My point about the negative tests is there have been comments acting like since its just 1 that was positive and no more that we should just chalk that positive up to being an accident and let it go.
Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups
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My point about the negative tests is there have been comments acting like since its just 1 that was positive and no more that we should just chalk that positive up to being an accident and let it go.
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She has been brutalized like she's some kind of a violent criminal. I understand people's passions both ways. But the treatment of this minor girl for something she is not responsible for is disgraceful. Unless the investigations prove that KV knew she was getting a banned substance she skates. Literally.
Being a minor has saved her from major IOC discipline.
I was a pretty naive 15 year old, and it’s quite possible she didn’t realize what she was being given from her “Dr/Team/Guardians” I do however think she would be foolish now to not understand the “vitamins” were more than what they claimed to be.
It also leads me to wonder about the rest. Did any of the team question the vitamins as they got older? Maybe the vitamins are why TT was able to bring Sophia and Adelia to Oly training camp.
Does this explain the huge change in Lil Bet upon her return to TT, or Evgenia’s consistency issue upon leaving?
There is unfortunately a cloud that will remain around this team indefinitely.
I'm wondering about that Romanian gymnast who had her gold medal taken away due to cold medicine...
Yelim Kim translated interview, where she says she's been messing up more in training because of what's been happening, and she thinks Kamila being allowed to compete is unfair: https://youtu.be/z6REt1HW6j0
Wakaba, Rika, and Alexia Paganini liking Tweets disagreeing w/ the ruling: https://twitter.com/seimeiseb/status/1493216590032220163?t=n-xBXZ4p6Ob_XrmH7jDSbw&s=19
Bradie Tennell statement:
This is only just a few examples out of many. What a mess guys for the sport.
Wakaba, Rika, and Alexia Paganini liking Tweets disagreeing w/ the ruling: https://twitter.com/seimeiseb/status/1493216590032220163?t=n-xBXZ4p6Ob_XrmH7jDSbw&s=19
Bradie Tennell statement:
This is only just a few examples out of many. What a mess guys for the sport.
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They super young figure skaters know one thing and focus on 1 thing and that's becoming great and winning. KV is only 15 she will become more well rounded as a years go by like everybody does.
I think she will be more alert now to what someone would give her. In fact if her parents don't demand that she takes vitamins at home and not at the rink I would be disappointed in them and that if she didn't know what she was taking to call or text them immediately.
I would like to find out how she got this TMZ in her system.
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'Has been brutalised'. Oh lord. Every forum i have seen has been dealing with this matter with cotton gloves, while questioning the integrity of the coaching staff surrounding her.
People keep harping about compassion, but what needs to be repeated by those who try to brush this issue under the carpet, using that pretext, is that compassion should not come at the expense of integrity. I feel sorry for Valieva, but at the same time, I feel more sorry for all the other competitors who will be skating the same event, knowing that Valieva has been given a free pass to compete despite the positive result.
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Today I have somehow managed to become an even bigger Yuna fan!
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Thanks for these
I feel really bad for the Women, this kinda thing could totally throw you off your centre,
make you question your world when you should be just super focused on your task.
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The melodrama about the "Olympic moment"! I'm not saying it's unimportant but wow surely the real Olympic moment is getting the scores and knowing you won or got a medal. But outrage wins. 
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So true. If Kamila was not disqualified and sent home immediately then there must have been a legal ground not to resort to such measures. I am sure that this was analysed extensively during that 7 hour hearing, which essentially is a trial.
Provisions (or lack thereof) in whatever document that do not allow sending Kamilla home and CAS decision are also sources of law that should be respected. Just as much as the list of banned medicines which is oh so holy for everyone on here.
Or was she supposed to be kicked out of competition even if the current set of rules does not allow it?
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Not necessarily. I've seen many medalists, including Russians, state that one of the proudest moment is when they get to receive the medal, see the flag go up, and hear the national anthem. Why else do people take part in Olympics if not for national glory?The melodrama about the "Olympic moment"! I'm not saying it's unimportant but wow surely the real Olympic moment is getting the scores and knowing you won or got a medal. But outrage wins.
Not everything boils down to individualistic, score attainment.
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I would have preferred you said I am not 100% correct.
Are you saying KV is not immune to say a 1 or 2 year IOC suspension or something like that because she's still a minor?
Who made up their own rules? CAS? They only interpreted everything that the lawyers gave them and that the IOC gave them.
You make many good and fair points but you don't know all of what was discussed in that 6 hour 50 minute meeting. It is what it is and we have to roll with it.
Hi - sorry, I wasn’t trying to be mean or rude.
CAS is an organization. They maintain lists of arbitrators with expertise in different areas of sport. When a complaint is filed, they appoint a panel from the list of arbitrators.
What the arbitration panel did here was to review the facts and the rules written by WADA (not CAS) and basically interpret the rules in such a way as to create a new right for Kamila that does not exist in the rules as currently written.
You’re correct that I wasn’t in the hearing and didn’t hear every fact presented. But it doesn’t really matter because the arbitration panel mostly only relied on “general principles of fairness” and the idea that it would cause “irreplaceable harm” to Kamila in making its decision.
The detailed facts will be relevant when the full investigation is conducted and it is decided whether or not she should be sanctioned. And yes, she could still be found ineligible to compete for several years, depending on the result. It could also be something far less.
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Took me by surprise with the statement too, the fact that she went public. But then again, when it's a sport one has worked so much in, and is something one has cherished so closely, and now to have it disparaged in such manner, I can completely agree with how she feels.
Even as a viewer, I very much feel that a sport I love is being tarnished in front of our eyes. Almost like this sport is turning into the Winter Olympics version of track and field, which is something i don't think we've had to contend before in figure skating.
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I would assume the judges would still mark fairly but they might tame her PCS/GOE. And she's so far ahead that even if they limit her GOE or PCS because of bias, she still has enough base value that will make up for it. They won't risk coming under fire for scoring her down severely - ironically, judges who do severely mark her down will face greater scrutiny than Valieva herself has.
As far as future scrutiny goes. Yup, literally every competition moving forward in the rest of Valieva's career will have this question mark - especially if she ultimately gets stripped of the medal she's trying to win and the one she did win.
Imagine how it must feel to compete for a medal, knowing that if you win it could get potentially get stripped, which is different from the dozens of Olympics medals in the past 20 years that her countrymen/women have had stripped from them after competing/being awarded them.
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I honestly don't know if I'd have the mental strength, or desire for that matter, to get out there if I were Kamila. Even if she skates perfectly, it just won't "Feel" right. I know that feelings shouldn't matter but, there is something so wrong if she takes home the OGM after her test results.
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There is an easy answer to that: even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Also, I know this is being framed as Russia bad, west good situation, and everyone defending Kamila is being labeled a nationalistic Russian, but I am an American born and raised.
I would defend Kamila even if she was American or anything else.
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Wow now this is an out of left field comment. It's okay to like or dislike a skater's style or whatever but to assume cheating and assume Alysa is the victim. It's okay to be a huge fan but in a way this situation is about protecting young people and if Kamila took the drug to cheat then she should be out. But if she didn't know, was essentially tricked we wouldn't charge or convict an adult why would we a young person. The use of young people as puppets or fame, money and glory is dispicable because it lowers the value of a human life. I get the concern for others. I dont have an answer - maybe we should get rid of the olympics all together . Maybe the world should focus on research and for th car of cancer, covid, mental health, starvation, faminine, plague....I mean some may argue so what if you can do a quad axel what does that have to do with real life? Ironic that the more skating enthusiasts get in up and arms about this lik 2002 it brings down the ratings and popularity overall for skating. You can argue baby steps and tryig to bring justice but it seems to almost bite us back. It's a no win situation
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