Jason Brown
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Translation. . . . my trump card theroy is looking good. I don't think he needs a quad to make the world team. And I think landing his first competition quad would be worth far more at worlds than. . . well anywhere but the Olympics.
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Go for it Jason!!!
Oh wow, I hope he's been holding off on the quad this season to ensure that he nails it for Worlds... He's got the goods and the work ethic, he just needs to be in the right state of mind. Which is why I'm glad he's with Kori and Rohene; they really stress the mental part of skating as well as the physical. All the luck to Jason! 
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Thx, Golden. Holy Moley. So all I need to do for six pack abs, male or female, is become an elite skater. No sweat.
Another example of skater core/upper body musculature: Mr. Liam Firus.
(And just for fun, b/c too cute not to share: the Firus boys [at least I am pretty sure that the mini-blond was brother Shane, the ice dancer].)
Sorry, I don't know where the other Max pics are hiding at this point. IIRC, they once were on the USOC website, but his entire profile as a Sochi hopeful has been removed.
I'm 99% certain that they originally were from the USFS photo shoot for Skating magazine's cover story, although they were not used at that time.
(The only bit of good news is that in my fruitless search, I came across some random Max things [unrelated to his physique] that are new to me. Will post in his thread.)
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Yay!
By this I gather that, whether he ends up doing it or no - or makes the World Team at all, of course - he must be feeling pretty good about it, which is lovely to hear!
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Yay!
By this I gather that, whether he ends up doing it or no - or makes the World Team at all, of course - he must be feeling pretty good about it, which is lovely to hear!
Did he ever practice his 3A before actually landing it?
I would say it is likely pretty damn solid if he is saying stuff like this.
Team KoRo is not stupid, they know the game. They know everyone is looking for Jason's quad. I can't see them letting him practice it in such a public setting without having a pretty high degree of confidence and consistency.
You know, quad is quad, it can be consistent in practice, but getting it in competition when your body is feeling nervous is other thing. I hope he will attempt it finally. In my opinion they are waiting with it maybe a bit too long, but we will see
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You know, quad is quad, it can be consistent in practice, but getting it in competition when your body is feeling nervous is other thing. I hope he will attempt it finally. In my opinion they are waiting with it maybe a bit too long, but we will see
But if it were not at least consistent in practice, I don't think he would be moving on to practicing it in public.
I don't think they are waiting too long. They are playing a long game. They don't want Jason to peak too soon in the quad and be old news by 2018. It is longer away than we all think. He could in theroy hold off on adding it till the 2016 GP season, struggle with it, figure out what kinks need to be worked out, then spend 2017 dominating with a quad (or day i say quads) with it not a new thing but something he is comfortable with and has been doing for a bit, and still be before the Olympics. Frankly doing well in 2017 is much more important than anything that happens in 2015.
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Dropping hints about the quad: As we said back in day, "Psych!"
Good for team KoRo, it is a shame that it is a game, but they are playing it well.
As has been said upstream, not that I was around for it, but I have read multiple threads in this and other fora about Jason not having the 3x in a program. Oh he doesn't have a 3x, he'll never podium, he'll never skate with the big dogs, if he has a 3x he should put it in *now*, why is he waiting? It seemed to work out pretty well in the end.
And I do agree with the analysis (was it you StitchMonkey?), why throw the quad in at all. Build up those PCS and GOEs til they are through the roof. Then, when he does have the quad, presto chango, instant contender.
Psych!
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I agree with you and am hoping for the best. Based on my own experience (music), I agree with Han Domi that practice is usually different than competition - adrenaline is not as high, and adrenaline impacts how well you can control your body. However, this is a very public practice, and having announced it publicly, Jason has raised the bar even more, which is likely to result in quite a bit of adrenaline and pressure, and thus better simulate competition conditions. Pretty smart, actually. I wonder if his sports psychologist suggested doing it this way.
I vaguely remembered him mentioning the quad and worlds before in an interview and found it today. It was published on the Russian Sport site in December.
So he's been dropping hints about adding the quad for the last month.
Speaking to team KoRo, here's an adorable picture of Mariah and Athena (They also look like they could be related.)
And, here's Jason and Tyler doing pairs cartwheeling.
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Dropping hints about the quad: As we said back in day, "Psych!"
Good for team KoRo, it is a shame that it is a game, but they are playing it well.
As has been said upstream, not that I was around for it, but I have read multiple threads in this and other fora about Jason not having the 3x in a program. Oh he doesn't have a 3x, he'll never podium, he'll never skate with the big dogs, if he has a 3x he should put it in *now*, why is he waiting? It seemed to work out pretty well in the end.
And I do agree with the analysis (was it you StitchMonkey?), why throw the quad in at all. Build up those PCS and GOEs til they are through the roof. Then, when he does have the quad, presto chango, instant contender.
Psych!
It is not just a points game but a longevity game, which I think a lot of athletes could benefit from playing more and I don't think it is a bad thing. Don't kill your body racing to get something done.
As for the build up idea. I have tossed it out. It is what i have refereed to as my trump card theroy. Just cuz you have it, does not mean you have to use it. Play it when the time is right.
Though in fairness, another thread did bring up the idea that adding new skills when next years spots are on the line was not a great idea. Interesting idea, but frankly I think it is more an issue of how ready the skill is. . . . not like others don't take risks.
Ohh of course it is different, but i doubt it is often easier (and if it is, you likely are relying on adrenaline too much and need to keep learning). You generally have to figure it out in practice first, then you bring it to competition. I actually think the public practice is a great stepping stone between the two. Figure it out in ideal circumstances, then do it out of your comfort zone, see how it feels. It seems like a great way to get a feel for where you stand with something. Maybe you will figure out you need to do some things differently on the road so to speak. Not a guarantee of competition success, but a chance to work out some kinks that are best not discovered in competition.
The public vs competition is interesting as I think they have somewhat different adrenaline aspects. For instance I would think in both music and skating a private performance in front of casual judges in a low key competition would be very different feeling than a very large scale exhibition with people whom you respect and want to impress in the audience. Both will give you adrenaline, but are a bit different.
I would not be surprised at all if a sports psychologist suggested it. I don't think they would unless it was reasonably solid at home though. I have actually wondered if we would see it in an exhibition before a competition for similar reasons. It is not just learning in practice, but also learning it in competition, but also learning it in front of an audience and learning it on the road and maybe a few I am leaving out. If he were to do it in an exhibition, it would give him a chance to do it with an audience watching. If he falls, well he learns how to fall in front of an audience, actually learning to fall on a quad and keep going is also something you have to learn and master. Landing it in an exhibition would be closer to competition than home ice practice.
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I vaguely remembered him mentioning the quad and worlds before in an interview and found it today. It was published on the Russian Sport site in December.
So he's been dropping hints about adding the quad for the last month.
I am hoping a native Russian speaker could help us with translating this. When he says do his best to full fill his program with a quad, is he talking about at worlds or at US Nationals (also refereed to earlier in the article as "World Cup Qualifier" )? It seems it could be either and easily translated wonky.
I think Kori only surrounds herself with cute people!
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Based on my non-native, now-rusty Russian, I would venture to say only the following, FWIW (corrections welcome):
The original Russian (emphases added):
Мы прочитали, что вы хотели делать четверной уже в этом сезоне…
- План такой - как только я буду стабильно приземлять четверной прыжок, так сразу он будет включен в программы. Если это произойдет до чемпионата США, то отобравшись в сборную, я приложу все усилия, чтобы исполнить программы с квадом на чемпионате мира.
- План такой - как только я буду стабильно приземлять четверной прыжок, так сразу он будет включен в программы. Если это произойдет до чемпионата США, то отобравшись в сборную, я приложу все усилия, чтобы исполнить программы с квадом на чемпионате мира.
... я приложу все усилия, чтобы исполнить программы с квадом на чемпионате мира definitely refers to a scenario that would include the quad at the World Championship (championship of the world).
Earlier in this passage, Jason refers to чемпионата США, which means U.S. Championship (championship of USA), but the ambiguity (IMO) is that he [ETA, actually I mean the Russian translation] uses the pronoun это -- which means "this." IMO, it's not clear whether the possibility of это/"this" taking place before U.S. Nats refers to landing his quad stably or to including it in his program.
If "this" (whatever he means by "this") happens, and then he is selected for the (Worlds) team, he will make every effort to execute a program with the quad at Worlds.
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Perhaps I wasn't clear. I didn't mean to suggest that performers rely on adrenaline to give good performances. I actually meant the opposite: in competition you can easily get an excess of adrenaline if you're feeling nervous or under pressure, which can cause your breathing to become shallow and your muscles to tighten up. Everyone is different, but in a singer that might result in a shaky tone, singing flat, or losing high notes. In a skater it might be under rotations, falls or shaky landings, or loss of flow. So by announcing publicly that you're going to practice quads in a very visible situation with an audience, you're increasing the chances of having nerves and too much adrenaline, because you know every one will be watching and judging and perhaps waiting to see you fall, and learning how hard it is for you to execute a quad in that situation and finding ways to manage that before you compete.
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I vaguely remembered him mentioning the quad and worlds before in an interview and found it today. It was published on the Russian Sport site in December.
So he's been dropping hints about adding the quad for the last month.
Speaking to team KoRo, here's an adorable picture of Mariah and Athena (They also look like they could be related.)
And, here's Jason and Tyler doing pairs cartwheeling.
Dear lord, they could be sisters; how adorable.
More team KoRo fun (Jason, Tyler, Mariah and Jordan from Rohene's instagram):
http://instagram.com/p/xppqkcF89J/
Actually I don't think it has an impact on longevity, because for sure he is practicing quad every day with many attempts, so just one -two more at competition is nothing compared to his training propably
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Well, he did say that he will immediately land include the quad in his program if it becomes stable in practice, so the ambiguity is resolved. Anyway, he's making no promises.
