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Johnny's Reaction in the K&C

Evan's thought is not new

many sports writers have said the same thing for years. Perhaps he's trying to follow their advice?
 
Evan's costumes both for his SP and FS are REALLY boring. They are mourning black and whenever I saw him skate, I was wondering if he thinks that would make him look more "decent", which is just ridiculous. But his interview shows that he actually thinks like that. Maybe he's going to wear black year after year. ha
 
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Tonichelle said:
Evan's thought is not new

many sports writers have said the same thing for years. Perhaps he's trying to follow their advice?
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IIRC, Scott Hamilton adopted the speed skating costume for reasons largely similar to those expressed by Lysacek -- so maybe, Evan is trying to follow in Scott's footsteps?
 
attyfan said:
IIRC, Scott Hamilton adopted the speed skating costume for reasons largely similar to those expressed by Lysacek -- so maybe, Evan is trying to follow in Scott's footsteps?
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that's what I was thinking and I think I brought it up either on this thread or a similar one... :)
 
But that was over 20 years ago. Hasn't US society developed more fluid ideas of gender since Hamilton's era? Can't skating accept the diversity of gender images shown by both male and female skaters today? including being open to queens and less macho male skaters, as well as women in unitards, Bonnie-and-Clyde dance numbers, Tonya Harding types as well as Sasha Cohen ballerinas? Heck, if mainstream TV shows can do it, why not skating?
 
Spun Silver said:
But that was over 20 years ago. Hasn't US society developed more fluid ideas of gender since Hamilton's era? Can't skating accept the diversity of gender images shown by both male and female skaters today? including being open to queens and less macho male skaters, as well as women in unitards, Bonnie-and-Clyde dance numbers, Tonya Harding types as well as Sasha Cohen ballerinas? Heck, if mainstream TV shows can do it, why not skating?
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I see these as good points personally, and wish it could. But I think the last sentence sums up why it isn't. Because it isn't a TV show.
 
JACJR said:
Can anyone acutally believe a change in costumes will have an effect on the perception of mens figure skating? How does a sequin count equate to a sexual preference? Flamboyant costuming does not seem to bother european skating fans, nor doe it impede the superior skating skills of european men.
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I think it will help the Sport and bring in more viewers as well as young boys seeing it as a masculine game and start figure skating.

What is the point of having sequins? It will not change the scoring system. It's just a fashion statement which some fans need. Every year there is a fashion statement in Tennis but it will not help the player. Aces will, and so will Quads.

Joe
 
Joesitz said:
I think it will help the Sport and bring in more viewers as well as young boys seeing it as a masculine game and start figure skating.

What is the point of having sequins? It will not change the scoring system. It's just a fashion statement which some fans need. Every year there is a fashion statement in Tennis but it will not help the player. Aces will, and so will Quads.

Joe
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Great points!
 
Joe I agree with the statement.

Yes flowy, pretty costumes make it a very individual show... but it is a sport first and foremost...

Funky costumes would to better in exhibition

that being said some of the most unique costumes are among my favorites lol it's a catch 22 for the skating fanatic.
 
They could make it seem more like a sport if they wore speed skate unitards, or had no music, or no choreo- if they just came out and did jump sequences. But, all of those things would be a travesty. The art, theatre aspect of skating shouldn't be diminished just so some idiot out there can watch it w/out his manhood being questioned. It might bring in more boys if they 'toned down' the costumes but, what about the little boys who like it fine for what it is? The ones who love the artsy fun side of it? Changing FS to make it more masculine might bring in more fans sure, the ignorant ones, but it would be at the cost of the fans who love the artistic portion of it. A good program tells a story-the costume is part of that story, if the story is best told using sequins then so be it.

Hasn't US society developed more fluid ideas of gender since Hamilton's era? Can't skating accept the diversity of gender images shown by both male and female skaters today? including being open to queens and less macho male skaters
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apparently not.
 
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when did a costume become artistry... I thought artistry came through how you interpretted music. I thought costumes were supposed to enhance and support teh skater?

oh wait, I'm one of the many ignorant, aren't I? ;)
 
Dead horse beating time for SeaniBu.:laugh:

As much as I like a wide range of attire for men - I would say they MIGHT be onto something. Either that or they are just using my ideas:laugh: One must figure the marketing staff is doing some research - I hope so it is their job - and some of these ideas are going to be sound in increasing the image acceptance and popularity. Of course I agree with Evan, for these are ideas that I was thinking too - even though for personal "liking" it didn't matter to me.

One thing that I think is getting associated with "spangles" is "not so classy anymore." They sell kits you can do yourself and Las Vegas style probably comes to mind for many when they see them. It is an association factor of society now that it is not as "classy" to wear. Fashion on Ice had some good direction for that is more what people see as classy. Dare I say some people may perceive the "spangle or sparkly" as cheesy or even cheep.

If attire changes make FS more popular I will be happy regardless. It is the least of what I find wonderful about the sport. If athleticism and artistic expression are the MOST defining features of FS I will be happy. Changing the attire to me does not mean changing the essence of what FS is. Besides fashions change. Sometime a choice of what is most important must be made.

I also think the little girls sport notion is starting to decline. But we'll see.:biggrin:
 
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Tonichelle said:
when did a costume become artistry
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Of course they're part of the artistic interpretation of the program. That's why the costumes often match the program? Joubert's matrix and Bond costume, Johnny's feathers = swan, Spanish music w/ a Spanish themed costume etc. The costume is supposed to work w/ the music to convey the 'story' the skater is telling. The story can be told w/out sequins but, regardless of sequins or not a boring costume that doesn't match the music or theme of the program takes away from the artistry of the piece.
 
Is it a given that if sequins, spangles and sparkles are not used the costumes will become boring? I think it might put more emphasis on the skater and the moves and shapes they create. Relying more on the skater to present the expression is not a bad thing IMO anyway. Tugba's practice routine I just watched I found very expressive considering she was in her practice attire AND not competing.

Not that I agree with this comment but, "either you have it or you don't" I am hearing a lot. Then how can a type of outfit give it to you?
 
OT in this men's thread, but...is this a beautiful dress or what?!!! To me, it says, "And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden."

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Synnabun/MICHELLEKWAN/1a7d.jpg

(BTW, the Land of Nod has been identified as Toledo, Ohio. The four "heads" into which the waters of Eden were gathered were the Great lakes. And the Garden of Eden itself? Detroit, of course.) :yes:
 
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Mathman said:
OT in this men's thread, but...is this a beautiful dress or what?!!! To me, it says, "And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden."

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Synnabun/MICHELLEKWAN/1a7d.jpg
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: So that makes Frank ....;)

Funny, I always exspect a picture of MK when MM posts it.

:agree: Lovely. and the dress too;)

In the spirit of things, my recent favorite
http://www.scratchspin.com/2006/fashion06/0612454.jpg
 
Tonichelle said:
Evan's thought is not new

many sports writers have said the same thing for years. Perhaps he's trying to follow their advice?
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No sequins, no bull fighting outfit that doesn't fit, what's this world coming to??? I think he should do something about his hair............like get it styled.

Dee
 
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