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Jump hype or soap opera: what can make the general public of the U.S. fall in love with figure skating again?

Soccer, for starters :biggrin:
Probably the most popular sport globally, completely irrelevant in US, and not caring one inch about it.,..
Saw a map on Facebook recently with most of the world coloured red and just two splotches of blue. The explanation with it was red=countries where football/soccer is the most watched sport. Blue was hockey. The two splotches were Canada and Finland.
 
Personally I just love watching great skaters in great programmes - whether in a competition, a gala or a show, does not make much difference to me. I go for aesthetics, for the sheer beauty of it, not for adrenaline. TBH, I had to learn to tolerate they competed after all and beauty would not always win (although in my personal book, it should, should it not? and it was just so annoying when it didn't). OTOH, boring, poorly performed programmes do not become better or more interesting because they are skated for competition, just more annoying if not scored accordingly.
Yes, if you ask me, I go more for the art than for the sport.
As events, great shows like Yuzuru's ice stories are beyond any competition for me, but then they are not just about skating and so much more than a typical ice show. They are called a new genre and rightly so. And honestly, now this is what I like watching the most, do not miss competition mood at all, just two hours of great music, great skating , great imagery, colours, lights, visuals, narrations, poetry, and it all coming together for some great story to remember making me both breathe and feel. And no single thought about scores, competition, rivalries, rotations, nothing of the sort. A fan paradise :rock:

But, of course, when I watch a comp, I am rooting for those I like, and go through all the strong "sport" emotions. Just they are neither the reason, not the goal for me.
 
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Agree. I almost never watch a gala, although I did watch the tribute program.

I find gala performances generally to be uninspired or just plain silly. Different strokes for different folks.
I loved watching galas as a kid, while actual competitions often bored me. Nowadays it's other way around.
But, in the past part of the gala appeal was that they were free from suffocating conservatism in music and programs which was in place in days of yore. I think this was particularly true with ice dance. Nowadays, there is often little difference between free dance and gala number. Actually they're often same program...🤖

Any way, regarding the topic itself....is it the quality of US skating stars which is lacking? Lets see: USA currently has Ilia Malinin, Amber Glenn, Alysa Liu, Isabeau Levito, Jason Brown, Chock/Bates...
Yeah, it's not. If that bunch of athletes can't make a sport popular, nothing will.

And if it takes Kerrigan/Harding style drama to make skating popular again...well, I'm not an American, but personally I would rather have the sport stay unpopular.
 
^ That was an interesting clip. She didn't seem to like the Disney camera man telling her, "Smile, honey."

I remember that at the time they made two versions of her saying."I'm going to Disney World!!!" to air right after the Olympic skating. In one, the voiceover said, "Nancy. you just won the Olympic gold medal. What are you going to do next?"

The other (the one they aired when she didn't win) was, "Nancy you won the hearts of America. What are you going to do next?" Well, at least she didn't say, "I'm going to rip those stupid false eyelashes off Oksana's face."
 
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for a while I did watch exhibition skating on nbc. Then they got a production company that would cut from the skaters to show the band playing. Which showed a total lack of confidence in showing skating. I mean imagine cutting from a moving skater to a static shot of a band! And most programs could be really cheesy and corny and such a put on that was not believable. Even the recent tribute show which was mostly very moving had that.
 
for a while I did watch exhibition skating on nbc. Then they got a production company that would cut from the skaters to show the band playing.
Yeah, I agree that those shows were duds. Someone got the idea that what would increase the popularity of figure skating was to pair it with a hot band or live singer. Quite naturally the agents for the band/singer insisted on so many minutes of air time for their clients, during which the TV audience would just have to imagine that someone was out there skating.
 
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It just shows how the current crop of champs is less popular with Japanese audiences which are basically most welcoming skating audiences in the world, and despite great efforts, these current champs are not able to win this public over.
The current skaters can't think outside of their COP box anymore. Take this or this for example. It is so ingrained in them that repetition of movements is bad, that for every turn you do in one direction, you also have to do in the other direction, that you have to use your upper body whenever possible. Mao doesn't care about these things and creates simple (?) and yet effective step sequences. (Obviously that's just my opinion that this is an issue 😆). Also rarely anyone has an iconic program anymore that you can't wait to see in a show? And no one shows the commitment that Mao showed for her exhibition programs even when she was still competing.
 
The current skaters can't think outside of their COP box anymore. Take this or this for example. It is so ingrained in them that repetition of movements is bad, that for every turn you do in one direction, you also have to do in the other direction...
I think it's the same old "sport versus art" thing. The IJS gives more points to hard tricks than to easier ones, in common with all sports. It is harder to turn in both directions in a step sequence (with equal quality in both directions) than it is to turn in the same direction over and over. As for "art," it greatly helps when the audience is already predisposed to cheer a wildly popular and universally beloved artist/athlete of fond memory.
 
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As for "art," it greatly helps when the audience is already predisposed to cheer a wildly popular and universally beloved artist/athlete of fond memory.
True. And yet, each "wildly popular and universally beloved artist/athlete of fond memory" was once a debutant known to no one, and had to gain this wild popularity and love against all the rest of the field, while subjected to the same scoring system as everybody else. And yet they have become who they are while 99% of their competition did not.
When it comes to popularity and love, Mao Asada, and in particular Yuzuru and Yuna in Korea, are now unmatched, beyond any comparison or competition, and they were that way long before they turned professional. You can say they have earned their success as pro skaters while still on the competitive ice - and then kept building on it and went on working, creating, growing in all sorts of aspects of their trade, delivering and delighting the audiences. They started selling stadiums then, and just never stopped.
Frankly, I don't see any candidates for this level of pro career success among the current seniors crop who would stay a magnet for such big crowds years after they won their last medals. And I am not sure whose fault is that but maybe this is the ultimate answer to the question in this thread's title? That FS is this kind of sport which cannot become and/or stay popular in the absence of real big-time stars, those with the star quality going beyond the narrow FS fan club? And the current system just does not facilitate the selection and growth of such natural stars, even if some have the potential, no matter how much paid or unpaid PR goes into pushing X or Y? If they are not able to captivate the audience with their skating and their personality, it does not really matter how many people are "exposed" or lured to click... if they will never come back. And to captivate the audience with their skating, they need to have programmes which allow them to shine, and not just drill, baby, drill these jumps.
So maybe ultimately this sport is simply not able to win the public over and get popular when neglecting the performing art and losing the balance between the two?
How about that? Food for thought...
 
When it comes to popularity and love, Mao Asada, and in particular Yuzuru and Yuna in Korea, are now unmatched, beyond any comparison or competition, and they were that way long before they turned professional.
In my opinion it is impossible to anticipate or predict -- much less to orchestrate -- when such a perfect storm situation is going to develop.

I am sitting here right now watching college gymnastics on U.S. network TV. College gymnastics? Network TV? Who knew there was such a thing as college gymnastics?.

But this year Olympian Jordan Chiles joined the UCLA (University of California at Los Angeles) team (12 and 2 overall, 0-0 in the new expanded Big Ten conference this season). Not only did Chiles perform beyond expectations at the 2024 Olympics, but she has remained in the news because of an ongoing dispute over the judging (now in the Swiss courts). All of a sudden college gymnastics is big. Plus, the college version is more entertaining (to me), especially the floor routines, and the scoring system is easier for inexpert fans to follow compared to international and Olympic rules.
 
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In my opinion it is impossible to anticipate or predict -- much less to orchestrate -- when such a perfect storm situation is going to develop.

I am sitting here right now watching college gymnastics on U.S. network TV. College gymnastics? Network TV? Who knew there was such a thing as college gymnastics?.

But this year Olympian Jordan Chiles joined the UCLA (University of California at Los Angeles) team (12 and 2 overall, 0-0 in the new expanded Big Ten conference this season). Not only did Chiles perform beyond expectations at the 2024 Olympics, but she has remained in the news because of an ongoing dispute over the judging (now in the Swiss courts). All of a sudden college gymnastics is big. Plus, the college version is more entertaining (to me), especially the floor routines, and the scoring system is easier for inexpert fans to follow compared to international and Olympic rules.
Well, I did, I was introduced to US college gymnastics watched on internet even before Paris and I had not been a fan of this sport at all. I guess, having teen kids at the right age and into the college culture is enough, even if you are on a different continent :)
But Jordan Chiles is a great example. She was a part of the iconic all-Black Olympic podium which made the headlines all around the globe and which millions loved instantly even though so many of them had not watched even one of the routines in question, and those millions were later hugely disappointed when this iconic podium was taken away from them for what many thought "bureaucratic", or "airy-fairy" reasons. Shame, right? (Though if you ask me, it was Rebeca Andrade who was the real queen of the day from among the three queens, at least here, and again, so many people rooted for her and were delighted in her win for off-the-arena reasons).
Still, it just goes to show how a great story helps an athlete, or even several athletes, as is the case here, to become a legend, and how it can turn a champion into a star (mind you, in the case of Jordan it was not even the gold, and in the end of the day she ended up off the podium completely, at least for now, and yet it turned her into a star).
As much for those who claim a story is not important, and results are all that matter.... Nope.
So many things need to align together to shoot a new star onto the sky... :)
Happy Holidays!
 
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Well, I did, I was introduced to US college gymnastics watched on internet even before Paris and I had not been a fan of this sport at all. I guess, having teen kids at the right age and into the college culture is enough, even if you are on a different continent :)
But Jordan Chiles is a great example. She was a part of the iconic all-Black Olympic podium which made the headlines all around the globe and which millions loved instantly even though so many of them had not watched even one of the routines in question, and those millions were later hugely disappointed when this iconic podium was taken away from them for what many thought "bureaucratic", or "airy-fairy" reasons. Shame, right? (Though if you ask me, it was Rebeca Andrade who was the real queen of the day from among the three queens, at least here, and again, so many people rooted for her and were delighted in her win for off-the-arena reasons).
Still, it just goes to show how a great story helps an athlete, or even several athletes, as is the case here, to become a legend, and how it can turn a champion into a star (mind you, in the case of Jordan it was not even the gold, and in the end of the day she ended up off the podium completely, at least for now, and yet it turned her into a star).
As much for those who claim a story is not important, and results are all that matter.... Nope.
So many things need to align together to shoot a new star onto the sky... :)
Happy Holidays!
Yeah, it's like the NCAA women's gymnastics championships has been on network television since the early 00s, maybe before. It used to be tape-delayed on CBS, but the community has worked so hard over the past couple decades to get it live. They even changed the format for the post-season. I don't remember exactly when, but ESPN/ABC got the rights fairly recently, as well.
 
It's probably already been mentioned - but making figure skating cheaper, both as a spectator event and also at a grassroots level. A lot of people (especially in america) are focused on surviving day-to-day life, and many sports offer cheaper participation at the recreational level and to watch. Even if they start to advertise less attended competitions (e.g. competitions with lower level importance), and offer extremely low entry prices, it could engage local communities a lot more. Offering cheaper adult group classes and school skating classes would also get the excitement higher amongst all demographics.

I feel this could have a bigger impact than changes made to the sport itself.
 
It's probably already been mentioned - but making figure skating cheaper, both as a spectator event and also at a grassroots level. A lot of people (especially in america) are focused on surviving day-to-day life, and many sports offer cheaper participation at the recreational level and to watch. Even if they start to advertise less attended competitions (e.g. competitions with lower level importance), and offer extremely low entry prices, it could engage local communities a lot more. Offering cheaper adult group classes and school skating classes would also get the excitement higher amongst all demographics.

I feel this could have a bigger impact than changes made to the sport itself.
Cranberry Open at the Skating club of Boston in Norwood was very inexpensive. And I went to the practices for free. The problem is is that there is no advertising of figure skating.
 
Cranberry Open at the Skating club of Boston in Norwood was very inexpensive. And I went to the practices for free. The problem is is that there is no advertising of figure skating.
For a competition like Cranberry Open, the hosting club needs to get all the local TV and radio stations (and websites) to do features on the upcoming competition, to attract local audiences. Those fluffy interviews are worth a lot more in raising awareness than ads. Though ads at bus shelters, etc, could also be helpful in making people aware that an event is happening.
 
For a competition like Cranberry Open, the hosting club needs to get all the local TV and radio stations (and websites) to do features on the upcoming competition, to attract local audiences. Those fluffy interviews are worth a lot more in raising awareness than ads. Though ads at bus shelters, etc, could also be helpful in making people aware that an event is happening.
They were using (and I hope paying) Gracie for ads. She was on the Zamboni too. Well her image, not her physical presence.

Alysa was here today doing fluff for Nationals. She threw out the first pitch at a Cardinals game and did a lot of other stuff apparently.
 
It's probably already been mentioned - but making figure skating cheaper, both as a spectator event and also at a grassroots level. A lot of people (especially in america) are focused on surviving day-to-day life, and many sports offer cheaper participation at the recreational level and to watch. Even if they start to advertise less attended competitions (e.g. competitions with lower level importance), and offer extremely low entry prices, it could engage local communities a lot more. Offering cheaper adult group classes and school skating classes would also get the excitement higher amongst all demographics.

I feel this could have a bigger impact than changes made to the sport itself.
LTS classes have gone from $65 to $95 in the past several years around here. I believe that’s 6 weeks.

That may or may not be cheap for any particular person.
 
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