Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

[Mista Ekko]

I think I saw a posting of it being received on the 19th of January.

Lastly, the court stated that the “untimely” notification of the test results – which was not Valieva’s fault – prevented her from establishing “certain legal requirements for her benefit.”

Thanks!
did we get any specifications as to why it took 3 weeks to just reach Sweden,
and of its whereabouts during that time period?

 

[RatedPG]

Anyone know when the sample actually got to Sweden?

I found it

“In accordance with WADA international standards for accredited anti-doping laboratories, this result should have been uploaded to the system within 20 days after receipt by the laboratory. Even if we take 20 days, this is the maximum period, it turns out that the sample was delivered to the Stockholm laboratory on January 19 , and handed over on December 25. That is, for almost a month she was walking somewhere, "Pozdnyakov said in an interview with the Sunday Time program on Channel One."

 

[gravy]

She'll skate and might land a few more quads and triple axels but at the end of the day she was given performance enhancing drugs. At least now when I'm asked about her, I can say for a fact, "yes, she did dope".

 

[Mista Ekko]

I found it

“In accordance with WADA international standards for accredited anti-doping laboratories, this result should have been uploaded to the system within 20 days after receipt by the laboratory. Even if we take 20 days, this is the maximum period, it turns out that the sample was delivered to the Stockholm laboratory on January 19 , and handed over on December 25. That is, for almost a month she was walking somewhere, "Pozdnyakov said in an interview with the Sunday Time program on Channel One."

"was walking somewhere"? who was walking it? and who was it delivered to?

 

[Warwick360]

I believe there is such a thing as personal preference....

'nobody watches ice dnce anyways'

The moment someone comes with such rebuttal/argument, you know not to take them seriously for the rest of the thread.

 

[Warwick360]

Doesn't matter, in competition, her quads will be scored clean by the judges. Even if they are slightly overrotated triples or clearly UR.

That is a huge problem for me with Anna. I know she's a nice girl but, only recently I had sort of accepted that the massive pre rotation is here to stay and the judges won't or cannot do anything about it. Now there's even URs of hers that, ...
1. Don't get called.
2. Will still get a massive GOE where she's getting 4s or 5s.

 

[Tomadeur]

Fair to Kamila, unfair to 29 other competitors.

The worst happening is that one skater misses out on having an olympic moment. We will have a fair result anyway as the incident is known and will be adressed after the olympics.

 

[RatedPG]

"was walking somewhere"? who was walking it?

No idea. This is where I read about the 01/19 date. I don’t understand the person walking around bit.

Pozdnyakov would know

 

[Fanof]

Well, I had written it would be a disgrace if she was allowed to compete and I find this outcome disgraceful.
Anyway, justice has been served, and court decisions must be respected. But they can be commented on .
There are four recitals in the decision:
- there are specific sanctions for protected persons, but not specific provisional sanctions. Well, I have always been taught there are no loopholes in law, only rules which are as they are and always give a result, even an unsatisfactory one. Here, the court explicitly rules that since there are no specific rules regarding provisional suspensions of minors, they won't apply the rules which exist and are common for adults and minors. Not convincing as far as I am concerned, but I may be biased by how the law system works in my country;
- fairness, proportionality, irreparable harm, and the relative balance of interests: in fact, that's what always happens with provisional suspensions. If it turns out you were innocent, it will be an irreparable harm. Once again, I don't find this very convincing: either there is no provisional suspension any longer, or I don't understand why such a thing is ruled for KV. Unless you see it as a "too big to fail" principle (there is no irreparable harm if you apply a provisional suspension to someone who should not get a medal... well, I don't agree with that) or if you remember that the final decision could be a reprimand only with no suspension (in which case, I could see the ruling as a call to a very slight sanction, if any). Moreover I would have expected that her latest tests being negative would have been considered irrelevant...
- She is a protected person: see above my remark about the lighter sanctions. Unless the idea is the irreparable harm would be even more cruel for a minor. I don't know...
- Issues of untimely notification of the results which impinged upon the Athlete’s ability to establish certain legal requirements for her benefit. In my opinion, it is the most convincing recital, for instance if it was impossible for her to ask for a B sample analysis and get the results in such a short period of time.
Let the show begin...

 

[viennaskater]

nobody watches ice dnce anyways, ladies is alwaus the figure skatings cream of the crop.

The ladies is my least favourite event.

 

[Mista Ekko]

No idea. This is where I read about the 01/19 date. I don’t understand the person walking around bit.

Pozdnyakov would know

So it was handed to someone on the 25, we don't know who this is or which organisation he's with,
and then only reached the lab 3 weeks later, I wonder how typical that is?

Everyone's focused on the lab taking too long, but they were fine with times.

 

[brakes]

Most likely Rusfed internal laboratory analyzed Kamila's urine the same day, discovered trimetazidine, hence didn't prioritize official sample hoping Swedes won't make it before Olympics. Unfortunately for them, Swedes did make it.

 

[viennaskater]

No idea. This is where I read about the 01/19 date. I don’t understand the person walking around bit.

Pozdnyakov would know

I think there's a mistake in translation here in the original text. I am guessing it means the sample was 'in the system somewhere' before being delivered to the lab.

 

[Mista Ekko]

Most likely Rusfed internal laboratory analyzed Kamila's urine the same day, discovered trimetazidine, hence didn't prioritize official sample, hoping Swedes won't make it before Olympics. Unfortunately for them, Swedes did make it.

Between this and trying to figure out the 3 weeks between the sample being taken and it's arrival at the lab,
I'm definitely starting to wonder about RUSADAs behaviour surrounding this, as the procedure was their
responsibility.

 

[anonymoose_au]

"was walking somewhere"? who was walking it? and who was it delivered to?

I think he was suggesting the time delay was unreasonable and is sarcastically suggesting the only reason it could have taken it so long to get to the Swedish lab was if someone was literally taking it there on foot.

 

[Briananing]

Most likely Rusfed internal laboratory analyzed Kamila's urine the same day, discovered trimetazidine, hence didn't prioritize official sample, hoping Swedes won't make it before Olympics. Unfortunately for them, Swedes did make it.

What I dont get is why RUSADA dont just switch the sample if what they want is just for her not to get positive test ? I mean it s not like they are known for their integrity

 

[RatedPG]

I think there's a mistake in translation here in the original text. I am guessing it means the sample was 'in the system somewhere' before being delivered to the lab.

Pozdnyakov commented on the delay in the publication of Valieva's doping test - Lost Sports

The head of the ROC called the delay in the publication of Valieva’s doping test “very, very strange”

lostsports.com

 

[Mista Ekko]

I think he was suggesting the time delay was unreasonable and the only reason it could have taken it so long to get to the Swedish lab was if someone was literally taking it there on foot.

Yes I got that I'm just wondering why he wouldn't specify which person or organisation had it
during that period of time, or does he not know who they gave it to...?

 

[norwegianfairytale]

I´m actually not very surprised, but disappointed. I feel for the other athletes. It will simply be very difficult to enjoy the women skate now. It would anyway but this was the worst outcome IMO.

The decision to lift the temporary suspension raise another big problem, if the reason was the timeline and she didn´t have time to prepare for the hearing, what would they do about Worlds? It´s not like it´s a big difference in time there either. If they have lifted the temporary ban I guess it means she can compete until the investigation is done and it could take months. She even might get GPs in the fall. There are so many possible medals that would be taken away afterwards. I was already sure that Liza T would get the one spot now for Worlds. So not only is this problematic for Olympics, but for WC next months. And if Liza T decides to retire after the season..

I really hope WADA does a full investigation on the TT and this doesn´t go without consequences.

 

[Tomadeur]

By the way, doping expert Hajo Seppelt, who has largely contributed to the disclosure of systematic doping in Russia, considers the CAS decision to be correct.