Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

[Vlad Karigov]

TUE is just a piece of paper. Most of them are gotten through nefarious ways anyway.

And obviously I don’t think doping is bad behavior. Lance Armstrong is a legend.

Actually there are several papers (questionnaires) that are filled in a couple of days more the observation by a doctor of their behavior for a very limited time ... beyond that there is no real diagnosis.

What do Athletes with ADHD Need to know about TUEs | USADA

Athletes with ADHD can continue using necessary prohibited medications while competing as long as they receive a TUE. Learn more on how to comply.

www.usada.org

 

[gsk8]

IOC Press conference is taking place now. Will keep all posted of any updates. Currently just covering weather, refrigeration systems, etc.

 

[Wafflecakes]

IOC Press conference is taking place now. Will keep all posted of any updates. Currently just covering weather, refrigeration systems, etc.

I hate how they keep all the real information (or lack thereof) to the end.

 

[alexocfp]

If that is the consequence laid out in the rules sure.

If the consequence in the rules is a ban from competition and forfeiture of titles... yes to that as well.

Once again. They agreed to a set of rules, and those rules should be followed.

Draconian rules should be contested.

And the Russian lawyers have taken the IOC to the cleaners repeatedly. What’s one more time?

I make no secret of my disdain for drug testers and the bureaucrats in the labs. One group chooses to collect urine samples and the others, instead of using their knowledge to find a cure for cancer or other diseases, analyze urine to take away an athletes career and livelihoods. Great people this lot.

And, nobody will believe me, but I have no reason to lie, but I’ve never done drugs in my life, except weed a handful of times. Drugs, for me personally, are a non starter. Was never even a smokers. I swear I’m not lying. Haha

 

[beachmouse]

So in this “no doping” world we live in, all athletes are treated wonderfully all over the world?

Making drugs legal will ultimately help more athletes than it will harm.

I mean this anti drug hysteria is amazing. Athletes missed the Olympics Athletics event because of marijuana. Ridiculous.

About that harm....

Health consequences of PEDs continue to plague ex-East German athletes - Global Sport Matters

East German athletes forced to take steroids suffered damage to their bodies. Many are seeking compensation for the continued aftereffects.

globalsportmatters.com

The litany of health problems suffered by those who represented the German Democratic Republic (GDR) in Cold War-era competitions was laid bare during the Berlin doping trials between 1998 and 2000 in reunified Germany.


Hepatitis, heart disease, liver tumors, and liver cancer were among the consequences. Women who received injections or ingested synthetic testosterone also had physical side effects such as acne, deepened voices, excess growth of leg hair and pubic hair, and enlarged clitorises. Some female athletes gave birth to children with club feet or other defects.

 

[jeremyjay22]

 

[alexocfp]

IOC Press conference is taking place now. Will keep all posted of any updates. Currently just covering weather, refrigeration systems, etc.

The obvious important stuff. Haha

 

[Baron Vladimir]

Excuse me, I happen to have ADHD thank you, it is NOT a "fake" condition, my parents didn't cause it by failing to parent me and I would not have suddenly been able to concentrate if you tried me to chair and whacked me over the knuckles every time my attention wandered.

I take dexamphetamine, it allows me to concentrate like a "normal" person. It allows me to work to my full ability and not beyond it. Without it I'm extremely scattered and impulsive. I do not get "super-dooper" laser focus with my medication.

It has taken decades for ADHD to be taken seriously and not as some failure of the person with it or their parents. How about not taking us back to the 70s where a good spanking will sort your kid out.

Excuse me, why do you think i said it is a fake condition, which words of my are told you that? I was talking about how there is different views on it, and how it is treated differently, and how the diagnose of it is connected more with social norms than scientific facts. And excuse me, why do you think a 'normal' person can concentrate somehow very differently and it is not impulsive at all? Certainly i'm not talking about ADHD as a failure of a person when i'm saying that it shouldn't be diagnosed in a that way - as a disease, or when i find it as another way of a normal condition. My point was not to say it is a fake condition, but how it can be a 'normal' condition.

 

[moonvine]

They say skaters don’t leave their water bottles unattended

That's just sad that they have to do that.

 

[anonymoose_au]

IOC Press conference is taking place now. Will keep all posted of any updates. Currently just covering weather, refrigeration systems, etc.

It is? How do we watch?

 

[Wafflecakes]

Draconian rules should be contested.

And the Russian lawyers have taken the IOC to the cleaners repeatedly. What’s one more time?

I make no secret of my disdain for drug testers and the bureaucrats in the labs. One group chooses to collect urine samples and the others, instead of using their knowledge to find a cure for cancer or other diseases, analyze urine to take away an athletes career and livelihoods. Great people this lot.

And, nobody will believe me, but I have no reason to lie, but I’ve never done drugs in my life, except weed a handful of times. Drugs, for me personally, are a non starter. Was never even a smokers. I swear I’m not lying. Haha

Where did I say they shouldn't be contested.

However, contesting them after being caught breaking them just tells me that you are mad you got caught.... not that you have any actual legit reasoning.

 

[jen84]

The only comparison point I have for a minor with a suspected drug test is Andreea Raducan, a Romanian gymnast at the 2000 Olympics. She was 16. Long story short, she was given a cold pill with pseudoephedrine, and was stripped of her AA gold medal, but kept her team (previous competition) and other individual medal (post positive test). She competed in an additional event final after her team was notified of her positive drug test, but she did not medal there. The team doctor was suspended for I believe 2 Olympic cycles and her coaches were not, neither was she.

 

[Amei]

IOC Press conference is taking place now. Will keep all posted of any updates. Currently just covering weather, refrigeration systems, etc.

I feel those press conferences are just trolling us. next they are going to talk about the streaming platforms and viewership of the games.

 

[alexocfp]

About that harm....

Health consequences of PEDs continue to plague ex-East German athletes - Global Sport Matters

East German athletes forced to take steroids suffered damage to their bodies. Many are seeking compensation for the continued aftereffects.

globalsportmatters.com

Hold on, I’m not that naive. Of course there can be side effects if you take too much.

These articles make my case actually. Of legal, the athletes can be monitored and get safer dosages via their doctors.

 

[beachmouse]

Word of attempts at secret suspensions always gets out and tends to paint a target on the back of an athlete going forward. See Sun Yang's original doping case.

 

[cheerknithanson]

IOC Press conference is taking place now. Will keep all posted of any updates. Currently just covering weather, refrigeration systems, etc.

Yes, the beef and chicken are at good temperatures.

 

[Wafflecakes]

From Brennan:

https://twitter.com/cbrennansports/status/1491972122658451457 According to WADA code and ISU rules, Kamila Valieva should not be practicing. USADA’s Travis Tygart: “There is no minor exception for a provisional suspension. It has to be implemented. It’s a substance that requires a provisional suspension and her practicing (is) a violation.”

So either:

A) We don't actually know what we think we know about the situation.

or

B) There is massive coverup/corruption afoot.

 

[beachmouse]

Hold on, I’m not that naive. Of course there can be side effects if you take too much.

These articles make my case actually. Of legal, the athletes can be monitored and get safer dosages via their doctors.

That would be the same team doctors who were found guilty of causing harm to DDR athletes?

 

[Amei]

The only comparison point I have for a minor with a suspected drug test is Andrea Raducan, a Romanian gymnast at the 2000 Olympics. She was 16. Long story short, she was given a cold pill with pseudoephedrine, and was stripped of her AA gold medal, but kept her team (previous competition) and other individual medal (post positive test). She competed in an additional event final after her team was notified of her positive drug test, but she did not medal there. The team doctor was suspended for I believe 2 Olympic cycles and her coaches were not, neither was she.

But 2 very different drugs, cold medicine vs. heart medicine to treat serious health issues...

 

[taikwan]

TUE is just a piece of paper. Most of them are gotten through nefarious ways anyway.

And obviously I don’t think doping is bad behavior. Lance Armstrong is a legend.

Wha????????? Lance Armstrong is not what he once was. His "accomplishments" are no longer that. Doping will always be part of his bio. Who would want that?