Jason Brown

[TMC]

Don't quote me on this, but it's something like this. After Jason's quad, they said it wasn't too long ago that Patrick Chan was talking about the quad not being necessary. ???That's not the case today.??? Not sure about that last part. Get me some fancy transcription equipment and I might be able to do more.

Thank you! I also think they were saying that his technique is generally very good (during the slomos). I was wondering why on earth he was talking about potatoes when the camera zoomed on to Shoma, and it turned out he was saying something like "potato-nosed"...poor Shoma!

I was considering maybe starting a thread for translated transcripts of videos, do you guys think it would be a good idea?

 

[MGstyle]

Stumbled on this from Evgenia Medvedeva:

https://twitter.com/JannyMedvedeva/status/790251344011599872

I HAD TO retweet that. Good girl Zhenya! :agree:eace:

 

[MGstyle]

BTW one thing I did understand from the Russian commentators, one of them called Shoma "the little humble man with a potato nose" at the very end of the video, which made me burst out laughing I must admit, as annoying as Ms. Tarasova is, she is much easier to understand than these two males though...

 

[Tavi...]

Thank you! I also think they were saying that his technique is generally very good (during the slomos). I was wondering why on earth he was talking about potatoes when the camera zoomed on to Shoma, and it turned out he was saying something like "potato-nosed"...poor Shoma!

I was considering maybe starting a thread for translated transcripts of videos, do you guys think it would be a good idea?

Yes, I think it would be a great idea!

ETA but I think Shoma is cute, not potato-nosed!

 

[LRK]

Thank you! I also think they were saying that his technique is generally very good (during the slomos). I was wondering why on earth he was talking about potatoes when the camera zoomed on to Shoma, and it turned out he was saying something like "potato-nosed"...poor Shoma!

I was considering maybe starting a thread for translated transcripts of videos, do you guys think it would be a good idea?

Very. A while back there was a translation requests thread - something like that would be really useful. I too would like to know what they said (plus I'm curious about what one can hear coaches saying to their students before they send them off - when really audible, but alas, for me, not understandable - or what is said in the k&c.)

 

[Ross74]

Thank you! I also think they were saying that his technique is generally very good (during the slomos). I was wondering why on earth he was talking about potatoes when the camera zoomed on to Shoma, and it turned out he was saying something like "potato-nosed"...poor Shoma!

I believe they also said something about him (Jason) being cat-like.

 

[Arriba627]

Love this photo my friend took of Jason after the medals ceremony. How happy does he look?! At this point, Kori hadn't grounded him yet!

https://pic.twitter.com/3trTOCLoNP

 

[TMC]

Dare I bring this up....what are Jason's chances of making the GPF? Would a bronze at NHK be enough?

 

[Mrs. P]

Ugh so unpredictable. I'd say with a bronze at NHK it's 50-50. But it's hard to say at this stage.

If we had something like

Patrick-Yuzu- Han
Javi-Shoma-Max
Javi-Nathan-Adam
Boyang-Patrick-Han
Yuzuru-Nathan-Jason

Then Jason and Nathan would be in along with Patrick, Shoma, Yuzuru and Hanyu. If TdF results were switched to Adam silver Nathan bronze, then, you would hit a tie breaker situation with Jason, Nathan, and Adam.

But the men are so unpredictable...a number of scenarios could come up. Mura looked great at US Classic, Brezina may return to his former form. We will have a better idea after this weekend.

 

[TMC]

Ugh so unpredictable. I'd say with a bronze at NHK it's 50-50. But it's hard to say at this stage.

If we had something like

Patrick-Yuzu- Han
Javi-Shoma-Max
Javi-Nathan-Adam
Boyang-Patrick-Han
Yuzuru-Nathan-Jason

Then Jason and Nathan would be in along with Patrick, Shoma, Yuzuru and Hanyu. If TdF results were switched to Adam silver Nathan bronze, then, you would hit a tie breaker situation with Jason, Nathan, and Adam.

But the men are so unpredictable...a number of scenarios could come up.

Men in general are unpredictable, but luckily Jason isn't (at least to the same extent)

 

[Mrs. P]

Jason is consistent for sure, but it's how he is relative to other men that will be key. A 260+ score does help in tiebreak prospects though.

 

[StitchMonkey]

Dare I bring this up....what are Jason's chances of making the GPF? Would a bronze at NHK be enough?

Well if Boyang wins COC Jason will be ahead of him for the GPF with a Bronze or better at NHK. Which I think is very doable for Jason. As for the rest... it is just too early to say.

 

[Tavi...]

I think it's too soon to tell.

It's most likely that Chan, Hanyu, Uno, and Javi will take 4 of the 6 places. If we learned anything from SA, though, it's that people we "expect" to win or do well may not. I doubt any of the above 4 will bomb, but as to the other 2 places all we know is that based on their scores at SA, it's unlikely (though perhaps theoretically still possible), that Sergei, Nam, Boyang, or Maxim can qualify, and since Denis Ten, Kevin Reynolds and Daisuke Murakami only have one each, they're out.

Canada will tell us how Chan, Hanyu, Yan and Mura look, but I think we will need to see Max and Kolyada in Russia, and Nathan, Javi, and Adam in France before the picture comes clear. And of course, people like Dennis Vasiljevs could surprise!

 

[TMC]

I can't link on this device, but in the TSL interview at SA, Rohene says he already has Jason's olympic season musics in mind and they're going to start choreographing the programmes in December (so they have time to marinate).

 

[MGstyle]

I am afraid to talk about GPF so as not to knock on any wood... This means it is becoming a tangible possibility for sure but I rather not voice anything beyond that at this point!!!
Music for the Olympic season!!!! OMG, already, I am so excited!!!!!!! :hap93:

 

[StitchMonkey]

I am afraid to talk about GPF so as not to knock on any wood... This means it is becoming a tangible possibility for sure but I rather not voice anything beyond that at this point!!!
Music for the Olympic season!!!! OMG, already, I am so excited!!!!!!! :hap93:

He has been saying that since 2014... i wonder how many times it has changed.

I like the idea of starting it in December to give it more time, I think that is very wise for Jason.

 

[StitchMonkey]

Jason is up for another TeamUSA award.

http://awards.teamusa.org/

 

[Mrs. P]

Inspired by this thread (and cause I was curious). I wondered what Jason's layout could score if he got +3 and maximum PCS.

Here it is. I also put an 90, 85 and 80 percent figure...cause let's face it perfection is tough and it also gives an idea of when a technical upgrade is needed.

SP
TES: 58.00/52.2/49.3/46.4 (Season's best: 43.32/Personal best 45.98) -- 74.7 percent
PCS: 50.00/45/42.5/40.0 (Season's best/Personal best: 43.43) -- 86.86 percent
TSS:108.00/97.2/91.8/86.4 (Season's best: 85.75/ Personal best 86.48) -- 79.4 percent

FS
TES: 110.03/99.02/93.52/88.02 (Season's/Personal best: 92.61) - 84.2 percent
PCS: 100.00/90/85/80 (Season's/Personal best: 90.02) -- 90.0 percent
TSS: 210.03/189.02/178.52/168.02 (Season's/Personal best: 182.63) -- 87 percent

Overall Total: 318.03/286.22/270.32/254.42 (Season's/Personal best: 266.38) 83.8 percent

Based on these numbers, there's more room to improve in the SP. There is room to improve in the FS as well, but not as much. Probably what is ideal is to get in that 90-100 percentile range with the layout. At 286.22, which is a score in the 90 percentile range with the current layout, that would have been enough for a bronze. At the 85th percentile range, he would have been close to Boyang's bronze winning score, but just under it. Of course this was 2015-2016 layouts...I expect the scores will be higher in Helsinki due to a higher BV by the men. As it stands,

So the question is go for a 85-90 percentile execution of the layout, or aim for a lower percentage of execution in a higher base value layout. This is the key question that every man internationally is asking. Perhaps not in the exact words, but this is where risk and reward comes in.

And in Jason's case, it's also a question of when he'll need the second quad, i.e. the 4S. As it stands he would have needed a nearly perfect competition with his current layout (99 percentile!!) to beat Javi with his layout at worlds and a more than 90 percentile (92.8 to be exact) performance to reach Hanyu's score under a messy FS.

At best, with his current layouts, I'd say outside shot at bronze. It depends on where the other guys are on executing their layouts.

 

[Tavi...]

Inspired by this thread (and cause I was curious). I wondered what Jason's layout could score if he got +3 and maximum PCS.

Here it is. I also put an 90, 85 and 80 percent figure...cause let's face it perfection is tough and it also gives an idea of when a technical upgrade is needed.

SP
TES: 58.00/52.2/49.3/46.4 (Season's best: 43.32/Personal best 45.98) -- 74.7 percent
PCS: 50.00/45/42.5/40.0 (Season's best/Personal best: 43.43) -- 86.86 percent
TSS:108.00/97.2/91.8/86.4 (Season's best: 85.75/ Personal best 86.48) -- 79.4 percent

FS
TES: 110.03/99.02/93.52/88.02 (Season's/Personal best: 92.61) - 84.2 percent
PCS: 100.00/90/85/80 (Season's/Personal best: 90.02) -- 90.0 percent
TSS: 210.03/189.02/178.52/168.02 (Season's/Personal best: 182.63) -- 87 percent

Overall Total: 318.03/286.22/270.32/254.42 (Season's/Personal best: 266.38) 83.8 percent

Based on these numbers, there's more room to improve in the SP. There is room to improve in the FS as well, but not as much. Probably what is ideal is to get in that 90-100 percentile range with the layout. At 286.22, which is a score in the 90 percentile range with the current layout, that would have been enough for a bronze. At the 85th percentile range, he would have been close to Boyang's bronze winning score, but just under it. Of course this was 2015-2016 layouts...I expect the scores will be higher in Helsinki due to a higher BV by the men. As it stands,

So the question is go for a 85-90 percentile execution of the layout, or aim for a lower percentage of execution in a higher base value layout. This is the key question that every man internationally is asking. Perhaps not in the exact words, but this is where risk and reward comes in.

And in Jason's case, it's also a question of when he'll need the second quad, i.e. the 4S. As it stands he would have needed a nearly perfect competition with his current layout (99 percentile!!) to beat Javi with his layout at worlds and a more than 90 percentile (92.8 to be exact) performance to reach Hanyu's score under a messy FS.

At best, with his current layouts, I'd say outside shot at bronze. It depends on where the other guys are on executing their layouts.

Very interesting, Mrs P! I agree that right now he's got an outside shot for Bronze at worlds, but not more.

Looking at his Skate America SP protocols, had he landed the quad and gotten credit for the spin, with neutral (0) GOE on both elements, his TES would have been 8.5 points higher (he lost 4 in GOE on quad, 1 for fall, and 3.5 for no credit on spin). Add 2 more points in GOE, say +1 on spin and +1 on quad, and maybe +1 in PCS - doable but not guaranteed - and he's at around 96-97 total. Given that the top guys are are scoring over 100 in the SP, to be competitive he will need to add a second quad - but given how strategic Kori is, I'd guess they won't add it until they stabilize the first one, and not until theyre sure his GOE won't take too much of a hit.

My understanding is they're first looking at doing 4T+3T in first half. When they stabilize that, I assume they will eventually replace 3Z with 4S in first half and put 3A in bonus (jump layout like Javi's at worlds). Those changes would increase the base value of his jumps from 30.13 (current) to 34.35. But the 4 additional points of base value are only worth something if he stays on his feet on all the jumps and the extra quad doesn't impact the quality of everything else. Thinking back to what we saw last year as he added the 4T to both programs for the first time, even pre injury, a lot of other stuff deteriorated. At this point, he can't afford to let that happen - it would undo everything he's gained recently.

In the FS, he only lost about 3.5 points in base value due to the < on the quad, but his landings on the 3A solo and in combo cost him a bit of GOE, and he also lost+GOE on the 3F-3T. So if we add a fairly conservative 3 points of GOE to his score (+1 on 4T, solo 3A, and 3F-3T) and maybe add 1 more point in PCS, that gives him a total of 7.5 points more in the FS without adding a jump. Since I think he executed less well due to the shock of landing the 4T, this seems reasonable to me.

So without too much extra effort and without adding a new jump, I can see him adding up to 8-9 points in the SP and 7-8 points in the FS. 268 + 15 = 283, which would have put him 3rd at worlds and given him gold at SA. However, neither Shoma nor Boyang maxed out their scores at those comps, and with other guys also upping their tech, I think that if he really wants to be a top contender, he will absolutely need to add a second quad to the SP and a 4S and quad combo to the FS.

Since he's closer to maxed out in the FS, I'm guessing they might add the 4S there first, so that when it goes into the SP, it's easier to incorporate without throwing everything else off. In terms of timing, they talked about possibly adding it for NHK, but given that adding new jumps seems to be a bit of a slow process for him, and that he likely wants to make the GPF if possible this year, that seems kind of soon. I could see them trying for the 4S in the free skate before Worlds (maybe at 4CC if he's invited?) but I would be surprised to see it in the SP this year. Also, if he makes the world team, the primary goal would be to get 3 spots for the Olympics, so I could see him being more conservative there and adding tech in the Olympic season.

Of course if the Cubs win the World Series, all bets are off - I'm pretty sure he will have miraculous success stabilizing the 4T and adding the 4S to both programs immediately!

 

[Arriba627]

Nice article on Jason in the Dec. IFS Magazine. Some of this is old news at this point, but I think it might be of interest. It talks about his injury and how he changed his short program to "Writing's on the Wall". Originally it was a 3-1/2 minute exhibition program. They cut 40 seconds from the program, added footwork and some more spins, and changed the jumps. He had less than 10 days to adapt it for his first competition of the season and he hopes it continues to improve.

"I think being off the ice and having to go through what I did made me realize how much I love competing, how much I missed going to events and being in front of an audience." He compares working on the quad to the process he went through with getting his triple Axel. "I am definitely back to being in a vulnerable state. The quad is that new little thing where I am trying to figure out how do I fit it into the six minute warm-up or how do I do it with the music. I'm going to take my time because the last thing I want to do is beat myself up about it and then get injured."

He talks about how the news of Josh Farris' retirement reminded him of the importance of maintaining his health. He was in the car with his parents when the news came out. "We just started crying. Josh has been such an integral part of my skating career and growing up in the sport as long as I can remember. It felt like a piece of me and my journey in the sport was also ending...I didn't realize how much someone retiring would affect me."

His goals are to work hard, stay on track, listen to his body, and to improve with each competition. "It's about really looking at every little detail...to be really prepared for nationals and to get on that World team."