Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

[Thrashergurl]

Innocent in a court of law maybe but, she's already guilty as far as the US press is concerned. It will be interesting to hear the way the ladies event is broadcast in the different countries. Fortunately, it looks like the skaters are backing Kamila.

This simply isn’t a true statement. Most articles I’ve seen are sympathetic towards Kamila and pointing out that her team is ultimately responsible for what is happening. Kamila is 15 and the US has been pretty easy on her. The child isn’t at fault in eyes if the US media, who is pointing out a bigger problem than an underaged girl being doped.

 

[Mista Ekko]

There will be just the case of judgement on whether the GOAT in figure skating should be shamefully banished for what she did or such a punishment is disproportionate to the crime.

In your defence he did ask you to say what your actual thoughts are

But I do wonder why you keep mentioning she's the GOAT as if it factors into the investigation.

 

[Sjs5572]

They might have given her a substance like a food supplement that produces a similar reaction but it does it in minimal quantities. That's why it was never identified before or after. The intentional wrongdoing would be giving her Preductal - the name of a drug that one can easily buy in a pharmacy. I am sure that they did not do it.

My principal belief, now that her Olympic test is negative, is that TT did not intentionally give her WADA forbidden substances. At the same time, I would agree that they gave her some substances. There is no high level sport without pharma these days - I wonder if someone will argue with that.

Shabotova, who was shipped out to Ukraine for her honesty about Sambo 70 doping, would disagree with your view that a prohibited substance was not intentionally administered to Kamila. Also, this link indicates that even the athletes themselves know about the doping. If so, they are culpable as well, and should be banned (including the other Eteri skaters). Are the athletes abused? Yes. Are they also guilty under the WADA rules? Yes

'Of Course They Take It': Russian Teen Figure Skater Regrets Claims Of Widespread Doping

In a live video chat with fans, Anastasia Shabotova suggested Russian figure skaters routinely dope to raise their performance. She didn't expect the reaction that followed.

www.rferl.org

 

[mrrice]

No matter the result ... what is happening is complete unethical and cruel to Kamila ... no matter if she has fault or not...

This is completely true. They're plastering the papers, at least in the US, with her picture. As if a 14 year girl has the power to order these drugs herself. She's not even old enough to drive and at 14, she's not old enough to schedule an appointment with a doctor. It's all so shameful.

 

[Alex Fedorov]

The only way I could see a CAS appeal to Swiss courts here is that if Kamilla has a claim that she was somehow discriminated against because she came from an ethnic Muslim family and religious bias was in play. (IIRC, someone said she was a Tatar)

 

[Magill]

This is completely true. They're plastering the papers, at least in the US, with her picture. As if a 14 year girl has the power to order these drugs herself. She's not even old enough to drive and at 14, she's not old enough to schedule an appointment with a doctor. It's all so shameful.

Just to stick to the facts, she's 15. Turns 16 in two months. Not that it changes much but just for the sake of an informed conversation

 

[mrrice]

This simply isn’t a true statement. Most articles I’ve seen are sympathetic towards Kamila and pointing out that her team is ultimately responsible for what is happening. Kamila is 15 and the US has been pretty easy on her. The child isn’t at fault in eyes if the US media, who is pointing out a bigger problem than an underaged girl being doped.

They might be in your area but, that's not the way it's playing where I live in central California. Things are improving as more skaters begin coming to her defense. I think Adam Rippon speaking up for her was a good thing since he works with Mariah Bell.

 

[beachmouse]

This simply isn’t a true statement. Most articles I’ve seen are sympathetic towards Kamila and pointing out that her team is ultimately responsible for what is happening. Kamila is 15 and the US has been pretty easy on her. The child isn’t at fault in eyes if the US media, who is pointing out a bigger problem than an underaged girl being doped.

The US is still very raw about the Nassar/Karolyi scandal and how talented girls with Olympic dreams can be exploited by others. It's easy to see reflections of that in a girl from a training program that seems to have a Karolyi vibe to it.

 

[skated011]

This simply isn’t a true statement. Most articles I’ve seen are sympathetic towards Kamila and pointing out that her team is ultimately responsible for what is happening. Kamila is 15 and the US has been pretty easy on her. The child isn’t at fault in eyes if the US media, who is pointing out a bigger problem than an underaged girl being doped.

dud u saw CNN posts ? Brennan called her a drug cheat and CNN Posted Russian doped skater. Truly disgusting. I don't know any other culture that does this things, Is it just us media are naturally warmongering or rooted in colonialism mentality.

 

[DancingCactus]

Maybe it's a US vs Russia (stupid) thing, but here in Germany noone blames Valieva, they are all angry at the adults responsible and of course they throw shade at Russia's doping history. I wish this whole Cold War bullshit didn't get dragged up by some countries all the time.

 

[solani]

One of the delays in this case will be the testing of the B sample, which Kamila can request (and I think she has to be present as they test it?). If it comes back positive, there's almost no chance of a false positive and that does drastically lower the chance of tampering. If it's negative, there is a much stronger case to clear her of the violation.

There would be no need for her to be present when they open the B sample. She should send a legal representative. But the question is - will she request the opening of the B sample? We don't know how they are planning to defend her. Would there be enough time for the tests until tuesday? Maybe she could request another Lab ...

 

[Alex Fedorov]

Shabotova, who was shipped out to Ukraine for her honesty about Sambo 70 doping, would disagree with your view that a prohibited substance was not intentionally administered to Kamila.

shipped out to Ukraine for honesty? What an interesting version. So it was written in a special order of the Russian government? Why wasn't she executed on Red Square? But I've heard that it took a long time to issue permission to "change citizenship." Well, of course - here is a 1000% correct source of information about doping in Sambo-70.

 

[skated011]

shipped out to Ukraine for honesty? What an interesting version. So it was written in a special order of the Russian government? Why wasn't she executed on Red Square? But I've heard that it took a long time to issue permission to "change citizenship." Well, of course - here is a 1000% correct source of information about doping in Sambo-70.

in reality shabotova is just a Russian skater skating for ukraine, No difference from Gubanova skating for Georgia or talaikina for italy

 

[mrrice]

Maybe it's a US vs Russia (stupid) thing, but here in Germany noone blames Valieva, they are all angry at the adults responsible and of course they throw shade at Russia's doping history. I wish this whole Cold War bullshit didn't get dragged up by some countries all the time.

I don't think anyone who knows about skating blames Kamila. I certainly don't and NONE of my skating or dance friends blame her either. But, look at the front page of the online press from this morning in my area. Just a HUGE picture of Kamila followed by fine print. This is abuse. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/wi...ed-drug-test/ar-AATJIQp?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

 

[Plisskin]

I guess since I have a degree in journalism and work for my local ABC news I fail to see how the headline Russian Figure Skater Fails Drug Test is offensive. She is russian, a figure skater, and she failed a drug test in December....none of these things are a lie or is placing any blame on her. It's just the facts, as stated by the IOC. Now if the article is, then that's a different story.

 

[Draculus]

The only way I could see a CAS appeal to Swiss courts here is that if Kamilla has a claim that she was somehow discriminated against because she came from an ethnic Muslim family and religious bias was in play. (IIRC, someone said she was a Tatar)

Sorry, who is biased? Sweden lab?

 

[Mathman]

dud u saw CNN posts ? Brennan called her a drug cheat and CNN Posted Russian doped skater. Truly disgusting. I don't know any other culture that does this things, Is it just us media are naturally warmongering or rooted in colonialism mentality.

In Christine Brennan's CNN interview she did not blame the skater but rather the IOC. Her point was that if Russia had been properly punished for abuses in the past, instead of a meaningless slap on the wrist, then the current controversy never would have occurred.

But yeah, she did come off as rather fierce and warmongering.

 

[Amei]

I don't think anyone who knows about skating blames Kamila. I certainly don't and NONE of my skating or dance friends blame her. But, look at the front page of the online press from this morning in my area. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/wi...ed-drug-test/ar-AATJIQp?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

I fail to see whats wrong with it? She failed a drug test that is significantly impacting 1 of the headline sports of the Olympics. They provided a timeline of what happened and who is involved. I don't care for CNN but they didn't demonize her or add any salacious flair about her.

 

[beachmouse]

Sorry, who is biased? Sweden lab?

If there is found to be bias in the decision of CAS, the Swiss court system can make changes to a CAS decision in certain limited circumstances. This requires an appeal by one off the parties in the CAS decision and usually takes a couple of months to review.

 

[McBibus]

Someone in the past days aked how are we coping with this: very very bad.
I did not put the TV on the olympics since, I'm totally uniterested.
Someone just destroyed the most talented skater I ever saw, that is still a kid and badly wounded skating's "magic".
That same someone possibly tainted many of the skaters I loved in the most in the last 2 olympic cicles.
That same someone possibly gave the same ***** to Aliona whom I love like she's my own daughter.
I'm madly furious and the bad sensation that Kami will be the scapegoat sacrified to end it all there and protect the real responsible does not help