But Evan at the WC had help from other skaters who messed up ...
Hmm..., are there any cases where the winner in e.g. WC or OG did not have help from other skaters, because they messed up more or less?
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But Evan at the WC had help from other skaters who messed up ...
Hmm..., are there any cases where the winner in e.g. WC or OG did not have help from other skaters, because they messed up more or less?
Off the top my head - the 1998 Olympic Ladies competition - not a single error from the three podium ladies (ignoring Chen's 3/3 which - who was she kidding she was never going to land it, but she still stood up).
1996 Ladies World - Chen and Kwan were foot perfect and it came down to judges marks.
I want to say at least one (if not two) of the Stojko/Eldredge showdowns in the mid 90s.
Yagudin and Pluscehnko late 90-early 2000s - certainly 2002 SLC - of course Plushenko took hmiself out in the SP, but the LPs didn't come down to errors, and Yags still got it.
Of course all of my examples bar none are under 6.0...COP is not so much about error-free programmes!
Ant
Just to add to Ant's 6.0 examples:Hmm..., are there any cases where the winner in e.g. WC or OG did not have help from other skaters, because they messed up more or less?
What about Plush's so-so skate in 2006, there were others that could have won tha,t but the Men's division turned into a splatfest. Plush deserved to win despite the humongous PC scores which were not needed because of his reputation anyway as well as the splatfest.
Speaking of manipulation, was there any of the 30 skaters in Olys being dragged in media for their weaknesses in various aspects of their skating apart from Plush? He has many weakness sure, did media bothered with any other skater? Can you name one? Before the competition after the sp and before and while the LP? I havent seen a single reportage of the weakness of Lambiel, Joubert, Oda, Dai, you name it or anyone who threatened the precious Gold.
Morning shows and I saw extended reports of his practices, did he wear black or not, did he jump 4 quads in practice or not, did he spoke to Mishin, did he glance anyone while skating, did he blow his nose? Oh he did blew it two times, what does this mean?? From Quadchenko villain to he should be marked around 4 in pcs in broadcast from commentators just before the sp had even started , to quad vs artistry , comments from Caroll that he has not much anything else contrary to some else who have artistry and quality (artistry who? They were not talking about Lambiel or Abott). Accompanied with laughs and irony and in the Gala they remembered ah what an amazing athlete he is. I read silently all these days and I dont think Plush should have won or something, neither I applause his reactions but I hate one way bashing, you miss the big picture and I dont know many skaters who could have handled this pressure for long, sometimes people react at the end.
It is not always a pleasant thing to be the favorite going into the Olympics (which Plush was, both to me, and to the media). So of course they reported on the state of his quad and his nose. Endlessly. They did the same about YuNa, another prohibitive favorite. However, giving the coaches (think Carroll) of competitors media space to bash him was not right & not cool. IMO.
Stuff on nbcolympics website and universal sports.
1996 Worlds, Todd & Kulik both skated clean and perfect, I guess Kulik in the LP did 2 3Fs, but none in combo, so probably one of them was discounted.
I just happen to think in this case that Plushenko wasn't trying to sabotage Joubert on purpose...
Hmm..., are there any cases where the winner in e.g. WC or OG did not have help from other skaters, because they messed up more or less?
His sp was not so and so, 4-3 and all crystal clean and the drama of Tosca that judges seemed to love, and Lp was watered down in anything else, but still the jumps were clean apart from a flip or something, I think it was clear back then that none would be close if he was clean.
My fav between Plush and Yag was grand prix final 2002 where there was one judge difference between then and they both were fighting for the title, amazing competition.
And in CoP days, I realy enjoyed the mens Worlds 2008, I dont remember many splats there.
Ilia did a mistake, he forgot to jump triple flip in combination (as he did earlier in Centennial On Ice competition).
As in this case, generally somebody wins because his nearest competitors do a mistake of some kind, at least something more than what the winner did, LOL.
- OG 1988 in freeskate Orser had two mistakes, I believe
- OG 1992 Petrenko was not faultless, but he had a triple axel combination
- OG 1994 Stojko did not magage to jump the quad, Urmanov even with his one mistake was better 8-1
- OG 1998 Ilia was clearly the best, Stojko did not jump the quad and had he some other problem, too? I don´t want to watch his skating willingly, so I cannot check, LOL
- 2002 Plushenko had a mistake in sp and did he have something also in fs?
- 2006 Plushenko was best, the others had mistakes
- 2010 Lysacek was best, Plushenko (shaky jumps) and Takahashi had some mistakes
I was not 100 % clear in my previous posting, I meant in men´s competitions (not in ladies, pairs or ice dance).
orser had one or two minor mistakes but so did boitano. One of them had a step out I think and the other had a two foot. something like that.
Plush had a mistake in his LP in 2002. Yags left out his second 3a. Scott Hamilton made a huge deal about that wondering if Goebel might have won the freeskate over Yags. Yeah right... Yags one by a mile as he should have.
Ilia did a mistake, he forgot to jump triple flip in combination (as he did earlier in Centennial On Ice competition).
As in this case, generally somebody wins because his nearest competitors do a mistake of some kind, at least something more than what the winner did, LOL.
- OG 1988 in freeskate Orser had two mistakes, I believe
- OG 1992 Petrenko was not faultless, but he had a triple axel combination
- OG 1994 Stojko did not magage to jump the quad, Urmanov even with his one mistake was better 8-1
- OG 1998 Ilia was clearly the best, Stojko did not jump the quad and had he some other problem, too? I don´t want to watch his skating willingly, so I cannot check, LOL
- 2002 Plushenko had a mistake in sp and did he have something also in fs?
- 2006 Plushenko was best, the others had mistakes
- 2010 Lysacek was best, Plushenko (shaky jumps) and Takahashi had some mistakes
I was not 100 % clear in my previous posting, I meant in men´s competitions (not in ladies, pairs or ice dance).
orser had one or two minor mistakes but so did boitano. One of them had a step out I think and the other had a two foot. something like that.
Plush had a mistake in his LP in 2002. Yags left out his second 3a. Scott Hamilton made a huge deal about that wondering if Goebel might have won the freeskate over Yags. Yeah right... Yags one by a mile as he should have.