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Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

but you're saying the Russian federation and Eteri's team weren't aware of the banned substance
being found in the athletes system between it's discovery on Dec 25th until just a few days ago
when this blew up, not all skaters are discovered with banned substances, she was under specific scrutiny.
I think they gave Kamila's sample on Dec 25th

Feb 8 was when they got the results of the sample.

So as far as they were concerned, it was business as usual. No one knew the sample was positive.

I think this is what happened. Correct me if it's wrong.
 
but you're saying the Russian federation and Eteri's team weren't aware of the banned substance
being found in the athletes system between it's discovery on Dec 25th until just a few days ago
when this blew up, not all skaters are discovered with banned substances, she was under specific scrutiny.
Yes that is what I am saying, because that is all we know. And it wasn't discovered on 25th of December. Kamila was tested that day.
 
I think they gave Kamila's sample on Dec 25th

Feb 8 was when they got the results of the sample.

So as far as they were concerned, it was business as usual. No one knew the sample was positive.

I think this is what happened. Correct me if it's wrong.

Oh ok, from the wording of the disclaimers I understood that substance has been discovered on the
25 of December, So the Russian federation wasn't award of this and they couldn't make decisions
accordingly, Fair enough. so I did ask someone a few minutes ago, why do you think that is how
the process goes? seems kinda dangerous
 
Yes, even if you are innocent, suspencion is mandatory. I think it depends on what kind of substance it is though.

I was thinking of Norwegian cross country skier Therese Johaug. She used an ointment for her sunburnt lips. The oinment was bought in Italy and given to her by the Norwegian physician. He had missed that there was a forbidden substance in that ointment. Therese was suspended for a year by the Norwegian Authorities, but the FIS (the international ski federation) appealed the decision and CAS prolonged it to 18 months. Which meant that Johaug missed the Olympics 2018. She was innocent in all this and had to suffer a lot because of it. In this case, the substance was an anabolic steroid, so it might not be comparable to Kamila's case.
The Johaug case still makes me angry. Because they came up with this perfect cover up story. This cream isn't a lip balm or a sun cream like they claimed. It is used on skin lesions, when your legs are open and infected because of problems with arteries and burns. I don't believe that she was innocent, they trained and doped in Italy because they knew this cream was available there, at least that's what many people think. But a lot of tears, a doctor who takes all the blame and a strong Federation can save your career. I was glad that she wasn't allowed to compete in 2018 because that would have been a farce and very unfair. And she doesn't need the microdose anabolic doping in any case, she can win without it, but she can't train that hard, because that's what this is all about. Shorter recovery - more time to train.
We are taking about very hard working and driven athletes here.
Johaug has won her Olympic Gold medal now and I hope she learned her lesson - even If I judge her unfairly, she shouldn't have ignored the Doping symbol in the product in any case.
 
What did I do?
I said that she should be withdrewed from Olympic. She is positive. She shouldnt be here in the first placeDo you know any athlete who competed after being positive?
there is called a process, she is allowed to practice after suspension of practice was successfully appealed. your spiting at the wrong person
 
They're going to try to make the claim that this was accidental ingestion.... so I wonder how many out of competition samples were taken from her. It wouldn't make a lot of sense to pass many out of competition tests and then fail an in competition one. But I don't think this logic will work as Sports.ru from time to time lists people who have had out of competition samples taken and for the ones who are test it's usually only once a year. It would be curious to see how many and how often Tutberidze's skaters were tested out of competition. I do remember Anna being on the list. (I'm going to look this info up).
Actually, these articles don't list if the samples taken were out of competition or not. But they list Zagitova as being checked once in 2021 when she was not competing.

2019: https://www.sports.ru/figure-skating/1079234393.html
2020: https://www.sports.ru/figure-skatin...uemoj-rusada-figuristkoj-po-itogam-2020-.html
2021: https://www.sports.ru/figure-skatin...i-samymi-testiruemymi-rusada-figuristami.html

Valieva actually looks to be the least tested of the Tutberidze skaters. Shcherbakova has been the most tested.
 
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Oh ok, from the wording of the disclaimers I understood that substance has been discovered on the
25 of December, So the Russian federation wasn't award of this and they couldn't make decisions
accordingly, Fair enough. so I did ask someone a few minutes ago, why do you think that is how
the process goes? seems kinda dangerous
So from all my reading (usual disclaimer about accuracy etc) RUSADA is not allowed to test the samples because they are deemed untrustworthy (?). So they have to send the samples to some lab in another country.

I suspect because of Covid everything is just slow. And maybe they expected the results to be negative so everyone lived life like normal until Feb 8 when the results arrived and then 💥💥💥💣.... Well you know the rest.
 
Can I ask you why you think that might be? just theorise with me 🙃
A reason I can think off, that it´s not very unlikely giving the circumstances we are in, is that the lab who analyzed is having staff shortness because of covid sickness or work overload due to covid test. Or a good mix of both. I don´t know if the last one is even an option, is the same lab doing covid tests? I know from Norwegian labs they are very overworked and working a lot of overtime, and covid test have been top priority. All though the there should be some kind of priority of those test as well. Anyways if they are not doing covid test they could still have staff shortness.

But I have to admit the timing is terrible yes. I hope there will be some explanation about the timeline as well.
 
but not against a minor. imagine a stranger going to your kid and asking provocative questions.
If he / she would be a professional athlete competing at the Olympics than it would be OK.
Professional athletes are public figures like politicians so they must (must, according to the law of my country) tolerate much more from the press (for instance in terms of their privacy) than everyday citizens have to.
Ad this applies regardless of their age becasue the compete at an adult competition.
 
So from all my reading (usual disclaimer about accuracy etc) RUSADA is not allowed to test the samples because they are deemed untrustworthy (?). So they have to send the samples to some lab in another country.

I suspect because of Covid everything is just slow. And maybe they expected the results to be negative so everyone lived life like normal until Feb 8 when the results arrived and then 💥💥💥💣.... Well you know the rest.

Cool than that answers my entire question as to the RusFed decision making in Jan-Feb that
seemed so strange to me :laugh:
 
If you are worried that she is a CHILD, isolate her from the child abuser Eteri before the reporter.
while I was desdain Kamila was not accompanied by an adult. the male eastern journalist did the provocative harassment. abuser is a strong word do its better to ssk the athletes about how they were treated.
 
If he / she would be a professional athlete competing at the Olympics than it would be OK.
Professional athletes are public figures like politicians so they must (must, according to the law of my country) tolerate much more from the press (for instance in terms of their privacy) than everyday citizens have to.
Ad it is valid regardless of their age becasue the compete at an adult competition.
are you joking ? even child actors and celebrities don't get these kind of athlete's scrutiny
 
but you're saying the Russian federation and Eteri's team weren't aware of the banned substance
being found in the athletes system between it's discovery on Dec 25th until just a few days ago
when this blew up, not all skaters are discovered with banned substances, she was under specific scrutiny.

Nothing was discovered on Dec 25th
 
I think they gave Kamila's sample on Dec 25th

Feb 8 was when they got the results of the sample.

So as far as they were concerned, it was business as usual. No one knew the sample was positive.

I think this is what happened. Correct me if it's wrong.
That is correct. After that, the Russian Anti-Doping association provisionally suspended her. She appealed and they lifted the suspension. Now that decision is being appealed, by the WADA, the IOC and the ISU, to the CAS (?) the court of sports arbitration, with a decision to be issued before the individual event. Any suspension would be provisional, with a full hearing later on whether there should be a permanent punishment (or an acquittal). The TE medals won't be awarded until the final decision is made.
 
That is correct. After that, the Russian Anti-Doping association provisionally suspended her. She appealed and they lifted the suspension. Now that decision is being appealed, by the WADA, the IOC and the ISU, to the CAS (?) the court of sports arbitration with a decision to be issued before the individual event. Any suspension would be provisional, with a hearing later on whether there should be a permanent punishment (or an acquittal). The TE medals won't be awarded until the final decision is made.
I hope this is expedited. I want the medalists to get their medals. I want to see Zhou, Chock/Bates, and Hubbell/Donohue get their medals.
 
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