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Forgot about Rohene being 1/2 Puerto Rican. Whew
-- saved. I was picturing some dreadful thing in my mind, but perhaps with the authenticity of Hector Lavoe, Willie Colon, Fania Allstars music, it could be pretty awesome.
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Forgot about Rohene being 1/2 Puerto Rican. Whew
-- saved. I was picturing some dreadful thing in my mind, but perhaps with the authenticity of Hector Lavoe, Willie Colon, Fania Allstars music, it could be pretty awesome.
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When there was a Puerto Rican fed, Rohene was the Puerto Rican men's champion in 2004 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohene_Ward
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohene_Ward
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Slightly OT, but since we're talking about salsa for Jason, my Oct. Issue of International Figure Skating magazine says the short dance rhythm for senior teams in 2017-2018 is Latin American, which includes Rhumba, Samba, Mambo, Cha Cha, Merengue, Salsa, and Bachata. So we may be seeing some salsa sooner rather than later.
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OMG, I pop back in after some hiatus and where did all this Salsa craze sprout from??? :eeking: but anyway the Latin rythm is one field he hasn't hit yet as far as I know, Iwould love, love love to see him suave-ing in some Rhumba and Samba and Merengue and Salsa and all that kind of stuff!!!! As versatile as he is, I expect a cracker! :agree:
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Heh heh - it sprouted first from Jason (see the interview posted by Katmari, above), and....errrrr....me. Sometime last year we were all speculating about Jason's new programs and discussing music and I put in a very loud vote for salsa - as el Henry reminded me above! But if Latin American rythyms are going to be required in the SD for 2017-2018, people may be sick of salsa before he has a new program.
ETA how reliable do we think Kori's testimony is with respect to Jason's quads? I mean, yes, the clip of his 4T last fall was really gorgeous, but Kori does tend toward hyperbole in advocating for her skaters (remember "Jason's 3A is rock solid" and "Mariah's 3-3 is rock solid" before they actually were?!).
Still, I found it interesting to hear that he and Kori were "flying under the radar" and caused a stir. I guess they did kind of keep the quads under wraps until champs camp (great strategy, Kori!), but is USFS really that dumb?
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...They are pretty dumb
As long as he moves like this, I don't think anyone will mind.
Staying out of view of the USFS by training in California with Frank Carroll and Eric Millot over the summer was probably part of the "shock and awe" plan for champs camp.
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I was thinking this as well. She also has claimed that "clean" means positive GOE for them. So we are starting at a higher standard than most, but still with a healthy does of, as Kori would say "advocating for her skaters" So who really knows. Also... given what Jason's 3A looks like now... it could have been rock solid IN PRACTICE when she had that interview.
She also did not say landed... or even solid... she said gorgeous. I think Kori's idea of gorgeous, even with hyperbole, is likely at least fully rotated. It is likely worth remembering that other people were there and saw it... there is a limit to how much she can exaggerate without looking bad. As long as the jump is fully rotated and not a dramatically scratchy step out landing, you can get away with calling it gorgeous because that is subjective. But calling a clearly UR jump "gorgeous", or even fully rotated, can be objectively argued. Calling a clearly UR jump clean, can make her look bad in a "why can't she see that?" type of way which could hurt her reputation... and that I think is where her advocating for skaters ends, even with Jason. It is one thing for people to question your subjective judgment, but another to have them question your objective judgement... and UR or not is an objective based judgment call. So I am hoping that they were at least fully rotated. Really even UR but not downgraded would be great for Jason, so a fully rotated scratchy 4S would make me very happy and excited.
Yes.
I think they have demonstrated their ability to make us scratch our heads many many times. I also think "flying under the radar" might not be the best description, but might be more of a polite euphemism. She may have wanted to say because they "don't take us/me/Jason seriously" or "had written us off" or "ignores us so much they can't be bothered to know where he stands" or any number of things that translate better to "flying under the radar"
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The IN article specifies that the quote from Kori re Jason's quads is from Sunday at Champs Camp.
Sunday was only a practice day for the singles skaters -- according to what Polina said in her USFS Facebook interview.
Polina said (I'm paraphrasing) that Sunday's official monitoring sessions [or whatever they formally are called -- sorry, I don't know :hopelessness:] for programs were only for the dancers and their FDs.
So ... just my two cents, but:
My interpretation is that Kori is referring to other coaches -- in her comment about creating buzz and having been under the radar.
Meaning that Jason's quads made the likes of Raf and Tom Z sit up and take notice at Sunday practice at Champs Camp.
I'm not so sure that Kori is referring to having kept Mitch Moyer and USFS-types in the dark.
But if Team Jason deliberately did keep USFS in the dark, I don't know why that makes USFS dumb.
Not saying that USFS has never been dumb. But I don't understand why USFS deserves bashing in this particular situation.
Most of us here in this GS thread have been optimistic (even in the absence of frequent video evidence) that Jason's quads are coming along.
And yet the TSL tweet about Jason's quads at Champs Camp stirred up buzz right here in the thread.
So I guess we're all just as "dumb" as USFS
.And/or we don't take Jason seriously. And/or we had written Jason off. And/or we ignore Jason, etc., etc.
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I think this might be a good theory as to what was meant. I could see other coaches not expecting it. And sadly I can see other coaches saying "Jason does not have a quad, get a quad and you can compete" so seeing him land two, could be a shock. It would also make the "we've" rather than specifying Jason make more sense if it was in regards to how her peers regard her... and maybe to them she is under the radar as a coach.
I'm not so sure that Kori is referring to having kept Mitch Moyer and USFS-types in the dark.
But if Team Jason deliberately did keep USFS in the dark, I don't know why that makes USFS dumb.
Not saying that USFS has never been dumb. But I don't understand why USFS deserves bashing in this particular situation.
Most of us here in this GS thread have been optimistic (even in the absence of frequent video evidence) that Jason's quads are coming along.
And yet the TSL tweet about Jason's quads at Champs Camp stirred up buzz right here in the thread.
So I guess we're all just as "dumb" as USFS
And/or we don't take Jason seriously. And/or we had written Jason off. And/or we ignore Jason, etc., etc.
If they were trying to keep USFSA in the dark, then no, the USFSA is not dumb. But i did not take it that she was hiding things/trying to create a surprise. Honestly I think that would be a silly idea... unless there is much more drama going on that even my tin foil hat has imagined. It is possible that she meant they were intentionally staying under radar... but that is not how i took it as I think staying under the radar of USFSA is likely only a good thing if you are a trouble maker... most skaters WANT to be on their radar.
The thing is "under the radar" is just not a phrase that is uttered about Jason often... at least not for the last few years. The idea of Jason being "under the radar" does seem odd. I mean USFSA is still using him in their advertisements, so they clearly know he is still competing and think he is marketable. I would not generally call anyone used in their advertising as "under the radar". Beyond that... Jason's quad progress specifically is clearly not "under the radar" Phill Hersh thought his first attempt merited its own article - Jason's quad(s) are more under constant reconnaissance than under the radar. It seems a strange thing to say, so I am thinking it was likely an easy but imperfect way to sum things up quickly for an interview.
That being said "under the radar" could also just mean "out of town" in this context as well. I would say that is still qualify as a quick and easy but imperfect summation... but the point i am trying to make is the reason could be very boring.
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Well if Kori's comments were made on Sunday and the gorgeous quads were landed at a practice session, that begs the question of whether he tried them and succeeded at the subsequent monitoring sessions or if he just went for the 3A. Inquiring minds want to know!
Given the emphasis he puts on not pushing himself in the wrong way and building towards the Olympics, I'm quite curious as to what we'll see at Lombardia and US Classic - a 4T in one program and a 4S in the other? Quad toes in both programs, one in combination, but no 4S? 3As only? It's gonna be a long 10 days!
Given the emphasis he puts on not pushing himself in the wrong way and building towards the Olympics, I'm quite curious as to what we'll see at Lombardia and US Classic - a 4T in one program and a 4S in the other? Quad toes in both programs, one in combination, but no 4S? 3As only? It's gonna be a long 10 days!
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I am kinda thinking he is going to do the 4T in each at Lombardia and the 4S in each in Salt Lake... maybe the opposite. Then he can decide what he wants to pair with what for Skate America.
He has said he plans a quad in each at Lombardia... the plan maybe to start with whichever he is comfortable with in the SP and go from there. I don't think we will see combos yet from him - learn to land the jumps one way first and his 3F+3T is a good combo for him to keep anyway. I think the most likely layout is one or the other as the solo jump in the SP and one of each in the free.
I wonder if we will at least get to see/or hear some practice reports of his earlier than 10 days.
Really it depends on how stable they are and in comparison to each other. If one is much more secure... he should do that twice at Lombardia because that will make an impact. If they are about even, i think trying each early is a good idea as it let's him feel them out and know what to focus on. For that matter, maybe he will do the 4S at Lombarida to feel it out, as he has felt out the 4T.
Honestly I am almost more curious what his SP layout will be. What will be in the second half? Will all three be first half? I kinda think the combo in the second half makes the most sense.
He has said he plans a quad in each at Lombardia... the plan maybe to start with whichever he is comfortable with in the SP and go from there. I don't think we will see combos yet from him - learn to land the jumps one way first and his 3F+3T is a good combo for him to keep anyway. I think the most likely layout is one or the other as the solo jump in the SP and one of each in the free.
I wonder if we will at least get to see/or hear some practice reports of his earlier than 10 days.
Really it depends on how stable they are and in comparison to each other. If one is much more secure... he should do that twice at Lombardia because that will make an impact. If they are about even, i think trying each early is a good idea as it let's him feel them out and know what to focus on. For that matter, maybe he will do the 4S at Lombarida to feel it out, as he has felt out the 4T.
Honestly I am almost more curious what his SP layout will be. What will be in the second half? Will all three be first half? I kinda think the combo in the second half makes the most sense.
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Aw thanx Tavi for filling me in :-D IMO SD is another story and I don't think there would be any harm in using a Latin rhythm in his programme, there are many variations and songs, not like the tedious repetition of POTO or Carmen. And of course Jason is unique!!!! I can so totally expect something that equals to Takahashi's legendary Mambo!!!
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:agree: To your point re USFS advertising, I'm sure we all noticed that the very first footage in the new USFS video for San Jose 2018 showed none other than Jason and Kori from 2012.
(If I were prone to overthinking
:hopelessness:, I might even wonder whether the intention was to underline that they have been a solid skater-coach partnership since forever and will continue to be so forever -- no matter who else comes and goes at 7K.)Jason answered questions from his Japanese fans when in Japan for THE ICE and it was published it today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3RDqDEl5Mc
There were a few questions about working with Frank and what the practices were like. Very interesting!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3RDqDEl5Mc
There were a few questions about working with Frank and what the practices were like. Very interesting!
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Katmari you (and ice coverage) always find the best stuff / thank you!
ETA: I loved this interview - he is asked some really great questions - about training with Frank, how watching The Piano impacted his interpretation, and his goals for this year - and gives very thoughtful replies. Kudos to his Japanese fan club for this one!
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Ok, the Jason Brown Fan Page evidently has the same question about Jason's hand, and Bing translate has another incomprehensible answer about Japanese names?
https://twitter.com/JasonBrownFP/status/770981619389739008
Still waiting for skating
https://twitter.com/JasonBrownFP/status/770981619389739008
Still waiting for skating
