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Jason Brown

el henry said:
Not Jason's best, and I don't know what they're doing with all the additions, but still ... Jason sells it like the rent is due. That's our boy.:cheer:

And can I just say in this "safe space", if I hear one more comment that Jason's routines are "shtick", that he can't skate with the "big boys", or that Nathan Chen is going to win Nationals, Worlds and King of the Universe, I will throw things at my computer screen. With gusto and swear words!:drama:
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SAMEEE. Like in the Ondrej Nepela thread, I had to restrain myself from snapping at people dissing his program. Made me so ticked off. It's still early in the season. Some people peak later.....I respect Chen as well. Jason is perfectly capable of competing with the big boys. We all know that.
 
karne said:
You know, Chen got a new PB last night too. 77 something. With the same jump layout. Except his was clean, and he got all level 4s and 3s. No URs, no edge calls. Maybe the Chen-crowners should think about that, that Chen at almost-perfect is only one and a half points ahead of Jason nowhere near his best. By international judges. No home-scoring here.
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I get what you're saying, but juniors, in general, tend to earn much lower PCS. It's hard to say how Nathan would have scored if he was in the same competition as Jason.

Also Nathan's scoring ceiling was limited by the fact he couldn't do a quad in the SP.

In general, I don't think it's worth getting worked up over people's opinions. They are entitled to them, just as you are. :)

cheerknithanson said:
SAMEEE. Like in the Ondrej Nepela thread, I had to restrain myself from snapping at people dissing his program. Made me so ticked off. It's still early in the season. Some people peak later.....I respect Chen as well. Jason is perfectly capable of competing with the big boys. We all know that.
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This happens every year. Jason has a so-so competition, gets beat by somebody random, people declare gloom-and-doom for his career, then he pulls a rabbit and surprises everyone. Wash, rinse, repeat. :)
 
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karne said:
But I agree with you. I am sick to bloody death of hearing Chen's name. I am sick to bloody death of the assumption that every other US man is now worthless because Chen's been injury free for two seconds. And I am sick to bloody death of the people confidently proclaiming that he will be at Worlds next year. I am going to Worlds to watch Seniors, not Juniors!



You know, Chen got a new PB last night too. 77 something. With the same jump layout. Except his was clean, and he got all level 4s and 3s. No URs, no edge calls. Maybe the Chen-crowners should think about that, that Chen at almost-perfect is only one and a half points ahead of Jason nowhere near his best. By international judges. No home-scoring here.
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Why do we have to bring down another skater in order to say how another one is great? So when Chen is doing good, it's irrelevant because Jason is better skater overrall? No. Had Chen decided to compete in Seniors, he would definietly have a chance to get on the World team. However, that doesn't mean he would be immidiately the Nats champion or Jason wouldn't be on the team! And Nathan still needs reputation and polishment, hence the lower PCS. It is unfair to bash other skater's fans just because they belive in their favorite. Btw, Chen, Farris, Rippon, basically his rivals are just the reasons to improve, so there is nothing bad about stacked fields. It only gives power to become a better skater.
 
So let's get back to some cheering.

So watching the program again, there's definitely some cool stuff to appreciate.

For me, it's the entrance into what is currently the 3Z pass. Perhaps it will be the transition for the 3F-3T pass later on. It spans nearly the whole rink! Very cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T2HnGuouXY#t=02m26s

The entry to the 3F-3T is also really nice -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T2HnGuouXY#t=01m
One qualm -- the second jumping pass -- whether it's the 3A or 3F-3T is so badly time---he launches at it 1:07, which is 19 seconds before the halfway mark.

Also there's so much quickstep choreo throughout that I actually had to watch carefully to figure out where the footwork sequence was. Whew!

So that brings me to one question, bought up by Newbie in the main event thread -- is it really smart to ask Jason to do a choreographically-demanding SP and master/integrate the quad into his programs? My response was I believe there was some long-term gain in doing it this way, but I think it's a valid question. It does seem to be a lot to master, even if you have a whole season to do so.
 
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Alba said:
TSL video A look at Kori Ade and the program in Monument, Colorado
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@Alba, mille grazie! I'm saving it to enjoy when I get home from work.

In other news, an FSU poster who is at Nepela reports that Jason has been practicing the quad; it's not consistent yet but s/he speculates we'll see it tomorrow. I'm so looking forward to the FS, with or without quad !
 
They said "when he really goes for it he has the right rotation" so I guess that would mean he's landed a few that are clean. They said most were still << though.
 
dorispulaski said:
Does the FSU poster report any properly completed quads by Jason in practice?
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He/she says this:

insideedgeua said:
Jason has been working on the quad in practices at ONT.


It is a long way from close to consistent yet. Then again, I think he is a good competitor so maybe we will see it in the FP tomorrow.
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insideedgeua said:
I would say many popped attempts at this stage rather than doing the jump. When he really goes for it he does have right rotation but most would still be <<

I do think he has great competitive fight, so he's the sort of skater who could suddenly land one in competition despite them not being consistent. That's just my opinion.

Factually, he's not doing many but he is working on them.
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Ha ha - I was the one asking about the jumps (I post on FSU as Tavi) and I must confess that I started to wonder how many good quads, if any, he actually did. ;)

If he didn't make a lot of attempts total, and most were popped, and most of the others were < at best, maybe .... one good one?!

But insideedgeua is right in saying he's a great competitor, so let's see what he does tomorrow.
 
Nice program. Very good fight on the quads, though of course his triple axels need more work (though I'm sure they'll be fine comes the Grand Prix season). Got to say I'm not really a fan of that costume; he needs a more classical and tailored costume to fit the music, not that asymmetrical collar. Also, the music doesn't really have a lot of highs and lows, though I'm not sure if he could change it now.
 
He did a great job! I'm glad he went for the 4T, although with -GOE and << he lost about 8 points on that element alone. Still, I see a big improvement in the program as a whole, and am looking forward to seeing it at Skate America.

I miss the color of the sash but I do think the new costume is more flattering. Very Max-like, except for the sequins, eh @karne? :)

ETA gosh I just looked at the protocols. If he could just improve the quad to < and get to 0 GOE on the axels and combo, his tech score would go up like 8 points and he would be around 170 total. That's leaving negative GOE on the 4T. Not bad, especially considering his PCS was not super inflated. He'll have to do better than that (and better in SP) to compete with Hanyu et al, but it's encouraging.

I love that he seems to win people over wherever he goes.
 
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I'm finding myself having to take deep breaths in the Onderj Nepela thread. Because seriously, stop program-bashing Jason's FP! I like it a lot.
 
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