First I am stating what I think is, not what I think should be - let's keep that clear.
I don't see this cause getting any better with arguments like these made. But both sides seem to be doing it, so I guess both are entitle to being just as irrational in their course of action.
I think your quote should say "should" not "would". Equally can you think of a career that should be more homosexual friendly than acting...but we all know what Hollywood is like.
Sport, not a business, not Hollywood. I could have said nothing is more homosexuality friendly then a gay dating service, what's you point when I was asking / discussing Sport?
But if officials at national federations are telling skaters that they must not come out and their way of carryingout their threats is not giving them the wins/marks, then they are bringing sexuality into the sport.
I think that is conjecture with fabrication wrapped in exaggeration. JMO
Of course there is a need to promote it. The only openly gay skaters...or skater in amature competition felt his homosexuality was always being criticised, that his marks suffered, that he was told to "tone it down". That does not sound like acceptance. Just because people are "aware" of something it does not mean they accept it.
What, sport or sexuality? FS to be about FS, some obviously want to turn it into their own platform for advocacy.
I have accepted homosexuality (obviously more then some of you know), I want to see a sport and could care less if they show Jeff's boyfriend or Evan's girlfriend. But some are just so hung up on it, no wonder there is opposition.
I don't agree with why but I see why.
The "sys" has been judging based on the "whole of" the skater, not a mystery. If they have been using the sport of FS as their vehicle for acceptance of different types of sexuality the people who want it to be about sport are going to be pissed.
That is such a cop out argument though, its like having a war on "terror". We can always blame "society" for everything, but what and who do you think society is made up of?
I am not "blaming society," I am saying
address society directly. It is as though some are reading this and hearing what they are
assuming and it is only
negative toward me rather then toward the ideas.
Of course there is a need to promote it. The only openly gay skaters...or skater in amature competition felt his homosexuality was always being criticised, that his marks suffered, that he was told to "tone it down". That does not sound like acceptance. Just because people are "aware" of something it does not mean they accept it.
It sounds like a compromise which is usually a precursor to change. And if acceptance is really the goal, some you will and some never will. No matter how right it is, if someone doesn't want it, it is going to be tolerance only, no matter what you do. Actually if you try shoving down peoples throats they will never accept it.
Wrong. Everyone "assumes" there is homosexuality in the men taking part in FS and many draw negative conclusions from it. I have yet to hear anyone alledging homosexuality in the females that take part in the sport. And just because people assume something it doesn't make then particularly aware or sympathetic.
So what, I thought the whole point is it shouldn't matter.
It is not a matter of assumption there is homosexuality in FS. Your comments, Rudy's past comments... EVERYONE KNOWS FS KNOWS there is because people who are in it, come out and say there is.
With your theory, that it is just an "assumption," then all of this about the ISU not being gay friendly would be all assumption using YOUR definition of the word assume. I don't believe that is what you said because I am using reason to dictate how your comments should be received - you and others could learn from that example right there.
So discrimination is ok as long as the majority of society are doing so.
Pathetic attempt at putting words in my mouth / post.
Reality is tough and can see the fact that if I don't just agree people will get all Huffy puffy, I accept that, but how these ideologies are being depicted as
how I feel opposed to an alternate possibility is just more narrow minded than I ever expected.
I have said many times I agree with the cause of homosexuality acceptance, but if I don't go with the flow of "
oh it is being addressed so perfectly and the only ones that are wrong are the "establishment," then posters start putting words in my mouth - I am just trying to get to the heart of the matter and
stop with this conjecture and hypocritical Hate vs. Hate crap that is counter productive. If you all are assuming what they are thinking, then they have every right to assume yours.
As has often been said on the boards - if you're not interested, don't read it.
What in the world would make you think I am not interested???
Seanibu - I'm surprised at how much you suck up to the establishment. After reading your take on society, figure skating, and homosexuality and reading Antman's retort, it would seem that you support that it would be best to remain closeted. That's ok for you but not for many other people.
You read my posts WITHIN antman's retort, didn't you.
No not OK for me, if you were surprised you could have thought about what I really might be trying to do or say rather then go along with someone on a illogical emotional tangent of displacement and incomprehension of what I was doing / saying.
It is in all of my posts on this topic.
" NOT THAT I FEEL THAT WAY" or "NOT THAT I AGEE WITH."
It is so aparent in all my posts regarding this topic that I am saying MAYBE
THEY FEEL! Yet some can't see, No wonder it is a problem.
In an economy driven lifestyle, money talks, and religion guides the leaders. Should we not complain sometimes?
Joe
So is one allowed to complain and not the other? Is the topic afraid to see other possibilities??????
Again really surprised that some can't see what the intent is here. But if you read into what Ant was re-fabricating my words to say AND saying that is how I felt rather then just an argument presented then I can see where you were mislead. I think some of you should just know better, or at least read the things that say "THIS IS HOW I FEEL" opposed to "MAYBE THIS IS WHAT IS GOING ON."
RE:
Again, reading the things that say "THIS IS HOW I FEEL" is different then "MAYBE THIS IS WHAT IS GOING ON" - your attitudes might be a little more on track with what I am presenting as a possibility and not saying this is how Sean feels. 
hope
Maybe it's time to move on. How many times are we going to rehash this tired debate on his sexuality? USFSA is homophobic? DUH! You have to be blind to to notice it. 
But how many threads do we need on this subject? I feel like we've been discussion this non-stop since Mark Lund!
