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IN's GF video has been posted.
The links to 2016 GF video are on this page:
The links to 2016 GF video are on this page:
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Thx for the link!:agree:
Oh, the Piano is even more beautiful with "real" videography. He makes me watch every second even with tinkly piano music. Please keep this up, Jason.
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I know what I'm doing tonight!
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Thx for the link!:agree:
Oh, the Piano is even more beautiful with "real" videography. He makes me watch every second even with tinkly piano music. Please keep this up, Jason.
I didn't think it could be possible, but it is even more beautiful! The quality of his movement is just..it's second to none, really. Incredible. Now I may be hormonal as it is, but that brought tears to my eyes
ETA: Mariah was magnificent as well! That loop in the beginning of her FS gave me chills!
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My waiting has paid off, for now I have watched it, and it is breathtaking. I know my fellow Jasonites will not judge me when I say that I wept. And it is only July! He conspires to break my heart with joy...if he looks this well in July, oh...
The entries for Lombardia are up and Jason, Max and Grant are competing. :hap57:
http://www.isuresults.com/events/fsevent00051782.htm
http://www.isuresults.com/events/fsevent00051782.htm
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Aww Jason, y u shun me and Finlandia Trophy :sad21:
To be serious though, I love that he picked Lombardia! It's the first CS event, isn't it? I predict a Shoma-Jason-Max podium, in any order. Can't wait!!
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So how exactly does this work. Do the U.S. skaters pick where they want to go, or are they assigned the different competitions?
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So I was absolutely, totally wrong in thinking that Jason wouldn't want to do Lombardia because it's too soon. Now I am wondering what the strategy is. Based on Glacier Falls, he already looks really good. Is the main objective to (1) get points (200-250 for a medal) since he missed out on most of last season; (2) make sure those 3As are really, really solid under pressure before Skate America; (3) try out his quad; (4) push all 3 of Jason, Max and Grant to start fast and compete hard against each other all season; (5) some combination of the foregoing; or (6) something else? Will he compete at another Sr B before SA and a third between SA and NHK (maybe that's where he'll bring the quad out?) or is that risking injury?
What do y'all think?
By the way, a little aside that should really be in the Team KoRo thread except I'm too lazy: since I was in Colorado last week, I went to the 7k Scott Hamilton benefit on Saturday and was privileged to see Jordan, Mariah, Tomoki, and Rohene skate, among others. Mariah skated Roxy and popped most of her jumps but otherwise skated very well; Tomoki is looking good; Romain is really really cute but didn't skate that well, but oh! Jordan looks wonderful, and Rohene, save for one popped jumped (only one he attempted) was amazing - he skated to Amazing Grace. I really really like Jordan - beautiful flow over the ice and I was told he did the choreo for his program (not sure if short or ex, can't remember the music). Anyway, he did do some triples that looked good but I don't think he did lutz or 3A (pretty sure he did 2A). It must be tough for him to sit out all fall, but I'm betting he will look amazing by Nats!
ETA Arriba, I think they state preferences but final decision is up to USFS.
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As best we can tell, it is what Tavi said and the skaters give preferences but ultimately USFSA does what it wants. I know the host has a say in GPs but I don't know about Challenger Bs.
I kinda think all of the above. He usually does one event early in the seas so nothing new therewe have no idea where the quad stands. His 3A is looking awesome, and it might be worth it to skip t. I do think he would rather be in the last group for SA, so I think that is a factor. As for jumps... well he quad just to get three clean 3As out there. We have heard zilch about quads from him as of late... so who knows. We don't even know if he has his 4T back yet. And yes I say back... he did have a 4T last season in practices... so it is now a matter of getting it back, not getting it.
I think we will see a 4T attempt in the free first... be it at Lombardia SA or some other event... I think he will do it in the free first, unless it is really sound and and he *wants* to put it in the SP. Id say seeing it at Lombardia is about 50/50.
I will admit, i am curious about how he would be scored internationally if he skated like he did at Glacier Falls with no quad. He looks great and I think he could still score fairly well with them. Setting a great score internationally without a quad could be a smart move - it sets the base higher. I am a staunch believer that when Jason lands a quad, he will get higher scores... if not why bother trying the quad. If he sets the starting point higher... it could give him more momentum.
I do think we might see Jason at a second challenger before SA. Especially if he does not do a quad here. I could see them doing one event to get the clean quadless program... then do a second where her tries the quad... then decide what to do for SA. I guessed before he would get Lombardia and Autumn Classic, and i think that could still be the case.
I do think that USFSA wants to see how the skaters fair against one another internationally. On the GP. Adam and Jason face off at SA and each face Nathan Chen. Pitting Jason against Max like this is likely and extension of that. There is basically only one spot for worlds this year as the national champ gets a spot automatically. So USFSA really needs to figure out what the safest skaters are for worlds for spots. Not just high scoring potential, but what they get on a bad day as well. Even without a quad, Jason's bad days are likely to score higher than other skater's bad days. So who knows what they will do.
I am not sure how much Grant is a factor to be honest... there are just too many at the top right now for him to factor in. He will need one hell of a season to factor in I think.
As for injury... well I think that part of him training away from Kori with Frank was to get him to be more comfortable thinking for himself and making his own decisions and learning how to listen to his own body on his own. So I think as far as injury goes... he needs to listen to his body and I think everyone knows that. I suspect he has a better idea of when he needs to cut back and give things a rest now. It sounds like last season he was just killing himself with training with a more is better approach... now he knows his limits I don't think he will have issues this season.
So glad you got to go see it. My better half had to work so i did not bring it up to him. Id love to get down there and look around one of these days. I keep an eye on their events... but somehow the timing never is right.
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Thx for the thoughts on the Challenger events. I recently heard that is how Japan does it (skaters state preferences, Federation assigns) and realized I had no idea what the U.S. process is.
I wonder if you could elaborate a little on Tomoki. How were his jumps? Does he seem to have had a growth spurt? Did he do either his SP, FS, EX?, etc. I'm still feeling bad that he left Alex....I have such high hopes for Mariah!
ETA - That benefit must have been awesome!
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OMG
. May the best man win.BTW, Challengers are worth more points than other internationals.
For Men & Ladies
1st place 300 points for Challengers (vs. 250)
2nd place 270 points (225)
3rd place 243 points (203)
4th place 219 points (182)
5th place 198 points (164)
6th place 178 points
7th place 160 points
8th place 144 points
http://static.isu.org/media/349017/cs2016-17_announcement-final.pdf
2nd place 270 points (225)
3rd place 243 points (203)
4th place 219 points (182)
5th place 198 points (164)
6th place 178 points
7th place 160 points
8th place 144 points
http://static.isu.org/media/349017/cs2016-17_announcement-final.pdf
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Oho, the USFS are not shying away from the battle...
So we will start the season with the delicate, graceful jewel against the powerful lion king...I will be very interested to see how this pans out.
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Hi - I wish I had paid closer attention to Tomoki, but I confess I did not - sorry! I think it was his SP but not 100% sure. Compared to JW, I would say he looks a bit taller, his skating is a bit smoother, and he let loose a little more. His jumps looked good, but I don't recall seeing a quad. I apologize for not being more specific, but I was distracted!
After Mariah skated so well at Glacier, I was disappointed to see her pop most of her jumps here. I hope it was just an off day - maybe the end of a long week - and not a sign that she's still struggling. I got the sense that she gave up a bit once the jumps went, but she is so well trained otherwise that it still came off okay - it just lacked that sparkle she usually has. Hopefully she'll be fine during the season - her skating is just so pretty!
Stitch, you bring up a good point regarding Jason's scores without a quad. They were so....high...at TCC and GF that the team might want an international benchmark on that same program without a quad, to get an idea of where he'll actually be scored if he doesn't have the quad at SA. And as you and Karne say, it should be quite interesting to see Jason and Max square off so early, particularly as we haven't seen much of Max yet. Since they don't go against each other during the GP, this may be the only meeting they have before Nats - and its on neutral territory. Interesting - Jason faces Adam at SA and Nathan at NHK; and Adam and Nathan face each other in France, but so far there's no meeting between Max and either Adam or Nathan. Perhaps because they saw them all together at Nats last year? In any case, my guess is that starting now, USFS is really going to push all of these guys through the Olympics, with the aim of (1) regaining 3 spots; and (2) winning a medal. I hope they all survive!
Something I have been pondering ...
The last congress approved changes to the definition of PCS criteria:
Old vs New Definitions
We've already seen how generously the US judges rewarded Jason in PCS at Glacier Falls. It will be interesting to see how the programs are judged internationally based on the revised definitions. The changes seem to be an attempt to return some balance to the TES/PCS marks and place more emphasis on musicality and movement which should benefit Jason.
The last congress approved changes to the definition of PCS criteria:
Old vs New Definitions
We've already seen how generously the US judges rewarded Jason in PCS at Glacier Falls. It will be interesting to see how the programs are judged internationally based on the revised definitions. The changes seem to be an attempt to return some balance to the TES/PCS marks and place more emphasis on musicality and movement which should benefit Jason.
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^But if the "new definitions" see Jason sans quad getting scores internationally close to the ones he got at Glacier Falls, then sorry, but it's gone too much the other way. Athletic achievement should be rewarded too, why should those who can jump better be punished because they don't fit the narrow-minded definitions of "artistry"?
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Can anyone with an understanding of Japanese help with this tweet from one of the Japanese fan club Twitter accounts. It implies Jason will try quads at Lombardia?
https://twitter.com/JasonBrownFP/status/763918692279209984
I don't know if Jason is talking, or if his fans are talking, but Bing translate says:
"Jason more Narita → via Denver Colorado he returned and joined the US Champs Camp, 8/20, and going up to Lombardy to practice at home. In Lombardy the SP and FS was to say I'm going to put the quad in both. Looking forward! I say "me too! " And Jason [emoji]
So what do we think?
https://twitter.com/JasonBrownFP/status/763918692279209984
I don't know if Jason is talking, or if his fans are talking, but Bing translate says:
"Jason more Narita → via Denver Colorado he returned and joined the US Champs Camp, 8/20, and going up to Lombardy to practice at home. In Lombardy the SP and FS was to say I'm going to put the quad in both. Looking forward! I say "me too! " And Jason [emoji]
So what do we think?
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