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Jason's deep-v's are gradually getting deeper. Can't say I'm complaining
Nor I, jwren.
But it is faux this time. Look at the crease on the (left side of photo/his right side take your pick) about an inch or so above the black fabric. There looks to be a sort of fold (crease, bulge , whatever you want to call it. . it is so perfect and long I do wonder if it is intentional) in the fabric that matches perfectly on the white fabric part and the V part. Skin would not do that, at least I am having trouble imagining it doing that. I honestly would rather something he is comfortable with even with a higher neck rather than the fake skin, at lest in this instance. If the skin colored fabric gives structural support to the costume, I don't mind it, but this. . . it is purely for faux modesty. . . which just does not really make sense to me. Maybe it is a work in progress, maybe something is going to cover it/be attached to it, maybe it will make more sense when I see the full think, but for now, I would prefer a higher neck over skin colored fabric.
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Reportedly there is going to be a tighter crackdown on what costumes cover (or don't), this season - maybe at Champs Camp he was told to put a flesh panel there. I'm fairly sure Max's Carmen had the flesh panel added later in the season. It wouldn't be unusual.
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It looks to me like he had it at US Classic, He certainly had it at Skate America but yes he had one, and I am still not a fan. Though if he was told it was an issue, on that costume I can see how there were limited options. Jason's really could just have a higher V, it would not be hard to do (heck the black part may not even be final, you can see a bit of white peaking out on his shoulder that I suspect will not be visible in the final version) and I do think the high V would be better than the faux one. Unless there is a cultural/historical reason relating to the music for it (in which case it should be allowed!) I don't really like the faux modesty. It does not make the outfit sexier, or more attractive to me, or even more modest, it just feels. . . well like they should have made the costume differently in the first place more or less. It feels more deceptive/misleading than modest. If the powers that be want to crack down, fine, I can deal with that, but I just don't know how much I feel like adding skin colored really has a point. They should push the costumes to not need the flesh colored in my opinion.
It does have positives, the light colored pants are a nice touch as was pointed out above. I actually do like the design. I just think without the panel or a higher V, would both be better options than the flesh panel. Meh, not the end of the world, it does at least appear to be well matched to his skin. . . can't even find the top of it. Id rather him have the flesh panel than get hurt on points in the end, and doubt I will notice that much. Still. . . slightly disappointing I guess.
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You are assuming that faux modesty is behind the design? It could easily be there for practical reasons, for example, so that it doesn't move or fall open awkwardly every time he jumps or moves his arms. Maybe they don't want to raise the neckline for design reasons.
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If it is for practical reasons, I want to learn more as that is interesting. Given that he had a strap across the top on Question of You and laces on Riverdance, you may be on to something.
What reason is there to have fake flesh other than modesty or, for lack of a better way to put it, allowing isolated islands of cloth that looks glued to the body?
If it is a design choice, well, I don't agree with it nor get the reason for it. I think the outfit would look perfectly lovely with a higher V, unless they want turtlenecks out there. Or be tongue and cheek about it. and use air brushed muscle outlines and a nice scar/wound too look fresh from the battlefield. Give it a reason to being there other than show less skin, because I find skin colored fabric as a response to that, deliberately obtuse I guess. Meh too each his own.
As much as I don't like the flesh V, I am sure I will find worse costumes this year. It seems popular here. . . I'd rather he wear something I hate that the judges and community loves and works well for him that something I love that I am in the minority of. It is not like I am going to stop enjoying him due to a design disagreement. Sometimes weird things bother you. I'm sure there are people who have been strangely annoyed by one bead or feather or sequin that is slightly out of line. . . we all have out quirks.
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Chiming in with my two cents' worth...
I had assumed that the faux flesh panel on his Riverdance costume was his preference... just because. (???)
It took me a few minutes of squinting to figure out that wasn't his chest I was seeing. Obviously, I don't know
too much about the other men skaters.
I'd prefer to see a higher-cut costume than a low-cut one with a flesh panel. Or, if it doesn't matter, then let's
see the chest. (But only a bit-- please, not all the way to the navel!!)
According to the official USFS rules, "The clothing must be modest, dignified, and appropriate for athletic
competitions...The clothing must not give the effect of excessive nudity inappropriate for the discipline.
The majority of the upper body must be covered."
It seems rather vague and perhaps a bit subjective? One's person's "modest" may be another's "outlandish."
Also, when it said the majority of the upper body must be covered, I was assuming that was meant more
for the women skaters than the men (for obvious reasons!).
Here are a couple of male skaters who appear to be showing flesh and not a flesh panel:
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/style-beauty/fashion/advice/g3799/mens-figure-skating-costumes/?slide=10
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/style-beauty/fashion/advice/g3799/mens-figure-skating-costumes/?slide=24
Again, interesting!
I had assumed that the faux flesh panel on his Riverdance costume was his preference... just because. (???)
It took me a few minutes of squinting to figure out that wasn't his chest I was seeing. Obviously, I don't know
too much about the other men skaters.
I'd prefer to see a higher-cut costume than a low-cut one with a flesh panel. Or, if it doesn't matter, then let's
see the chest. (But only a bit-- please, not all the way to the navel!!)
According to the official USFS rules, "The clothing must be modest, dignified, and appropriate for athletic
competitions...The clothing must not give the effect of excessive nudity inappropriate for the discipline.
The majority of the upper body must be covered."
It seems rather vague and perhaps a bit subjective? One's person's "modest" may be another's "outlandish."
Also, when it said the majority of the upper body must be covered, I was assuming that was meant more
for the women skaters than the men (for obvious reasons!).
Here are a couple of male skaters who appear to be showing flesh and not a flesh panel:
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/style-beauty/fashion/advice/g3799/mens-figure-skating-costumes/?slide=10
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/style-beauty/fashion/advice/g3799/mens-figure-skating-costumes/?slide=24
Again, interesting!
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Did his Riverdance one have a pannel? If it did the laces were not attached to it because you can see them bow out/away from him and see through them. So it would likely have been an under shirt, not a panel. My better half is home and I try not to squint to closely at other men's chests with him home so I can't study this too intently, so was only able to glance quickly. You can see it decently when he bends forward to look at his score at nationals. If he did have one, I never noticed, and want to know where he hides the collar. Is he like using bald cap silicon glue type stuff to give no seam?
There have certainly been deep Vs in the past, I believe karne was referencing a rumor that the push is now to cover up more. Personally, I have no issue with the skin, so even the push makes little sense to me. What make less sense to me is thinking skin is no ok, but trying to trick people into thinking it was skin is - sorta an *error does not compute* type thing. Why is making it look like skin somehow ok?
And how does Florent Amodio's stay in place. . . . these costumes really get more interesting and more confusing the more you look. I want Johnny Weir to start giving little tidbits about all this, he seems like he would enjoy that.
There was a clip I saw on here that I cannot remember where of an interview with a judge who took off under the old system for an immodest costume. The costumes was a guy in a white unitard. Not sure how it was "immodest" but it sure did look like a terrible idea. . . like a floating head on the white ice.
You are right the language is very vague. And it is not like we have been seeing crazy outfits. . . not sure I see the need to crack down on it. Even without the panel, this is well over the majority of upper body. . . it is the majority of the chest and all the back and arms. Maybe we will get a hint at Ice Dreams tomorrow. . . hopefully we will at least get a oral report
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Chiming in with my two cents' worth...
I had assumed that the faux flesh panel on his Riverdance costume was his preference... just because. (???)
It took me a few minutes of squinting to figure out that wasn't his chest I was seeing. Obviously, I don't know
too much about the other men skaters.
I'd prefer to see a higher-cut costume than a low-cut one with a flesh panel. Or, if it doesn't matter, then let's
see the chest. (But only a bit-- please, not all the way to the navel!!)
According to the official USFS rules, "The clothing must be modest, dignified, and appropriate for athletic competitions...
The clothing must not give the effect of excessive nudity inappropriate for the discipline. The majority of the upper body
must be covered."
It seems rather vague and perhaps a bit subjective? One's person's "modest" may be another's "outlandish."
Also, when it said the majority of the upper body must be covered, I was assuming that was meant more for the women
skaters than the men (for obvious reasons!).
Here are a couple of male skaters who appear to be showing flesh and not a flesh panel:
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/style-beauty/fashion/advice/g3799/mens-figure-skating-costumes/?slide=10
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/style-beauty/fashion/advice/g3799/mens-figure-skating-costumes/?slide=24
Again, interesting!
Thx, alabhaois; of course I had to look at all the photos. To my very untrained eye, the French do not appear to be wearing the flesh panel, but going au naturel (of course). I am not a fan of the V look, I didn't particularly like it in Riverdance either. I love Machida's orange turtleneck number, and found that far "sexier" (although sexy is a term I'm just not going to feel for 19 year olds, no matter how athletic) than the V neck. YMMV.
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Did you mean this one?
While looking found this one as well and thought it was just adorable.
I find V necks attractive. . . I tend to find sharp points and angles attractive, so it works well for me. It does not have to be a plunging one, but I do like the angles. I like the point more than I would a rounded line. . . regardless of where it falls on the chest.
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Yes-- you can especially tell when he's bowing (toward the camera) at the end. It was done very
well, though, but I couldn't help wondering WHY it was there in the first place.
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alabhaois's list also included this idea for a "classic" look. Yes that is Mario, and it actually is his SP. It is worth a watch as he really did do a fun job with the choreography, matching moves to the game, and the music and sound effects. I just loved it! Great example of different that somehow works.
Anyway, ill have to study his Riverdance again. . . Seriously Johnny, gives a skating costume sewing lesson! I agree on the why, maybe the structure support theory has credence, his are less tight.
Anyway, ill have to study his Riverdance again. . . Seriously Johnny, gives a skating costume sewing lesson! I agree on the why, maybe the structure support theory has credence, his are less tight.
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Go to this link and you can see it when he'w bowing at 6:05...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J61k2XjRryM
(you may need to replay it because everything happens so fast!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J61k2XjRryM
(you may need to replay it because everything happens so fast!)
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imgur is a popular free option. Also, if you were going to do a screen shot of a video anyway, you can right click on the video while paused, and select "copy video URL at current time" you can then link to that specific time (in chrome it gives you a popup box from which you can highlight, in firefox it just copies it for you), comes in handy for stuff like this.
Or go off and enjoy your Friday night. . . don't want you to feel pressured
edit demonstration you can keep hitting refresh. . . it will loop for you. Per alabhaois, you can really tell as he comes back up. Have to say he does a better job matching than many of the ladies do.
Or go off and enjoy your Friday night. . . don't want you to feel pressured
edit demonstration you can keep hitting refresh. . . it will loop for you. Per alabhaois, you can really tell as he comes back up. Have to say he does a better job matching than many of the ladies do.
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*coughs* If that clip shows the front of the costume, you will know why. It is for the same reason that men are not permitted to wear tights. A rule which I am quite certain that Max is going to fall foul of one of these days.
It's news to me that there was a flesh panel in Jason's Riverdance costume. I'm not about to object to any sort of man-cleavage.
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*coughs* If that clip shows the front of the costume, you will know why. It is for the same reason that men are not permitted to wear tights. A rule which I am quite certain that Max is going to fall foul of one of these days.
It's news to me that there was a flesh panel in Jason's Riverdance costume. I'm not about to object to any sort of man-cleavage.
This was back in the 6.0 era, so the footage as not great. I did not squint there. Not sure it was that tight, nor that white shows any more off than black. I may go through my youtube history and find it. . .
Max. . . is wearing tights by my definition of tights. Maybe their definition only includes slightly translucent things, or only things with feet attached. He certainly clearly has a preference for that style. Then again he keeps pretty much everything else pretty tame and modest, maybe they accept it as a compromise. He could just be doing it for comfort.
*Edit
Found it via my post history. Shortcut to the costume
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The white unitard was somewhat transparent and you could see EVERYTHING at the front, is basically why he got the deduction. I believe you could also see the outlines of his underwear in the rear.
Yeah. If I hadn't seen Max's costumes before I'd have called them tights. But he seems to like them, if they can help him do quads better I'll never object, and they certainly don't detract from the viewing experience.
