Jason Brown

[Mrs. P]

It also didn't occur to me that there's another option - add another 4T. And this explains some of the combo experiments he's been doing (the 3A-1L-3S/3A-1L-3F) in essence, his team is trying to zayak proof his layout as much as possible. Obviously putting another 4T means removing one of the lutzes he does now. So the layout could be something like this

4T
4T-3T
--
3A-2T
3S (3F) (currently 3Z)
3Z (currently 3F-3T)
2A
3L
3A-1L-3F (3S) (currently 3Z-1L-3S)

It's hard to completely zayak proof a two 4T layout because you'er performing other to jumps. For example a horror scenario is that he would popped all the 4Ts in 2Ts and end up zayaking that way so perhaps putting in 4S instead is more desirable. I haven't added numbers to see its worth from a BV standpoint.

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I wonder if I still have a subscription to IFS... If so I will probably get it soon. Thanks for sharing snippets!

 

[Tavi...]

Nice article on Jason in the Dec. IFS Magazine. Some of this is old news at this point, but I think it might be of interest, It talks about his injury and how he changed his short program to "Writing's on the Wall". Originally it was a 3-1/2 minute exhibition program. They cut 40 seconds from the program, added footwork and some more spins, and changed the jumps. He had less than 10 days to adapt it for his first competition of the season and he hopes it continues to improve.

"I think being off the ice and having to go through what I did made me realize how much I love competing, how much I missed going to events and being in front of an audience." He compares working on the quad to the process he went through with getting his triple Axel. "I am definitely back to being in a vulnerable state. The quad is that new little thing where I am trying to figure out how do I fit it into the six minute warm-up or how do I do it with the music. I'm going to take my time because the last thing I want to do is beat myself up about it and then get injured.

He talks about how the news of Josh Farris' retirement reminded him of the importance of maintaining his health. He was in the car with his parents when the news came out. "We just started crying. Josh has been such an integral part of my skating career and growing up in the sport as long as I can remember. It felt like a piece of me and my journey iin the sport was also ending...
I didn't realize how much someone retiring would affect me."

His goals are to work hard, stay on track, listen to his body, and to improve with each competition. "It's about really looking at every little detail...to be really prepared for nationals and to get on that World team."

Thanks for posting that. Very touching to hear about his response to Josh's retirement.

 

[Tavi...]

It also didn't occur to me that there's another option - add another 4T. And this explains some of the combo experiments he's been doing (the 3A-1L-3S/3A-1L-3F) in essence, his team is trying to zayak proof his layout as much as possible. Obviously putting another 4T means removing one of the lutzes he does now. So the layout could be something like this

4T
4T-3T
--
3A-2T
3S (3F) (currently 3Z)
3Z (currently 3F-3T)
2A
3L
3A-1L-3F (3S) (currently 3Z-1L-3S)

It's hard to completely zayak proof a two 4T layout because you'er performing other to jumps. For example a horror scenario is that he would popped all the 4Ts in 2Ts and end up zayaking that way so perhaps putting in 4S instead is more desirable. I haven't added numbers to see its worth from a BV standpoint.

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I wonder if I still have a subscription to IFS... If so I will probably get it soon. Thanks for sharing snippets!

Jason does pop from time to time, so I guess he would have to have alternate scenarios in mind!

I actually wonder if he will ever train the 4F. He gets a lot of height and distance on the 3F.

 

[TMC]

Thank you for posting that Arriba627! I used to subscribe to IFS (for years) but then their social media person got salty with me on Facebook and p'd me off so much that I stopped Sometimes I wonder if I'm missing any good (Jason) interviews, so it's nice to have somebody post a summary here

 

[StitchMonkey]

He has been seen doing a 3A+2Lo in practice (I think their is a clip of it from the TSL was in Monument) so that is an option that would really help with the Zayak risk. It also looks beautiful and is under used I think.

I think Jason's goal should be top six after the SP... not top 3. And I think he can do that with a one quad short. He can make up ground in the free as he has shown again and again he can do. I think that might be the safer and wiser path than trying for a two quad short. I also think that preserving his reputation as a transition master might be worth more than a 2 quad short with average entrances. He would need one heck of an entrance to his solo quad for it to be worth it to do two in the SP.

I am really curious to know if his "two quad" plan is leaning more to a 4S and a 4T or two 4Ts. He mentioned it as being his goal at WTT in 2015. I originally thought the plan was one of each and honestly really liked that idea. But i am thinking the hints are there that he wants to do the bloody 4T+3T (I like his 3F+3T and would miss it - I also don't like that there is not more of a value boost on quad-triple combos). He was practicing it at SA and was seen landing it at least once. Also he did a 3Z in the second half of the SP so I think the 4T+3T actually was the plan at SA. If he is going for it in the short... well I would think he could at least do a 4T+2T and a solo 4T in the free. So that leaves the question of what about the 4S.... I think he may be wanting 3 quads in his free by Nationals. That actually seems to be what the evidence is implying. I also do think we will see a 4S attempt at NHK.

As for the 4F... well I was thinking that they did not want to mess too much with his money combo 3F+3T and I think 4F training could mess with the timing. But the thing is... his money combo has not been as money lately and he is training a 4T+3T anyway. So I am starting to wonder if they are training it, or maybe it is a good time since the timing is off anyway. It could be that the 4T is messing with his 3T timing as well. I wonder if just replacing the 3F with the 4F might be better for him than trying to do a 3F and a 4F though. At any rate 4F I think for Jason has a lot of risk/reward issues to consider. I think he likely could do a 4F... but worry about it messing with his 3F.

But if we are talking about Jason having 3 quads...well what about trying a 4T+4T? As crazy as it sounds, I think he might actually be able to do it. He used to slow down soooo much before his 4T attempts that I think he actually had more speed and flow coming out of his 4T at SA then he had for some of his 4T attempts. If he can almost do a 4T from a standstill, you would think he would be able to adapt that to the tail end of a jump. He also seems the type that can benefit from a don't think, just do approach. And a 4T+4T means he only has to think about the 4T once in his program. I think i like this idea better than the 4F at this point.

 

[Mrs. P]

The biggest reason to do the 4T-3T in the short is to avoid the penalty for not doing steps preceding the solo jump. Yes, people say that people are not getting penalized for it, but given this is a team that works the system -- they don't want to be on the wrong end of a strict judge or technical panel.

I personally don't think he has a enough steps prior to the 4T to currently to tick off that box.

 

[Tavi...]

The biggest reason to do the 4T-3T in the short is to avoid the penalty for not doing steps preceding the solo jump. Yes, people say that people are not getting penalized for it, but given this is a team that works the system -- they don't want to be on the wrong end of a strict judge or technical panel.

I personally don't think he has a enough steps prior to the 4T to currently to tick off that box.

My understanding was that he was going for the 4T-3T in both programs at SA but had to go to plan B in both cases.

 

[karne]

He talks about how the news of Josh Farris' retirement reminded him of the importance of maintaining his health. He was in the car with his parents when the news came out. "We just started crying. Josh has been such an integral part of my skating career and growing up in the sport as long as I can remember. It felt like a piece of me and my journey in the sport was also ending...
I didn't realize how much someone retiring would affect me."

*breaks into a hundred little pieces* :sad21: :sad21: :sad21: :sad21:

I personally don't think he has a enough steps prior to the 4T to currently to tick off that box.

I don't think he does either - however, as a well-liked skater from a big skating country, he'll be more likely to get away with it than a cheeky upstart from a small skating country.

 

[Mrs. P]

My understanding was that he was going for the 4T-3T in both programs at SA but had to go to plan B in both cases.

I don't see the need for 4T-3T in the FS...he's money ahead keeping two 3-3 combos.

I guess we'll find out in a few weeks.

 

[Nathan13]

Well if Boyang wins COC Jason will be ahead of him for the GPF with a Bronze or better at NHK. Which I think is very doable for Jason. As for the rest... it is just too early to say.

I would love it if he and Nathan made the GPF...a little preview for US Nationals :hap85: Although we will already see them go head to head at NHK, I believe. Its going to be epic!!!!!! GO JB!

 

[Tavi...]

I don't see the need for 4T-3T in the FS...he's money ahead keeping two 3-3 combos.

I guess we'll find out in a few weeks.

Actually, I could be wrong about an intended quad combo in the FS. He landed one right before he was announced, so I probably assumed it, but I just listened to the CBC and NBC clips and neither mentioned it (CBC did mention it was intended in the SP). So we will see, but probably just a mistake on my part.

I have to laugh, though, comparing Johnny and Tara's comments here versus 2015 Nats. Remember how they said he was over rehearsed and just a choreographed artist? Ha ha - they changed their minds I guess... although TBF, Jason has actually improved a lot since 2015 Nats, so maybe I should cut them a little slack.

 

[Mrs. P]

Actually, I could be wrong about an intended quad combo in the FS. He landed one right before he was announced, so I probably assumed it, but I just listened to the CBC and NBC clips and neither mentioned it (CBC did mention it was intended in the SP). So we will see, but probably just a mistake on my part.

I have to laugh, though, comparing Johnny and Tara's comments here versus 2015 Nats. Remember how they said he was over rehearsed and just a choreographed artist? Ha ha - they changed their minds I guess... although TBF, Jason has actually improved a lot since 2015 Nats, so maybe I should cut them a little slack.

I seem to recall Kurt Browning in the SP or FS saying something to the effect that sometimes you get the sense that "Jason Brown is playing Jason Brown." Which is probably his way of saying he was over-rehearsed and choreographed. And when you think about it there seem to be a phase in Jason's programs where it was about Jason performing. There's no doubt that Jason's charisma and performance is a strength, but in hindsight, they (Rohene) probably overplayed that asset be it through an excessive amount of choreography or the costume.

 

[TMC]

Actually, I could be wrong about an intended quad combo in the FS. He landed one right before he was announced, so I probably assumed it, but I just listened to the CBC and NBC clips and neither mentioned it (CBC did mention it was intended in the SP). So we will see, but probably just a mistake on my part.

I don't think it was a mistake...Mike Weiss says that he is "hoping for it to be in combination" in his Icenotwork commentary of the FS, and on CBC they talk about him losing the combination (SP, after the fall) and having to do it at another point (3Z3T). I think they must have had the planned content sheets.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4you3l_10-jason-brown-usa-fs-2016-skate-america_sport

 

[Mrs. P]

I don't think it was a mistake...Mike Weiss says that he is "hoping for it to be in combination" in his Icenotwork commentary of the FS, and on CBC they talk about him losing the combination (SP, after the fall) and having to do it at another point (3Z3T). I think they must have had the planned content sheets.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4you3l_10-jason-brown-usa-fs-2016-skate-america_sport

I think it's clear it was planned in the SP -- the question was whether he was doing a 4T-3T in the FS as well.

 

[TMC]

I think it's clear it was planned in the SP -- the question was whether he was doing a 4T-3T in the FS as well.

Well, Mike seems to think so, but of course we don't know if he had the planned content sheet or not. Wouldn't be the first time he's wrong about something

He does sort of reiterate the point during the slomo, IIRC he says Jason "could have easily" added the 3t there. Or something like that. Kind of like he's wondering why he didn't (because that was the plan). EDIT: No, I was wrong - he says that right after the quad, not during the slo-mo

 

[Tavi...]

I seem to recall Kurt Browning in the SP or FS saying something to the effect that sometimes you get the sense that "Jason Brown is playing Jason Brown." Which is probably his way of saying he was over-rehearsed and choreographed. And when you think about it there seem to be a phase in Jason's programs where it was about Jason performing. There's no doubt that Jason's charisma and performance is a strength, but in hindsight, they (Rohene) probably overplayed that asset be it through an excessive amount of choreography or the costume.

I agree. For all his charm and charisma, Jason strikes me as an essentially private person who has an easy time expressing excitement and positive emotions but perhaps a less easy time expressing vulnerability and complex emotions. I think most of his previous programs have not required or allowed him to reveal much of himself. This one does, and I think it's that as much as the beautiful, more spare choreography that people are responding to.

ETA @TMC thx for confirming, I thought I was crazy! But as Mrs P says, we'll see in a few weeks. Frankly I just wanna see him do that 3A-1lo-3F combo - I looooooove it!

 

[TMC]

I want to see a +2Lo combo! Loop is my least favourite jump but I just luuuurve combos with them.

 

[Tavi...]

I want to see a +2Lo combo! Loop is my least favourite jump but I just luuuurve combos with them.

Can I be really obnoxious and say I just want to see him skate anything right now, I don't care what it is?!

 

[TMC]

Can I be really obnoxious and say I just want to see him skate anything right now, I don't care what it is?!

Yes! I could do with something like a two-hour footwork sequence right now

 

[StitchMonkey]

I want to see a +2Lo combo! Loop is my least favourite jump but I just luuuurve combos with them.

It really seems odd to me that we don't see more of them. I can understand the whole not doing +3Lo combos due to them so rarely being credited... but skaters get credit for +2lo in three jump combos, both with a 2T and with a second 2lo all the time. If it can get credited in a 3 jump combination why not a 2 jump combination? A a lot of skaters could get an extra .5 base value by replacing a 2T with a 2Lo and in some cases reduce the risk of Zayaking in the process. I really don't get why we don't see more of them.