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Kwan and Slutskaya each without Olympic Gold, does it seem picture is wrong?

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Kwan and Slutskaya each without Olympic Gold, does it seem picture is wrong?

I know skating competitions are and should be judged on what skaters produce on the particular day of the competition, and that explains the cause of the outcomes I am about to refer to.

However is there anybody else who finds it strange that between 2 of the greatest female skaters in the history of the sport of figure skating-Michelle Kwan and Irina Slutskaya there is not even 1 gold medal between the two of them. Michelle missed in 2 great opportunities-1998 and 2002, and Irina missed in 2 great opportunities-2002 and the most recent heartbreak we all recall in 2006. When Irina failed as the final skater in 2006 the realization hit me as a viewer that the 2 women who have defined this era, have been at the top through 3 quadrennials of skating, will end their careers with neither achieving the Olympic Gold medal which is truly sad.

On the other hand the last 4 Olympic Champions in womens skatings, fine skaters that they may be, do not seem to be anywhere near the same class of greatness. Oksana Biaul, Tara Lipinski, Sarah Hughes, and Shizuka Arakawa have produced a grand total between the 4 of them of: 3 total World titles, only 4 total World medals, and only 3 GP event wins if you consider todays GP events those events during Biaul's time. Between Lipinski, Hughes, and Arakawa they have amassed only 2 GP final titles and 6 GP final medals. Between Biaul, Lipinski, and Hughes they have managed a mere 1 European or U.S National title. Between Slutskaya and Kwan they have amassed 7 total Word titles, 15 total World medals, 5 GP final titles and 14 GP finals, 16 combined European/U.S National titles, 28 GP event wins.

Yet those 4 each have an Olympic Gold medal, while the 2 women who have defined womens skating for over a decade, two of the best in the history of our sport have not a gold medal between them.
 
But you have to take into account that Oksana, Sarah, and Tara were only around for a short time (Sarah being around the longest, four years). Shizuka was around for two quadrennia, but was only truly a contender after 2003. While it is unfair that neither Michelle nor Irina won Olympic gold, they had longer careers, and will perhaps be remembered more than the others. A silver and a bronze medal for each one is nothing to scoff at. And I don't think Michelle missed the opportunity in 1998. I'll use a baseball analogy--Michelle rounded the bases and made it to home plate after hitting the ball--but Tara hit it out of the ballpark that night.
 
Yes, it's very sad that those two don't have an Olympic gold. While I was never a big Irina fan I do realize that she was/is one of the greates skaters of the past decade....My Michelle, it's truly heartbreaking to me that Michelle won't get her OGM. It seems so unfair that two women Michelle beat many times had the skate of their lives on the rare night Michelle slipped up. I know Michelle Kwan will always be remembered as one of the all time greats with or without an OGM.
 
Winning any competition should go to the skater who was best that afternoon/night. Not winning can only determine disappointment for those skaters who are genuinely better. I think the Mets were a better team than the Cardinals but, that's my disappointment.

Joe
 
No, it doesn't seem wrong. The Olympics is just another competition, with the same participants and same scoring system. Even the best skaters don't have to win each and every time.
 
It's sad but on the other hand

5 gold medals and 10 US National titles are really less important than an Olympic title? Same with 7 European titles and 2 Worlds golds? The Olympic gold isn't all!
If I ask people in Italy who is Michelle, Irina and Sasha, they know who they are. On the other hand nobody (except FS fans) knows who Tara and Sarah are.

Both Sarah and Tara deserved their titles, but Michelle and Irina were the real STARS.

P.S. In my heart Michelle and Irina HAVE the Olympic gold!!! ;)
 
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Michelle has 9 US titles does she not, not 10 as posted. That ties
her for the record and there was some talk she might come back
to try and "get the record" with a 10th.
 
Perhaps not "wrong" but certainly ironic. An interesting question is why is it that the ladies discipline is the one where this keeps happening, as opposed to the three others.
 
It's sad but on the other hand

5 gold medals and 10 US National titles are really less important than an Olympic title? Same with 7 European titles and 2 Worlds golds? The Olympic gold isn't all! If I ask people in Italy who is Michelle, Irina and Sasha, they know who they are. On the other hand nobody (except FS fans) knows who Tara and Sarah are.

Both Sarah and Tara deserved their titles, but Michelle and Irina were the real STARS.

P.S. In my heart Michelle and Irina HAVE the Olympic gold!!! ;)

I totally agree with your post. For all that Michelle and Irina have given us as fans and to the sport of figure skating cannot be measured by Olympic gold. What both of these skaters have accomplished is amazing and not having Olympic gold will not change the facts. It also does not change the fact that both of these ladies have endured disappointment in not achieving that goal and to a fan like me it was heartbreaking to witness that disappointment felt by both Michelle and Irina. :bow: :bow: :bow:
 
why is it that the ladies discipline is the one where this keeps happening, as opposed to the three others.

I'm sure that Brian Orser, Kurt Browning and Elvis Stojko would like to know the answer to that question as well....
 
Perhaps this proves what we all know. The Olympic gold does not define greatness. The precious OGM is in fact diminished because these ladies did not require it to achieve their greatness.
 
I agree that we can't really call it wrong ... it happened.
I will say, however, that for me personally, the Olympic Gold Medal doesn't hold the same place of reverence in my heart that it used to. I just can't grasp sometimes, that Michelle will end her career without one. To me she is everything that an OGM represents. I could scream all day that it's not fair, but it wouldn't do any good. So what ends up happening (just for me) is that the whole thing is dimished somewhat. I know that's not fair to all those that did win it, but then ... who ever said life was fair.
 
Short answer to the Thread Question

No!

But maybe they can look forward to the ISU Figure Skating Hall of Fame, analgous to the Honorary Oscars given to the Should'ves in the Motion Picture Industry!
 
I'm sure that Brian Orser, Kurt Browning and Elvis Stojko would like to know the answer to that question as well....
I am not saying that favorites always win in other disciplines; otherwise, Shen & Zhao would have surely had an OGM by now. However, it is rather unusual in other disciplines for a skater who dominated the whole discipline as much as Kwan or Slutskaya did to not have an OGM.
 
I am not saying that favorites always win in other disciplines; otherwise, Shen & Zhao would have surely had an OGM by now. However, it is rather unusual in other disciplines for a skater who dominated the whole discipline as much as Kwan or Slutskaya did to not have an OGM.

IMHO Browning and Stojko were just as dominant as Kwan and Slutskaya, certainly either one has a more impressive eligible record than Urmanov and Kulik put together (4 and 3 world championships compared to 0 and 0)
 
I know it's ironic. Shen and zhao, Michelle kwan, Sasha Cohen all of whom were such a huge part of figure skating all left the scene without an olympic gold. I think that people do really butto much vaule on olympic gold... all the girls who have won it seem rather to be "flashes in the pan" and leave the scene soon after. I see as that the pressure at the olympics is so high for the favorites that they can not perform thier best and leave enough room for a "underdog" to have thier skate of thier life. It is sad that the greastest skaters of all time to leave without this honor, because young skaters growing up in 20 years or so will not perhaps realize how special these skaters were. As my signiture said, the fact that shen and zhao could not even win olympic silver is tragic.
 
I'm sure that Brian Orser, Kurt Browning and Elvis Stojko would like to know the answer to that question as well....

I am glad that Brian and Elvis both have two Olympic silver medals (in both cases I really hoped for gold for both of them, but it wasn't to be :cry:). What breaks my heart even more is that Kurt and Todd don't have any Olympic medals at all. :cry: :cry: OTOH, I am thankful for the longevity of all of their respective skating careers. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
 
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