Is GOAT a meaningful concept?

[DizzyFrenchie]

Unbiased people like... the ones on twitter? You could always look at the archives on here, however.


Please welcome me to your club, then.


what is 'overscoring world records'? Do you really believe there are no competitions between '2014 Olympic women' and "overscoring world records" and that I've never said anything about them? lol


Did you even bother watching this competition? I'm not just speaking about HIS performance. His performance existed among several other men, multiple of whom should have been placed ahead of him. Misha Ge should have won that competition.


Was he underscored for his camel spin here that travels on the entry, bobble when he achieves the position, drops the free leg significantly as he tries to catch his foot, and slows down by the end visibly?

Because from what I see he got a bunch of +3s and +4s along with the full level call for this attempt. https://youtu.be/usRntZb4404?si=V6CSBneEdfw_iHMH

World Records are made to be surpassed, and this one, if it was one (I'm not competent on this, but it may be one, since the introduction of the IJS of course) was certainly surpassed.
Which "ones on Twitter" do you mean? I mean, people who can score a Single Skate (pre-2018 being an added difficulty) and who feel able to watch this Skate and to score it?
Really you tempt me, Yfan, I think we'd rather stop this out of topic matter, if you want to argue on pretended instances of overscoring of Yuzuru Hanyu, I believe that you ought to open another thread where it wouldn't be out of topic. What you are doing currently is derailing this topic and leave me the "choice" between going on derailing to fix your errors, or being more clear.

 

[labgoat]

there is another goat in this forum @labgoat

loving the goofy fainting goat videos tributes.
I may have to use these from time to time when someone takes my breath away with their skating

 

[labgoat]

I prefer to have a stable of goats - no way do I want to choose between Tai & Randy, Barbara & Paul, Rodnina & Zaitsev, Gordeeva & Grinkov or Mishkutionok & Dmitriev, Kazakova & Dmitriev, Shen & Zhao, and all the others after. Bringing back the fun...

 

[yfan1]

Which "ones on Twitter" do you mean? I mean, people who can score a Single Skate (pre-2018 being an added difficulty) and who feel able to watch this Skate and to score it?

You could always go read the archives and watch the competition yourself. The archive especially contains people who, I'm sure, bothered to watch the competition before deciding someone was being 'biased'.

How useless is this conversation if you cannot bother to do so.

if you want to argue on pretended instances of overscoring of Yuzuru Hanyu, I believe that you ought to open another thread where it wouldn't be out of topic. What you are doing currently is derailing this topic and leave me the "choice" between going on derailing to fix your errors, or being more clear.

"Pretended instances"... I'm sure you're entirely unbiased. Are my "errors" similar to how he skids on his flying entry on that camel spin?

By all means, open a new thread and educate me. I look forward to it. And I'd say the one who derailed the topic is the one who yet again posted what the ISU social media handler said online in their latest attempt to farm social media engagement.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Oh, now that is embarrassing!

Hah, you’d think! But other than V/M my personal IJS GOATs (which of course changes from time to time) aren’t Canadian (some runners up, yeah).

Women:
Kim
(Alt: Asada, Kwan, Slutskaya, Kostner)

Men:
Chen
(Alts: Hanyu, Malinin, Chan, Takahashi)

Pairs:
Shen/Zhao
(Alts: Savchenko/Szolkowy-Massot, Sui/Han, Duhamel/Radford)

Dance:
Virtue/Moir
(Alts: Papadakis/Cizeron, White/Davis, Chock/Bates)

 

[Mathman]

I was leaning towards Nikolai Panin, but I respect your choice!

The coolest thing that I ever read-out Nikolai Panin is tha when he was a child his parents could afford only one pair or ice skates for him to share with his sister. She got th left boot and he got the right. That is how he became Olympic champion in the discipline of "special figures."

 

[Diana Delafield]

Hah, you’d think! But other than V/M my personal IJS GOATs aren’t Canadian (some runners up, yeah).

Women:
Kim
(Alt: Asada, Kwan, Slutskaya, Kostner)

Men:
Chen
(Alts: Hanyu, Malinin, Chan, Takahashi)

Pairs:
Shen/Zhao
(Alts: Savchenko/Szolkowy-Massot, Sui/Han, Duhamel/Radford)

Dance:
Virtue/Moir
(Alts: Papadakis/Cizeron, White/Davis, Chock/Bates)

I didn't think you'd include my partner and me . I wouldn't include us myself, if I were ever to make a list. I just chose that picture of us the last time I changed avatars because it fit the space nicely and I liked its look as a work of photographic art, with the angled lines of bodies and staircases crossing each other. My ego isn't THAT overinflated !

 

[Mathman]

Hmmm.

Greatest of IJS Skating.

Women: Yuna Kim/Mao Asada. Joint first because I think they are 'opposite' skaters, with Yuna having better toe jumps, Mao having better edge jumps. Yuna having more speed and deeper edges, but Mao having better edge control. Yuna having better technique jumps, but Mao attempting harder content. So on. Even in terms of musicality, I thought they were opposite, Yuna being more extroverted, and Mao being more introverted lol.

Men: Yuzuru Hanyu.

Pairs: Sui/Han (and it's not close)

Ice Dance: Virtue/Moir. I think they had wonderful power and control, and I simply liked the phase of Ice Dancing when they were at their peak better.

I think that even choosing the greatest of an era is fraught with opinionizing and is hard to pin down.

The best guy in the world -- well, good for him. The the second best guy is pretty good, too, and so is the third best guy. Ilia Malinin dominated his peers -- until he didn't.

A question that I find more intriguing is " which figure skater had the greatest impact on the sport?" IMHO Sonia Henie is hard to beat. She changed the sport from a man's sport to a woman's sport.