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Jason got credit for a fully rotated 4T!!!!!
http://www.fisg.it/upload/result/4144/senior/CSITA2016_SeniorMen_FS_Scores.pdf
http://www.fisg.it/upload/result/4144/senior/CSITA2016_SeniorMen_FS_Scores.pdf
Jason Brown
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And -- two completely rotated positive GOE 3As! :hap57:
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I am going back to bed soon. But the good news from the free.
He beat Shoma in the free, just not by enough to take the lead. But if he can beat him in the free he can beat him at Skate America. Good confidence booster.
He got a perfect score on his spin... again.
He tied his highest ever 3A GOE, but did it in the second half, making it his highest score 3A ever... in the second half of a program with an already landed 3A. Two clean 3As make me very happy.
He got a new PB for his TES in the Free... not bad at all with a fall and a pop (to a double)
And last but not least..... he rotated the quad... if he can rotate it, he can land it!
He beat Shoma in the free, just not by enough to take the lead. But if he can beat him in the free he can beat him at Skate America. Good confidence booster.
He got a perfect score on his spin... again.
He tied his highest ever 3A GOE, but did it in the second half, making it his highest score 3A ever... in the second half of a program with an already landed 3A. Two clean 3As make me very happy.
He got a new PB for his TES in the Free... not bad at all with a fall and a pop (to a double)
And last but not least..... he rotated the quad... if he can rotate it, he can land it!
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I'm doing the happy karne dance! I always knew this day would come!
Now just you wait! He rotated it here, the next step is standing up, and I am sure that will come NEXT WEEKEND!
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Also, I love The Piano free skate so much.
Now just you wait! He rotated it here, the next step is standing up, and I am sure that will come NEXT WEEKEND!
:dance: :dance: :dance:
Also, I love The Piano free skate so much.
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Okay you guys I must confess, I tweeted the protocol to Phil Hersh. Since he doesn't follow me, not sure if he will see it, but...
We need a Phill Hersh snark Bingo game... will he snark that it was a generous call, or will he snark that he fell?... taking all bets.
Still, it is great progress...
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I cannot speak to the technical side of things, but in a way I'm not surprised that Jason rotated the quad. To me, the difference is a whole other attitude going into it. He goess into it with conviction & confidence - obviously that's not all that's needed to land a quad, but I don't think it can be done without. With quads, it seems to me, any hesitation is fatal. Go for it, or don't. Basically:
"Do or do not. There is no try."
"Do or do not. There is no try."
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He got the highest PCS of the competition for the LP, so over-all the judges agreed that he showed superior skills in that area. Once he gets that 4T steady, he'll be in the mix for the GPF. I'd like to see him there.
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He gave props for winning FS but unsurprisingly, snarked about fall.
ETA and of course people on the Lombardia thread are already snarking that the tech panel was blind and that he shouldn't have got full credit. Surprise!
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I fully expect some people to refuse to believe that he can ever do a quad. He could do a quint and some people would still call it UR.
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You're so right! And after it's perfect it will be, well he only has one quad not even a combo. And when he adds a combo and / or a 4S: but he's not doing a 4F or 4Z.
When I was watching his warmup I was a bit concerned - he fell on the loop - so I didn't know what to expect. I would say that considering this is the first time he's done the 4T in this program since last year he did a great job of recovering from the fall and really performing the rest of the program. Will be interesting to see how the quad fares at US classic - next week!
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First:
Jason's LP. Rotated quad, glad I saw comments before program
(sorry, had to watch tape, going from Pacific back to Eastern and crawling into bed at 3 a.m. "my" time: even Jason couldn't pull me out!). I can see how you couldn't like the Piano music (I didn't) but how can the haters hate on this program???? I don't get it. I've said it before, there could be tape of Jason helping a little old lady cross the street and some folks would criticize how he held her arm. But still a glorious program.
Second:
our boy Sam Smith
Who is Thom Yorke and who is Radio-whatever? I'm not being snarky, I don't know them and I don't know the name. Maybe one of the greatest bands of all time if you were born after 1970???
In any event, countertenor is my favorite range. I loooove good falsettos ( I suppose very few pop stars have a true countertenor). But (and here I expect brickbats and everyone else to come after me), RnB bands do falsettos *soooooo* much better than the whiny white guys, and that's why I describe them that way. Ed Sheehan doesn't appear to hit such high notes (again I only know the music from skating) and Adam's LP guy, I don't know *what* notes he's trying to hit.
If you were born before 1970, one of the truly great pop bands of all time, and one of the great pop falsettos. If Jason skated to this, or any of their music, I would die from happiness:
Philip Bailey of Earth Wind & Fire sings Reasons (live version)
Jason's LP. Rotated quad, glad I saw comments before program
(sorry, had to watch tape, going from Pacific back to Eastern and crawling into bed at 3 a.m. "my" time: even Jason couldn't pull me out!). I can see how you couldn't like the Piano music (I didn't) but how can the haters hate on this program???? I don't get it. I've said it before, there could be tape of Jason helping a little old lady cross the street and some folks would criticize how he held her arm. But still a glorious program.Second:
our boy Sam Smith
Who is Thom Yorke and who is Radio-whatever? I'm not being snarky, I don't know them and I don't know the name. Maybe one of the greatest bands of all time if you were born after 1970???
In any event, countertenor is my favorite range. I loooove good falsettos ( I suppose very few pop stars have a true countertenor). But (and here I expect brickbats and everyone else to come after me), RnB bands do falsettos *soooooo* much better than the whiny white guys, and that's why I describe them that way. Ed Sheehan doesn't appear to hit such high notes (again I only know the music from skating) and Adam's LP guy, I don't know *what* notes he's trying to hit.
If you were born before 1970, one of the truly great pop bands of all time, and one of the great pop falsettos. If Jason skated to this, or any of their music, I would die from happiness:
Philip Bailey of Earth Wind & Fire sings Reasons (live version)
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What would Jason's score here have been clean?
He got a 88.91 TES score here with 6.3 for the quad. A Clean quad with .5 GOE would be worth 10.8 or an increase of 4.5 and a new TES of 93.41.
Getting that 2Lo (why oh why do we not use R for Rittberger for Loop? It would make discussions so much better/easier and make score sheets and conversation so much cleaner and prettier.) up to a 3Lo is the other clear improvement. He got a 1.98 here. He got 6.73 for his 3Lo at TCC, but I know that event is not popular to use as reference. So his three attempts in 2015 scored 6.31, 6.11, 6.17. I'll take the middle ground of 6.17 and say there is potential for a 4.19 increase, or a new TES of 97.60.
Now looking at PCS.
PCS at Lombardia = 87.0 - his best at a non- team event.
PCS at WTT = 89.14 This is his official personal best.
PCS at TCC = 91.70
So that gives us a total score of 184.60/186.74/189.30
And over simplified answer to how much is SP could be worth is 41.38 plus 8.6 for the quad and .92 for the improved combo = new TES of 50.9.
PCS at Lombardia = 41.20
PCS at WTT = 42.61 This is his official personal best.
PCS at TCC = 44.20
so a SP score of 92.1/93.51/95.1
Combined that is 276.70/280.25/284.40 - depending on what you think is most appropriate. This is with no increase of PCS for the quad... so I actually think the TCC scores likely are reasonably.
He got a 88.91 TES score here with 6.3 for the quad. A Clean quad with .5 GOE would be worth 10.8 or an increase of 4.5 and a new TES of 93.41.
Getting that 2Lo (why oh why do we not use R for Rittberger for Loop? It would make discussions so much better/easier and make score sheets and conversation so much cleaner and prettier.) up to a 3Lo is the other clear improvement. He got a 1.98 here. He got 6.73 for his 3Lo at TCC, but I know that event is not popular to use as reference. So his three attempts in 2015 scored 6.31, 6.11, 6.17. I'll take the middle ground of 6.17 and say there is potential for a 4.19 increase, or a new TES of 97.60.
Now looking at PCS.
PCS at Lombardia = 87.0 - his best at a non- team event.
PCS at WTT = 89.14 This is his official personal best.
PCS at TCC = 91.70
So that gives us a total score of 184.60/186.74/189.30
And over simplified answer to how much is SP could be worth is 41.38 plus 8.6 for the quad and .92 for the improved combo = new TES of 50.9.
PCS at Lombardia = 41.20
PCS at WTT = 42.61 This is his official personal best.
PCS at TCC = 44.20
so a SP score of 92.1/93.51/95.1
Combined that is 276.70/280.25/284.40 - depending on what you think is most appropriate. This is with no increase of PCS for the quad... so I actually think the TCC scores likely are reasonably.
Repeating my comments in the Men's FS thread -- the quad, from my look on the super grainy video feed, was borderline, but the tech panel decided to give it the benefit of the doubt (which I think they're generally supposed to do if it's right around 1/4). That said, Jason is likely to encounter a tougher tech panel in other competitions (read: Shin Amano) so obviously I hope he won't give them any doubt in the future (which obviously goes without saying).But still his best attempt to date.
Anyway congrats on winning the FS and winning the Anna Grandolf award for best program! That's pretty neat. And getting silver.
*** and if you would indulge me to answer El Henry above:
El Henry, i realize you have a affection for music of the past -- as do I: My husband, daughter and I were actually jamming to a DJ set by famed producer Giorgio Moroder on Sirius FM. I know people thought disco sucks, but I actually love it-- disco's influence on other genres of pop music is really clear to me. And I really like Earth, Wind and Fire and all those bands.
That said, Radiohead DOES deserve to place in the all-time bands because of their creativity and range. They started out as your standard alternative band in their earlier albums (exhibit: "Creep" from their 1993 album Pablo Honey and "Fake Plastic Trees" from 1995's The Bends.)
They were popular, but they knew that if they didn't evolve they would end up getting lost in the numerous number of guitar alternative bands that were out at the time. So we started to see their music shift.
Then they went super progressive in 1997's OK Computer (a lot of people compared it to Pink Floyd; Exhibits: "Paranoid Android" and "Karma Police"
They even went more electronic and orchestral in their next two albums, which are my personal faves, Kid A (2000) and Amnesiac (2001). My faves from Kid A are "Everything In It's Right Place" and "Idiotechque." And from Amnesiac, "I Might Be Wrong" .
They went back to a more "live guitar" sound in 2003's Hail to the Chief, but it's still quite different, IMO, from the sound they had in the 1990s. It's more fuller. "There, There" was one of the popular tracks from the album.
Then after that album they left their longtime label EMI and made their next album in 2007 a "pay as you wish." In Rainbows, is actually probably one of my least favorite albums, but no doubt they were trying a different style. "Here's Jigsaw Falling into Place"
They went more electronic for 2011's "The King of Limbs." This was the first album on their new label, XL, and independent English label. Here's "Lotus Flower (and Thom Yorke dancing...)"
And then this year they came out with their latest album, A Moon Shaped Pool. I'd actually put this in my top four albums behind the Kid A/Amnesia and OK Computer. It's super dreamy, orchestral, but with a lot of power, just like the song they did from Spectre. If they couldn't have the Bond theme, I'm glad they gave us an awesome full-length instead. "Burn the Witch (with an awesome claymation MV!!!) and "Daydreaming" gives you an idea of the style.
It's 2016. They basically have been present in the pop/rock scene for TWO DECADES. I'd cut you slack el henry, but for Sam Smith, who is also from the UK, to not know who these guys are are pretty criminal, honestly.
And for a bonus, here are other kids reacting to Radiohead. They are arguably more articulate than Sam Smith, even in admitting they've never heard of them.
Anyway, I hope you all enjoy this...You all know that I generally am not a big hater, but there's a special hater (or at least strong disliker) place for Sam Smith in my heart.
ETA: The ladies on Stars on Ice in 2014 (both US and Canada tours) did a number to a cover of "Creep."
Anyway congrats on winning the FS and winning the Anna Grandolf award for best program! That's pretty neat. And getting silver.
*** and if you would indulge me to answer El Henry above:
El Henry, i realize you have a affection for music of the past -- as do I: My husband, daughter and I were actually jamming to a DJ set by famed producer Giorgio Moroder on Sirius FM. I know people thought disco sucks, but I actually love it-- disco's influence on other genres of pop music is really clear to me. And I really like Earth, Wind and Fire and all those bands.
That said, Radiohead DOES deserve to place in the all-time bands because of their creativity and range. They started out as your standard alternative band in their earlier albums (exhibit: "Creep" from their 1993 album Pablo Honey and "Fake Plastic Trees" from 1995's The Bends.)
They were popular, but they knew that if they didn't evolve they would end up getting lost in the numerous number of guitar alternative bands that were out at the time. So we started to see their music shift.
Then they went super progressive in 1997's OK Computer (a lot of people compared it to Pink Floyd; Exhibits: "Paranoid Android" and "Karma Police"
They even went more electronic and orchestral in their next two albums, which are my personal faves, Kid A (2000) and Amnesiac (2001). My faves from Kid A are "Everything In It's Right Place" and "Idiotechque." And from Amnesiac, "I Might Be Wrong" .
They went back to a more "live guitar" sound in 2003's Hail to the Chief, but it's still quite different, IMO, from the sound they had in the 1990s. It's more fuller. "There, There" was one of the popular tracks from the album.
Then after that album they left their longtime label EMI and made their next album in 2007 a "pay as you wish." In Rainbows, is actually probably one of my least favorite albums, but no doubt they were trying a different style. "Here's Jigsaw Falling into Place"
They went more electronic for 2011's "The King of Limbs." This was the first album on their new label, XL, and independent English label. Here's "Lotus Flower (and Thom Yorke dancing...)"
And then this year they came out with their latest album, A Moon Shaped Pool. I'd actually put this in my top four albums behind the Kid A/Amnesia and OK Computer. It's super dreamy, orchestral, but with a lot of power, just like the song they did from Spectre. If they couldn't have the Bond theme, I'm glad they gave us an awesome full-length instead. "Burn the Witch (with an awesome claymation MV!!!) and "Daydreaming" gives you an idea of the style.
It's 2016. They basically have been present in the pop/rock scene for TWO DECADES. I'd cut you slack el henry, but for Sam Smith, who is also from the UK, to not know who these guys are are pretty criminal, honestly.
And for a bonus, here are other kids reacting to Radiohead. They are arguably more articulate than Sam Smith, even in admitting they've never heard of them.
Anyway, I hope you all enjoy this...You all know that I generally am not a big hater, but there's a special hater (or at least strong disliker) place for Sam Smith in my heart.
ETA: The ladies on Stars on Ice in 2014 (both US and Canada tours) did a number to a cover of "Creep."
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I have no life so....
Here is a playlist based on Mrs. P's above post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFkzRNyygfk&list=PLdjZj0DqmNFiHVwwPykadh_Ee3fR22p6I
Enjoy!
Here is a playlist based on Mrs. P's above post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFkzRNyygfk&list=PLdjZj0DqmNFiHVwwPykadh_Ee3fR22p6I
Enjoy!
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I love that you do these what ifs but before I let myself get too excited about his scoring potential, I just want to see him fully rotate and land that quad beautifully in one program! It's so great that he got the jump ratified; whether it was borderline or not, getting that call will (I hope) take a little pressure off of him. He's passed one hurdle; on to the next. The good news is, we only have a few days to wait for his next attempt!
His problem with the 3Lo is a head scratcher - he's been doing that jump since forever, and I don't recall him having problems with it in this program until Glacier Falls, when he had to put his foot down. Then he fell on it in the warm up today. Hopefully it's just a bit of a glitch that he can fix quickly. It would be kind of silly to finally succeed with the 4T only to lose a chunk of points on the 3Lo!
I really should be working. Clearly I don't want to.
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My congrats again to Jason for the silver and for the Anna Grandolfi prize.
Continuing my nitpickiness
about the Grandolfi prize from the Lombardia thread:The use of "components" in the inscription on the plaque and in the announcer's wording at the presentation suggests to me that maybe the only criteria were component scores. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
Just sayin' that the Grandolfi prize for components could be a slightly different animal from the PSA EDI award for best performance at U.S. Nats (which Jason won for Riverdance in 2014
). EDI award winners are chosen by committee.Also not clear to me whether the Grandolfi prize is for PCS only from the FS or for combined PCS from both programs.
Mirai
won the prize for ladies, and like Jason, she would have won either way.Unrelated trivia:
Jason's roommate at Lombardia happens to be Damian Dodge ... who is blogging for ice-dance.com :yes:.
So with dueling wordsmiths, their room must be Blog Central
.
Damian is doing a very nice job with his own blogging
. (His only allusion to Jason so far is the one about being roomies.)
So with dueling wordsmiths, their room must be Blog Central
.Damian is doing a very nice job with his own blogging
. (His only allusion to Jason so far is the one about being roomies.)
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I may be miss-remembering, but I think he has had issue with the 3Lo before. Maybe not pops to double, but I think it has often been his weak link/weakest element. I know it was the only element to get negative GOE at WTT in 2015 for instance.
