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ISU communication 1496 - Folk OD for the Olympics

Although I love Virtue and Moir, it was the folk dance of Canada's other ice dance team Allie Hann-McCurdy and Michael Coreno that captured my attention. Victor Kraatz coaches them here in Vancouver. I think their folk dance was the best and really did capture the flavour of a Canadian folk dance. I think it would be appropriate for this team to perform this same dance at the Olympics as the games will be held here in Vancouver/Whistler. I heard the judges really liked this program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPU6fTltwKU

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I agree with you, Ladskater. I really liked Allie and Michael's dance, too.

I would imagine quite a few teams are going to keep the same OD for Olympic year with some tweaking, of course. The spin will have to be changed.

I think it will be good for the Olympics, you know, world unity and brotherhood and all. It will be fun for the audience to watch as well.

I hope some teams come up with something different, though...Virtue/Moir and Davis/White to name two. I liked their ODs but I'd rather they do something other than Russian. Maybe an Irish dance for D/W.

I liked B/A's OD, though. Hoedown is a classic American folk dance and I think they did a great job. Maybe they will keep it, maybe not since it didn't seem to blow the judges away. Same with the Kerrs although I thought their dance was great, too.

Why is it I find the "Cakewalk" to be so dumb looking? I'm very open-minded when it comes to dance but that just made me laugh. Thanks for the links there, dorispulaski...that helped. I did kinda like the 1930s style one but that one from the 20s was funny and the one from the 40s just made me groan...all those people singing together like that. Don't get me wrong, I love watching old musicals but sometimes the "group numbers" from those 30s, 40s, and 50s movies are just too cheesy for words!
 
Cakewalk tends to look 'dumb' because it was part of the minstrel show/vaudeville 'black face' style of revue, and has an ugly racist overtone to it. You are supposed to be entertained but in a snooty, lord of the manor reviewing the slaves' rustic dances kind of way. That's the origin. Then it evolved into that very cheesy 40's version.

I went to UVM, where "Kakewalk" was a fraternity tradition and part of winter carnival until 1969 (before my time at the school) wnen it was banned for being racist.

A program was done by public TV trying to make sense of the whole cakewalk dance and kakewalk tradition at UVM.

http://media.www.vermontcynic.com/m...Uvm.kakewalk.To.Be.Held.Thursday-186420.shtml
 
Cakewalk dumb? the music is ragtime and that's what is being asked for as rhythm. It's not a waltz and that is what will keep it from being used in competition. Ya gotta have rhythm Not the dance steps according to instructions. Think Judy Garland and "Waitin fur de Robert E. Lee."

Joe
 
Cakewalk tends to look 'dumb' because it was part of the minstrel show/vaudeville 'black face' style of revue, and has an ugly racist overtone to it. You are supposed to be entertained but in a snooty, lord of the manor reviewing the slaves' rustic dances kind of way. That's the origin. Then it evolved into that very cheesy 40's version.

I went to UVM, where "Kakewalk" was a fraternity tradition and part of winter carnival until 1969 (before my time at the school) wnen it was banned for being racist.

A program was done by public TV trying to make sense of the whole cakewalk dance and kakewalk tradition at UVM.

http://media.www.vermontcynic.com/m...Uvm.kakewalk.To.Be.Held.Thursday-186420.shtml

Thanks for the history, Doris... it's always interesting to find out just where these dances come from!
 
Skating's version of the original shaggy dog joke

One thing that I'd like to see in the folk OD is a requirement that the skaters submit a video recording of the dance they are emulating to a judging committee before any of these dances are danced on ice. The judging committee would rule whether the dance/music is acceptably folk. And the recordings would be passed on to judges for events that these skaters were competing in.

A real weakness of this year's OD's was that the judges' were fairly clueless about the dances they were judging and yet there was a requirement that each move show the character of the folk dance.

I actually think the judges did a fairly good job with Russian folk and gypsy rhythms. And we have had flamenco and polka many times, so they understand them well. Other than that? Not.

IMO, there were 3 kinds of problems.

1. Dances criticized for not being folk that actually were, particularly the B&A Skate America version of Appalachian hoedown, resulting in B&A's struggling to find what the judges wanted all year. I can't help feeling that if a judging committee had reviewed a tape of Appalachian dancing, as I did, they would have come to the conclusion that B&A's first version, other than costumes was excellent.

There was also a Jr couple with a blues that was considered 'not folk' (which is also :banghead: worthy decision. If blues is ruled out, it should be ruled out as tango is: a rhythm that is already competed separately, not because it's not folk, because it is.

2. Dances where the music was a zipped up or cartoon version of folk that was somehow more acceptable to the judge's than real folk. :confused: B&A replaced the first part of their OD music with the Rednexx's version of Cotton Eye Joe which is a Swedish Europop style version of an old folk tune. The version of Cotton Eye Joe I knew as a kid was practically a dirge. It appears that B&A did this because Wester and Barantsev got a good reception, winning Nebelhorn, with Rednexx's Cotton Eye Joe.

However, B&A weren't the only occurrence of this. Carron and Jost's Degeneration is a Canadian zipped up version of an old contradance number. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKCRHhmHvjg

Hann McCurdy & Coreno's Logdriver's waltz was based on a Canadian TV cartoon The cartoon starts partway into the clip.:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPDi9DzihrE

And the Jr. couple, Mysliveckova and Novak did a charming number to Ieva's polka which again did relatively well for them, but which is a modern popped up version, and has also been used in a cartoon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNDh_tFIHn4

Now I enjoyed all of these numbers a lot, but since authenticity was supposed to be stressed, this seems rather questionable to me. I think a judge's review panel would help make it clear to both competitors and judges what was folk and what wasn't, and what the typical movements of obscure dances should be.

3. Deliberately obscure dances that looked like what one thinks ought to be folk, but have limited resemblance to their original. BTW, I loved both of these dances as dances, but especially Delobel and Schonfelder's dance was kind of manufactured. F&S did a pizzica, which is an obscure form of tarantella, that was borderline the same problem.
Here's a real pizzica
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YQyrzqDeDU&feature=related
Here's F&S's pizzica
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km2eMggbubQ

For Delobel & Schonfelder's here's a real Breton gavotte:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr7HNtfqX-s
And their Breton gavotte
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNpwZOAIT3E

All 3 of these problems could be solved by a credential committee approving the choice of dance and music well in advance.

If that isn't done, I definitely advise US couples to do zydeco, which is very peppy and very few judges will have any idea what it's supposed to look like.
 
Loved that Breton Gavotte! Very Celtic.

However for music of the 30s and 40s, nothing as far as I know came out of Europe. Most of the new music came from the Americas. Brazil: Samba, Lambada and Bossa Nova which are popular. Cuba before Castro had the Conga, Rhumba, mambo, chachacha. USA had the Texas Two Step. Not sure if Cole Porter's The Continental rates as a dance.


Joe
 
Loved that Breton Gavotte! Very Celtic.

However for music of the 30s and 40s, nothing as far as I know came out of Europe. Most of the new music came from the Americas. Brazil: Samba, Lambada and Bossa Nova which are popular. Cuba before Castro had the Conga, Rhumba, mambo, chachacha. USA had the Texas Two Step. Not sure if Cole Porter's The Continental rates as a dance.


Joe

Lambada doesn't qualify (thank God for that!): it has it's origins on the late 70's, becoming popular on the late 80's early 90's

Bossa Nova could be greay area: the movement started on the late 50's, but the first references began on the 30's and 40,s (but it wasn't bossa nova yet). Not sure if it qualifies as a dance...

But some good and old samba (and well danced) would be great to see.
 
Lambada doesn't qualify (thank God for that!): it has it's origins on the late 70's, becoming popular on the late 80's early 90's

Bossa Nova could be greay area: the movement started on the late 50's, but the first references began on the 30's and 40,s (but it wasn't bossa nova yet). Not sure if it qualifies as a dance...

But some good and old samba (and well danced) would be great to see.

Good old sambas are beautiful, but but it is not too much reconized outside of Brasil
Gafieira it is a nice rhythm, I think Gafieira its one of the roots of the Bossa Nova. It is a very fun and cute tipe of samba end reflects all the culture of what it is beeig a tipical carioca.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj2GrLegy4I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfqdMHoa05o&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fnzA3p3ARQ

wiki link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gafieira
:thumbsup:
 
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