Javier Fernandez

[Mizar]

Hello, everyone!

Sorry to bother you again. I just wanted to tell you that, after struggling with it for a bit... I was able to do an interview with Javi! I had enough time to ask all the important questions, although my nerves (and awkwardness) were worse than ever. He was also quieter than usual, but someone told me that he isn't a morning person, so it could have something to do with that (It was over the phone and they told me to call when in Toronto was 10am). The one answer I was not satisfied with, was the triple-combination over the quads, but I didn't have much time, so I couldn't insist on it. It's a shame that the 'Informe Robinson' wasn't out before I interviewed him, it could have helped me so much...
All in all, I'm satisfied with it, and in awed that I was able to interview him. I wanna thank you all one more time, because your help was amazing. I will try to post the interview and link it as soon as possible, but first, my professor has to grade it. I just have to say that, even if he was sleepy, he was lovely.

 

[tureis]

Yeah, that's true. But I just want to say a couple of things:

- Javi's SP score in Ostrava was higher than the first SP score in 4CC.

- Javis's FS score in Boston was higher than the first FS score in 4CC.

Of course it's difficult and he needs to be clean, but it still depends on him to win the young'uns. So LET'S GO!!!

I also thought of this joining forces thing before. xD

And let's remember that Javi in Marseille was in another dimension, not in Marseille's ice...

So I'm still optimistic.

Btw, now that I think of it: have you mentioned in this forum what jumps is Javi practicing in case he needs it?




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Oh I don't think either that Javi needs to worry about being outscored by anyone other than Yuzu at the moment if he skates both programs clean. The GOE and PCS he gets when clean are still at a higher level than what the young ones can get right now, more than enough to make up for the BV disadvantage. But he does need to skate clean if he wants to control his own fate and not have to rely on mistakes from Shoma, Nathan etc.

 

[Olibritt]

I love your optimism tureis, I really do!
But Javi is competing, as the rest of the contenders, so I think he has to worry.
That said, I'm pulling for him, that's for sure

 

[liv]

It would not surprise me if he started to at least think about the 4Loop a bit more. If he skates well in Helsinki, and still loses to Nathan, Shoma etc., with their new quads, then maybe it is something he might consider. We know Brian says he has done it, and that they don't want to change anything now before the Olympics because they are happy with their layout, but Brian said that before Nathan became consistent at those quads and then received high PCS marks. The young guys are only going to add more to their BVs. I agree that if the older guys skate clean they control their own destinies, but the gap is closing. I think Nathan will get even higher PCS at World's, it seems momentum is on his side, so while I hope the judges remember to recognize the quality and intricacies of the more seasoned competitors, you do not know what will happen.

 

[xibsuarz]

Btw, now that I think of it: have you mentioned in this forum what jumps is Javi practicing in case he needs it?

Well, we saw him land a 4Lo at FaOI last year, but he said he didn't intend to add another quad. However, he's said he's been practicing triple-triple-triple combinations in case he feels like he needs it. I wonder if his strategy on the BV matter stands as it did a couple of months ago, specially now that, aside from the fact that Nathan can land 5 quads, Shoma has now landed the 4Lo as well, Boyang is attempting it, and Yuzuru (sort of) managed to land 4 quads in his FS as well. But Brian said he didn't want them to make sudden decisions in response to what the younger ones are doing, so perhaps it will stay the same.

 

[tureis]

I love your optimism tureis, I really do!
But Javi is competing, as the rest of the contenders, so I think he has to worry.
That said, I'm pulling for him, that's for sure

I meant right now, for this upcoming Worlds, two clean skates from Javi will earn him at least silver I think. But he does need to be clean to make that happen regardless of what anyone else is doing. Not even an unclear edge on his 3F. Javi's big challenge is that he has never actually done two clean programs in the same competition, so that's one massive hurdle to overcome.

What happens next season is anyone's guess, because the judges will continue to give higher PCS to Nathan and Shoma, AND they may further increase their jump content, in which case even clean skates from Javi won't be enough unless others make mistakes. But I still don't think a 4Lo is in the cards for Javi. I think he would have needed to add it this season like Yuzu to have any hope of consistency by the Olympics.

 

[musicfan80]

Well, we saw him land a 4Lo at FaOI last year, but he said he didn't intend to add another quad. However, he's said he's been practicing triple-triple-triple combinations in case he feels like he needs it. I wonder if his strategy on the BV matter stands as it did a couple of months ago, specially now that, aside from the fact that Nathan can land 5 quads, Shoma has now landed the 4Lo as well, Boyang is attempting it, and Yuzuru (sort of) managed to land 4 quads in his FS as well. But Brian said he didn't want them to make sudden decisions in response to what the younger ones are doing, so perhaps it will stay the same.

I meant right now, for this upcoming Worlds, two clean skates from Javi will earn him at least silver I think. But he does need to be clean to make that happen regardless of what anyone else is doing. Not even an unclear edge on his 3F. Javi's big challenge is that he has never actually done two clean programs in the same competition, so that's one massive hurdle to overcome.

What happens next season is anyone's guess, because the judges will continue to give higher PCS to Nathan and Shoma, AND they may further increase their jump content, in which case even clean skates from Javi won't be enough unless others make mistakes. But I still don't think a 4Lo is in the cards for Javi. I think he would have needed to add it this season like Yuzu to have any hope of consistency by the Olympics.

I've always thought that Orser is a coach who is methodical in how jumps are trained into his skaters' programs. I think the odds of Boyang, Yuzuzu, Shoma, AND Nathan all being completely clean in both their SPs and LPs are pretty low. If I were Javier, I would keep my jump content as is for Worlds and just focus on being clean and the charismatic skater we know and love.

 

[tureis]

I've always thought that Orser is a coach who is methodical in how jumps are trained into his skaters' programs. I think the odds of Boyang, Yuzuzu, Shoma, AND Nathan all being completely clean in both their SPs and LPs are pretty low. If I were Javier, I would keep my jump content as is for Worlds and just focus on being clean and the charismatic skater we know and love.

I completely agree with this. The risks everyone is taking are extremely high, and there is a much higher chance for mistakes on recently added elements, and with the overall difficulty of jumps. At the moment Nathan is the most consistent, but even he had to fight for a few jumps in his 4CC FS. Everyone else's skates have often been marred by falls, pops or messy landings, not just at 4CC, but throughout the season.

Javi was forced to increase his SP and FS jump difficulty last season because Yuzu produced back-to-back clean competitions and there was a real chance that he would do the same at Worlds. That's not the case this season from either of the main contenders (except Nathan), so for now Javi isn't in a situation that he has no other choice but to add jumps, and focusing on being clean is his best strategy for Helsinki. We'll see how Worlds may change that.

 

[Angie Music]

Hi, everyone I'm new here, I'm a huge Javi fan from Mexico ✌ I think he's so talented and I'm looking forward to his performance at worlds (also sorry about my English)

 

[xibsuarz]

Hi, everyone I'm new here, I'm a huge Javi fan from Mexico ✌ I think he's so talented and I'm looking forward to his performance at worlds (also sorry about my English)

Hey there! Welcome Angie Music! Your English is just fine, don't worry about it :agree:

 

[tzazu]

Hi, everyone I'm new here, I'm a huge Javi fan from Mexico ✌ I think he's so talented and I'm looking forward to his performance at worlds (also sorry about my English)

Welcome here!

 

[Meoima]

Well, if we're living in a world where quality is judged fairly then Brian's comments might work. But we are not. So he should upgrade his BV. You don't expect to go against the most powerful federation with lesser content.
Having said that, I still think Javi has fair chance to medal at WC this time. Next season I don't know.

 

[jersey1302]

I think Javi is in real trouble this year.. barring any major mistakes I dont think he really has a chance at gold again this year, there is too much technical content coming up on him. If Javi skates clean though I think he can definitely medal forsure. I think the top 5 are going to be very close especially 2-6 positions could be with in 10 points. It would make my day though if Javier won again. I absolutly love him. I've loved him since his first international competition. I told my bf to watch out for this spanish dude, hes goin to be real good someday. My bf told me he didnt think so and there was too much to work on with his skating but I told him to wait a few years and tell me that.. Well now look at his world championship medals . :clapper:

 

[Khoai]

He can medal. But he has to think of upgrading his tech next season if he wants to stay on podium.

 

[cathlen]

He can medal. But he has to think of upgrading his tech next season if he wants to stay on podium.

That's my kind of thinking too. Next season more juniors with quads will turn senior. It will get really crowded in the top. i think even winning GP will get really hard.

 

[tureis]

I still think it's the right short-term tactic for Javi to aim for two clean skates in Helsinki with his current content. If he pulls it off, I don't see how he wouldn't be on the podium, regardless of what anyone else skates. Javi's clean SP score could be as high as 108 (without the wild landings from Ostrava), and we already have his clean FS score of 216 from Boston, but even that could go slightly higher, because Javi lost a couple of points on a spin level and an unclear edge call. So we are looking at a potential maximum score of around 325-326. That is a massive score, with a gigantic if skated clean attached to it of course.

I believe these kind of scores would still be just slightly out of reach for Shoma and Nathan for now, even if they skate their content clean. Yuzu is a different matter of course. If he goes clean, he will easily sail past these scores. But, as it has been pointed out before, the 4-5 quad free skates also involve more risks, and a higher likelihood of mistakes. If ALL of these guys were able pull off two clean skates in Helsinki, well, then I will definitely lose my mind in the arena :eeking:, but it would be a huuuuuge miracle.

How Javi will go forward after Helsinki is a very different matter. The PCS (and GOE) gap he currently has over the young guys is likely to shrink further during next season. The main contenders may significantly improve consistency (or in Nathan's case, maintain it). They may add even further content for next season (5th quad for Yuzu and Shoma? 6th quad for Nathan and Boyang?) Even more quadsters can surface. All of these point toward the unavoidable: if Javi doesn't want to rely on mistakes from others to have a shot at the Olympic podium and virtually no chance for gold, he will be forced to consider adding that 4Lo as his fourth quad in his FS.

I sort of understand Javi's reluctance. These guys are 17-18, Javi is 26. His ligaments, joints and bones have 8 extra years of wear and tear. A body can only take so much. If Javi starts training that 4Lo for competition, he may end up pushing himself over his physical limitations. That's a big big thing to risk! Even so, I wouldn't be surprised if they start working on the jump with Brian over the summer, and then see how Javi is holding up physically before they decide about including it.

 

[liv]

I think this year is still good. They judges like his programs, have been giving him good marks for what he puts on the ice, and when he is in good shape and in a good frame of mind he can really sell a program. The key is clean. He has to be clean (if they are also clean).

Next year is a totally different story. The PCS differential will close, more BV... I'd be thinking of adding content, for sure. Better do the work in the summer than find out too late and not be able to add anything for PC.

 

[Meoima]

He is still the only European top man, this season he might get enough love. Next season... yeah he definitely needs higher BV.
People should understand that he won't reach his LP scores last season again now that 4-5 quads Lp is the standard.

 

[tureis]

He is still the only European top man, this season he might get enough love. Next season... yeah he definitely needs higher BV.
People should understand that he won't reach his LP scores last season again now that 4-5 quads Lp is the standard.

Umm, are you suggesting that judges may give lower GOE for a 3Lo or 3Lz this year compared to last, because now there are a couple of guys landing quads? Because judges don't seem to be going lower on PCS. If anything, Javi's PCS may have actually gone up slightly since last season relative to the programs he's produced. Also, I think it's a bit early to call a 4-5 quad FS the standard, when the very few guys even trying aren't doing them without mistakes yet. (Except Nathan, sort of.)

 

[tzazu]

How Javi will go forward after Helsinki is a very different matter. The PCS (and GOE) gap he currently has over the young guys is likely to shrink further during next season. The main contenders may significantly improve consistency (or in Nathan's case, maintain it). They may add even further content for next season (5th quad for Yuzu and Shoma? 6th quad for Nathan and Boyang?) Even more quadsters can surface. All of these point toward the unavoidable: if Javi doesn't want to rely on mistakes from others to have a shot at the Olympic podium and virtually no chance for gold, he will be forced to consider adding that 4Lo as his fourth quad in his FS.

I sort of understand Javi's reluctance. These guys are 17-18, Javi is 26. His ligaments, joints and bones have 8 extra years of wear and tear. A body can only take so much. If Javi starts training that 4Lo for competition, he may end up pushing himself over his physical limitations. That's a big big thing to risk! Even so, I wouldn't be surprised if they start working on the jump with Brian over the summer, and then see how Javi is holding up physically before they decide about including it.

I think here lies in the biggest problem. Can he land a 4Lo? Yes. Could he do a 4-5 quad FS without too many costly mistakes? Dunno. Maintain healthy, without injuries til OG with 4-5 quads in the FS? Doubt it. The same problem goes to the other skaters too, but they are younger and their bodies haven't taken so much...yet. I believe he should raise his BV , but I don't know how without a real risk here. I'm sure he and his team are trying to figure it out too, taking into account pros and cons.