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Jason Brown

So happy for Jason's silver.
I know he's not very happy with his performance, but better not to peak early, he has so much potential.
I wonder what happened with his last spin and I hope he did not injure himself on the quad landing or something. The pressure must be insane this season.
I think the 1st axel is what messed with his mind. They keep changing the placement of different things and if you get nervous your brain could lapse. His GOE’s were certainly lower than other skaters who made similar mistakes. I’d like to see him add a quad in every performance, but the coaches and Jason know what is best. I’m so glad he got second here.
 
It seems like the season has just begun, and it has, but it’s only two months until Nationals and Jason will only have 1 or 2 more competitions to make this program magical.

The whole point of doing a program over 2 seasons is that you can say more with it because you’re not starting from scratch. Year 2 of Piano was infinitely better than year 1, not because the choreography was radically different but because Jason’s interpretation and movement were deeper and more nuanced (and of course his costume and hair were better 😈).

In some ways this seems like an entirely new program - only the beginning section and the ending spin are the same. And instead of a deeper interpretation of an existing program, he’s trying to make sense of almost entirely new choreography.

And I don’t get it, because the old choreography was beautiful and worked well for him, and the changes seem almost random. Not sure if they were his idea or if someone convinced him that he shouldn’t do the exact same program but I think whoever it was, was wrong! Among other things, that layout worked really well for the 4T he was then including, and I don’t see why it wouldn’t work equally well for the 4S (or 3F, as proposed by @karne).

Anyway, I hope I’m wrong about everything and being overly pessimistic about it all and that he will indeed be able to weave his magic with it. 😈 But I do worry.
 
jesus christ that was a stressful competition overall and one i never plan to rewatch!
i’m half convinced the ice was off due to the fact that every man not named nathan was off - and Jason’s spin error was uncharacteristic, it looked like he struggled to catch his blade. Shame about the 4s and first 3A but glad he got the second axel out in combo!

This programme is coming together nicely, I really love the step sequence! I just wish he’d take the split jump out of the choreo sew, it doesn’t quite fit the mood of SL. But overall good fight and he kept that silver medal which was the important thing. His shock at his score was adorable too.
Agreed. I don’t like the split jump in Schindler’s List. I
like the middle section with the new track of music, but something is missing toward the end. I guess the spin issue took away from the spectacular ending when he goes down to the ice. They’ll figure it out. Happy for Jason!!!
 
Agreed. I don’t like the split jump in Schindler’s List. I
like the middle section with the new track of music, but something is missing toward the end. I guess the spin issue took away from the spectacular ending when he goes down to the ice. They’ll figure it out. Happy for Jason!!!

Apparently music cut change was a judge suggestion:
Brown: We went w 2 of the similar pieces and changed out the middle piece. A judge mentioned that it would make a big difference if I changed the mood and broadened the main piece in the middle - it really changed the feeling of the program
 
My impression is that SL is a work in progress. I feel like they should call Rohene in to sharpen it up, give it more emotion and punch. They won't, but the program needs more punch and definitely more emotion. Jason skates beautifully and can sell what he believes in.

They won't call Rohene to sharpen the FS because Schindler's List is choreographed by David Wilson. :P

The split jump worked better with the older music cut with - though I think he did a falling leaf and not a russian split(?). However, the Ina Bauer placement is perfect in this new iteration.

I'm actually dying to see how he would score with a flawless but quadless FS.... but having a quad does open up the layout more even if it was UR (not downgrade).
 
It seems like the season has just begun, and it has, but it’s only two months until Nationals and Jason will only have 1 or 2 more competitions to make this program magical.

The whole point of doing a program over 2 seasons is that you can say more with it because you’re not starting from scratch. Year 2 of Piano was infinitely better than year 1, not because the choreography was radically different but because Jason’s interpretation and movement were deeper and more nuanced (and of course his costume and hair were better 😈).

In some ways this seems like an entirely new program - only the beginning section and the ending spin are the same. And instead of a deeper interpretation of an existing program, he’s trying to make sense of almost entirely new choreography.

And I don’t get it, because the old choreography was beautiful and worked well for him, and the changes seem almost random. Not sure if they were his idea or if someone convinced him that he shouldn’t do the exact same program but I think whoever it was, was wrong! Among other things, that layout worked really well for the 4T he was then including, and I don’t see why it wouldn’t work equally well for the 4S (or 3F, as proposed by @karne).

Anyway, I hope I’m wrong about everything and being overly pessimistic about it all and that he will indeed be able to weave his magic with it. 😈 But I do worry.
This is only my opinion, but I think the real problem is him still being injured. Going out and skating injured, even if it's almost healed, can make you nervous and unsure I imagine. He also lost some training because of it, another reason to feel a bit nervous. I think he was very preoccupied with the quad. That's the reason he didn't add it in Finland, he knew it could partly spoil his delivery somehow. He's not very ready at this moment. After Finlandia people were okay with the program. It will look good when all the triples will be clean. SC will give him that experience he needs and the desire and push to do better.
 
He’s got three weeks till IDF which I think is a good amount of time to work in training. He improved leaps and bounds from Finlandia to here so I think we’ll see SL even better by france. Plus, IDF has good vibes for Jason so I’m thinking (praying) he’ll do well. He’s probably in with a chance of another silver there I think, but I haven’t done the maths to see whether that would be enough for GPF.
I won’t be surprised to see him on the entry list for Golden Spin as usual just in case. He’s working on peaking at the right time and I think he’s well on his way. Importantly to me, he seemed happy and pleased in the k&c rather than unhappy which is most important to me.
 

Thanks for this! I would be really interested to know why the judge felt the program didn’t really work as conceived and what the intended new “mood” is. Because-and it’s always possible the problem is me-the changes just seem to have disrupted the original program’s integrity rather than saying something new. I think it’s great to listen to others and experiment, but ultimately you have to evaluate whether the changes work. For me, at the moment, these don’t.
 
All interesting posts this morning. I don't know the extent of Jason's injury, if it's still bothering him or how the program change has affected his performance. I'm just glad he placed so well at this competition and that he has time to fluff and puff before the next one. Oddly the split jump didn't bother me but I was surprised he missed the axel and also have never seen Jason mess up a spin. I think he really wanted to establish himself with this competition and was more nervous than usual. I'm betting if Brian and Tracy think the changes didn't work, they'll consider going back to the original. Let's hope, anyway,
 
I think the injury is still bothering him, otherwise he wouldn't skate with a bandage on his left ankle.
It reminds me a bit of the start of 2019-2020 season, only now it's better because it's not a concussion and he clearly isn't injured to the extent of what David Lease was saying. He did peak beautifully in the second part of the season back then.
 
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Since Peacock dropped the medal ceremony ball, I found this fan cam by Googling.

Love this version, thanks.

And Jason jumping the gun and forgetting about the French announcer:laugh:
 
My impression is that SL is a work in progress. I feel like they should call Rohene in to sharpen it up, give it more emotion and punch. They won't, but the program needs more punch and definitely more emotion. Jason skates beautifully and can sell what he believes in. He believes in Sinnerman and it shows. He's still wrestling with SL. It would be nice with a well executed quad. But if the well executed quad doesn't materialize this year, it would be better with more content and no quad. We'll see where it goes. I anticipate that this program will be better in France. I'm not overly concerned about the split jump. Call it a soaring spirit and it works. If he can reach out more in that jump, it would be good. What I feel right now, is that he's not yet confident in his program, and once he is he will sell it to the audience and judges. That's not happening yet. I agree that the pacing and emotional content was better in the original, but that can all be integrated into the new choreo with some work and a lot of refocusing. This program as is, and as presented tonight was enough for this competition. So it's a good base to work from.
I wish Jason hadn’t agreed to allow anyone else to choreograph his programs. I know he didn’t stand up for himself in the beginning because he felt lucky to get to Toronto. Things are different now, he needs Ro’s help. The changes to the FS have not helped. The other skaters from different countries made their case from the beginning, Jason didn’t have anyone to help him get what he needed. He just wanted help badly. To help Jason, it would have been nice if Brian, as head coach, could have updated the contract to allow him to use other choreographers.
 
I wish Jason hadn’t agreed to allow anyone else to choreograph his programs. I know he didn’t stand up for himself in the beginning because he felt lucky to get to Toronto. Things are different now, he needs Ro’s help. The changes to the FS have not helped. The other skaters from different countries made their case from the beginning, Jason didn’t have anyone to help him get what he needed. He just wanted help badly. To help Jason, it would have been nice if Brian, as head coach, could have updated the contract to allow him to use other choreographers.
Jason has expressed his pleasure in working with David. And Jason is very loyal to the people around him. But I agree that this program does need adjusting. The original iteration, which was from David, was moving and Jason connected to it. For whatever reason, he's not connected to this program yet. There is time. They can work on it. It needs more content and more emotion. But even if the tweaks are minor, what is most lacking is Jason's confidence in the program. He's totally committed to Sinnerman. And there is still room for it to be better. But he's not committed to SL yet. I don't think that Brian or Tracy force him to work with David. Ro probably wouldn't interfere, much as we would like him to, unless David asked him to do so. Hopefully they will get this worked out. Two less than stellar outings send up warning flags and I'm sure this will be addressed.
 
I wish Jason hadn’t agreed to allow anyone else to choreograph his programs. I know he didn’t stand up for himself in the beginning because he felt lucky to get to Toronto. Things are different now, he needs Ro’s help. The changes to the FS have not helped. The other skaters from different countries made their case from the beginning, Jason didn’t have anyone to help him get what he needed. He just wanted help badly. To help Jason, it would have been nice if Brian, as head coach, could have updated the contract to allow him to use other choreographers.
Jason has expressed his pleasure in working with David. And Jason is very loyal to the people around him. But I agree that this program does need adjusting. The original iteration, which was from David, was moving and Jason connected to it. For whatever reason, he's not connected to this program yet. There is time. They can work on it. It needs more content and more emotion. But even if the tweaks are minor, what is most lacking is Jason's confidence in the program. He's totally committed to Sinnerman. And there is still room for it to be better. But he's not committed to SL yet. I don't think that Brian or Tracy force him to work with David. Ro probably wouldn't interfere, much as we would like him to, unless David asked him to do so. Hopefully they will get this worked out. Two less than stellar outings send up warning flags and I'm sure this will be addressed.
There was an agreement when Jason first got to Toronto that the FS‘s would be choreographed by David Wilson and Jason could continue to use Ro for his SP and Exhibitions. After the first FS blunder I wish a change had happened. Nothing against David and Jason would not say anything bad about someone who worked with him. He is now Brian’s best skater so things need to change.
 
More praise for Jason from skaters, from Asher Hill and Dylan Moscovitch at CBC's "That Skating Show"


start at 13:24

Dylan: The most beautiful skater in any of the disciplines.
Asher: He's bleeping everything.

Warning 1: the clip they show is the mistakes in Schindler's😩
Warning 2: this is a lighthearted show and Asher and Dylan are dressed for Halloween
 
someone on another site posted the CBC coverage of jason's skates, with commentary by Kurt Browning. they're full of praise for jason, calling him an artist whilst also pointing out the athleticism and technical prowess of jason's skating.
my favourite line is from the SP - "the only thing that detracts from his skating is how much jealously I feel watching him" 💖
 
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