Re: If and When I Offend........
Joe,
You said in your post,
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>rGirl - You are out of order and absolutely wrong to make false statements!!! I was the only moderator at the time and I did send PM to Fetal to delete or change the signature piece. Don't ever start rumors like that again. Cynic did get a PM too.[/quote] I think perhaps you misread my post to Fetal. I'd appreciate it if you reread it and also read the post by Fetal I was responding to. <blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Fetal, Just to clarify, Cynic was making the comparison that you didn't get posts from any of the moderators telling you to remove your religious signature for months, while she got two very pointed warnings within 24 hours that she had not removed her signature, even though it was just because she had a computer problem. If anybody doesn't remember the tons of fire and brimstone you got from a certain poster (a few others of us also got a taste of it, though we didn't get the tonnage), then they weren't reading GS.[/quote] Note that it says, "Cynic was making the comparison that you [Fetal] didn't get <strong>posts</strong> from any of the moderators telling you to remove your religious signature for months, while she got two very pointed warnings within 24 hours that she had not removed her signature..." I never said you didn't send Fetal any PMs. I know you sent him many PMs, but I was addressing a single and specific issue in this post. Also, I never said you didn't send Cynic any PMs. In a previous post, I <em>asked</em> if you had sent her a PM, but that's all. (I never got a reply from you on that, not that you were obligated to do so.) I'm sorry if I didn't explain the entire situation with both Fetal and Cynic adequately, but I think for you to say that I was starting "rumors" is incorrect and unfair. This is the second time since Friday ("Sasha's Programs" re my response to Realistic, see link)that you've blown up over a post I've written and accused me, basically, of trying to make trouble.
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I apologized online for any misunderstandings the post replying to Realistic on the "Sasha's Programs" thread might have caused and promised not to post again on that issue. I also apologized for several things and tried to explain my POV to you via PM.
You also wrote: <blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I was the only moderator at the time..."[/quote] I'm sorry if I was mistaken, but I was going by the information on the "Moderators and Hosts" link under "Forum Info" on the main page, which is the same information in the following post from Paula in the Feedback folder:
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<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>GSK8
Administrator
ezSupporter
Forum Moderators
Posted: 4/28/02 12:07:39 pm
Currently, the below hold the following positions:
Joesitz - Forum Moderator
SkateDustin - Forum Moderator
sk8ing lady2001 - Forum Moderator
sk8wave - Forum Host[/quote] I've never been able to find a post or anything in the forum guidelines stating a change from that policy, although I know that new moderators were chose about a month ago. If I missed an announcement that you were the only moderator or should have known by some other means, I'm sorry. I know you always did virtually all the moderating work; I was just trying to be accurate and fair to who I thought were the other moderators. My mistake.
Finally you said: <blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Also your defence interventions does not cover everyone in the forum but only those you choose. That's ok, but let it be known that you do this.[/quote] Of course in those cases where I feel an individual poster has been misunderstood, misquoted, or mistreated in a serious enough way that I should say something it's a person I choose. Everybody "chooses" whom they defend. Some chose to defend Fetal in his situation while others chose to defend Paula in her position on that matter. However, for one thing, I haven't just defended individuals; I've also defended the forum as a whole on a number of occasions, most recently: "As for your feeling that there are frequent group bashings of individual posters on GS, with that I mus disagree. Having been around for years, I don't think I've ever seen a true group bashing."
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Ultimately, I'm just stating my opinion.
I have my point of view on things, Joe, just as you and everyone does. But if you think I have a "list" of only certain people I "defend" and a "list" of those I won't, or that I would only defend posters who agree with my point of view, you couldn't be more wrong. To go to what I think is at the heart of the matter, if I saw a Kwan fan being misunderstood, misquoted, or mistreated, I would say something about it. In fact, I have. Back in January, when Apache Apache started a thread entitled "Michelle's Spins"
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a few posters then and previously had suggested that Apache was starting negative threads about Michelle. I felt some people misunderstood where Apache was coming from and tried to gently address the situation. Since Apache quoted me in his response, I will list his post here. However I've also provided the link to the entire page of posts, which includes mine, so you and others can read it if they wish. In fact, I wish you would read not only my post but those in response to my post as well.
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>ApacheApache
New Post Re: Michelle's spins
Posted: 1/13/03 12:31:19 pm
Rgirl said "Just to clarify something about ApacheApache, since s/he doesn't often post here. For those who might not be familiar with ApacheApache, s/he has stated in previous posts that he is new to skating so he asks a lot of questions, and also, that the only reason he even became interested in skating was because of Michelle, whom he absolutely loves. Without Michelle, AA has said he wouldn't even have paid attention to skating. So ApacheApache is a true Kwan fan, just so that's clear."
Rgirl, thanks so much. I appreciate it. I can't believe you remember that <img src=
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In general, I think--in fact I know--a few people have pigeonholed me as being a "Kwan hater" and as someone who "lumps all Kwan fans together [as being crazy]." It's not true, it's never been true, yet I am judged by a few people (and I do emphasize "few" because that's all I know of) by sheer inference and a couple of sentences taken out of context from a couple of posts written three years ago, despite everything I've written since. (If anybody is interested in these "infamous" posts, again, you can PM me.)
It's also been said by a few that the "Detente" thread was yet another example of me being a troublemaker. For what it's worth, with the "Detente" thread, I was trying to provide a forum where people could discuss problems between Kwan fans and nonKwan fans in the hope of improving relations and communication. Obviously improved relations and communication was not the result; that was my intent, but it is my failure. I have also been described as the poster who "spreads negativity throughout [GS]." (I won't post a link for that last quote, but if people want verification of it, they can PM me.) When this kind of thing comes from a few people I don't know and who don't know me (and it has for years), or people I know can't stand me and never will, I don't care. But when it comes from people I consider "forum friends," it hurts.
Joe, as always, you (and anyone) are welcome to PM me about any problems you feel I am creating. In fact I wish you would.
Rgirl
