make the skater feel confident.
Different fans and different judges have their personal pet peeves that they find distracting (e.g., gloves, over-the-boot tights) and some are officially illegal (tights instead of trousers for men), all of which are just fine with me.
My personal preference is simple elegance or sportiness, but of course it depends on the theme of the specific program.
If the skater is happy with what they're wearing and I'm not paying more attention to the clothing than the skating, then it's fine with me. If the clothing helps set an appropriate mood or mindset for me to understand the purpose of the program, all the better.
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Yes! Out of all the 'lists' I've been doing on YouTube lately, the Best/Worst Costumes vids are the ones really taking off -- especially the Worst.
I think I need to jump on this stuff when the actual season is happening, rather than just post-season lists!Yes! Out of all the 'lists' I've been doing on YouTube lately, the Best/Worst Costumes vids are the ones really taking off -- especially the Worst.
such as the best costume of all time or even better the worst costume of all time.
plus you won't have OG issues.
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Okay, why don't we play a game? Like "Caption this" but only for costumes?
Like this http://skatingfugly.tumblr.com/post/100993765500/its-possible-theres-a-beautiful-skating-dress
Like this http://skatingfugly.tumblr.com/post/100993765500/its-possible-theres-a-beautiful-skating-dress
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Okay, why don't we play a game? Like "Caption this" but only for costumes?
Like this http://skatingfugly.tumblr.com/post/100993765500/its-possible-theres-a-beautiful-skating-dress
I'll play!
For Liza's:
Well, I wore my muumuu to the beach, and I didn't have time to change before skating...so, here I am!
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...afik_Besseghier_2010_Trophée_Eric_Bompard.JPG
Now caption that!
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WTH is my blue belt !!!!!!!! I know someone in the audience has it. Well....which one of you is it???
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Well so much for the intention of this thread - read the guidelines for the thread - the goal was no mocking or making fun or dramatic sarcasm about costumes and of course we did that oh well. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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I guess they were scared of the spider. I know it is just me but Adam Rippon ressembles Judge Judy after an over processed chemical peel or facelift
