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I love Mao Asada and Yu-Na Kim, i know there are some of you are so loyal to either one, but I appreciate both of them

They have both become overall packaged champions!~

I would like to commend both really! Amazing, this rivalry is not about fighting one another, rather it's about pushing each other to their limits!

It's like Irina and Michelle! They push each other to greater heights, and their's was probably one of the greatest rivalries in the history of figure skating



Yu-Na is amazing, her artistry, flow, musicality is her edge. Her textbook perfect jumps, level four spins and spirals, transitions etc make her also one of the best! Occasional inconsistencies may occur, but she makes it up for her high-level, perfect technique, artistry and musicality. Her choreography reaches out to everyone. Her body makes her fly across the eyes, she has a very graceful, light, danceability to her skating. Traces of Michelle Kwan is apparent, and she knows and she has learned a lot from watching her idol through the years.


Mao Asada is also stunning! I love her as well, i love both! She probably did the most technically difficult skate ever by a woman, 2 triple-triples, floating triple axel, greats spins etc, stunning footwork! She is amazing and i love her, looses out points on the flutzy, somewhat introverted when it comes to her artistry. She is a diamond and so is Yu-Na! She is a natural, her footwork is as complex as the music being played! Such a lovely charmer she is!

I mean, they are amazing!

It makes skating so thrilling and amazing with these 2 amazing stars!
 
I love Mao Asada and Yu-Na Kim, i know there are some of you are so loyal to either one, but I appreciate both of them

They have both become overall packaged champions!~

I would like to commend both really! Amazing, this rivalry is not about fighting one another, rather it's about pushing each other to their limits!

It's like Irina and Michelle! They push each other to greater heights, and their's was probably one of the greatest rivalries in the history of figure skating



Yu-Na is amazing, her artistry, flow, musicality is her edge. Her textbook perfect jumps, level four spins and spirals, transitions etc make her also one of the best! Occasional inconsistencies may occur, but she makes it up for her high-level, perfect technique, artistry and musicality. Her choreography reaches out to everyone. Her body makes her fly across the eyes, she has a very graceful, light, danceability to her skating. Traces of Michelle Kwan is apparent, and she knows and she has learned a lot from watching her idol through the years.

High points of Yu-Na:

Triple flip-triple toe (mind-boggling)

Her spins, especially the spin when she had to look up, its like lying down and spining at the same time, so difficult

Her ina bauer to double axel (WOW)

The double axel triple toe (brilliant)


Mao Asada is also stunning! I love her as well, i love both! She probably did the most technically difficult skate ever by a woman, 2 triple-triples, floating triple axel, greats spins etc, stunning footwork! She is amazing and i love her, looses out points on the flutzy, somewhat introverted when it comes to her artistry. She is a diamond and so is Yu-Na! She is a natural, her footwork is as complex as the music being played! Such a lovely charmer she is!

HIGHLIGHTS

Triple axel

Brilliant spirals

Triple flip triple toe

Her footwork

I mean, they are amazing!

It makes skating so thrilling and amazing with these 2 amazing stars!
 
christinaskater said:
I love Mao Asada and Yu-Na Kim, i know there are some of you are so loyal to either one, but I appreciate both of them

They have both become overall packaged champions!~

I would like to commend both really! Amazing, this rivalry is not about fighting one another, rather it's about pushing each other to their limits!

It's like Irina and Michelle! They push each other to greater heights, and their's was probably one of the greatest rivalries in the history of figure skating
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Excellent post, Christina. ITA with everything you said, except I think the rivalry between these two will have the same effect as the competition between Alexei Yagudin and Evgeny Plushenko, which completely revolutionized men's figure skating in the four years between 1998 and 2002. I don't think anyone has lived up to the standards set by those two since, including Plushenko himself, once Yagudin was no longer in competition. But, for those four years, they pushed the envelope everytime they were on the ice together. They were an absolute joy to watch! I think Mao and Kim are in the process of doing that for women's figure skating right now.
 
fourclover said:
You are absolutely right about Mao losing confidence because her technique is under scrutiny and she's got Yuna and Yukari (since Miki is out) besides her.
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Maybe you are right. Yuna is stronger than Mao mentally no matter how difficult their technical programs are.

Generally speaking, the Koreans are more confident than the Japanese in the international stages even though no statistics, economic, political or cultural, can justify their confidence. I think their overconfidnece is very helpful to calm down their nerves in the clutch. On the other hand, the Japanese is too modest and polite. Those national characters contribute to their mental weakness in the international sports events.

Barbara Underhill once commented that Jose Chouinard did not have the killer instinct and too good-natured to be competitive enough.

Do the Japanese want Mao to have the killer instinct and become overconfident and ill-natured like Yuna?:laugh: I am not sure about that.
 
I've been lurking on these threads for quite a while and I have to say that the Ladies SP/FS threads are BY FAR the most entertaining!!!

Mao and Yu Na shine in their own ways and I think their rivalry (which I always thought was friendly...unlike, you know, some of their fans) will continue to push the envelope for ladie's figure skating. Can't wait for worlds!!! :love:
 
tiara said:
Do the Japanese want Mao to have the killer instinct and become overconfident and ill-natured like Yuna?:laugh: I am not sure about that.
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:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Confidence and "ill-nature" has nothing to do with each other. Confidence has a lot to do with "optimism." Yeah, Rosalynn Sumners once said Katarina Witt had "killer instinct" that no other ladies singles skater had at the time she competed. ALL Olympic Gold medalists have this "killer instinct"; Greg Louganis had it, Brian Boitano had it, Katarina Witt had it... It just means you are not a cry-baby. And who are you to assume that Mao doesn't have it? How do you think she got this far? It's not talent alone; EVERYBODY HAS TALENT.

By the way, I'm not a Mao-basher as you are this "Yu-na basher" alright? I think Mao is a one of kind skater and a sweet personality; people like you and Netnuts who try to tarnish Yu-na's accomplishments with ridiculous accusations at her weight, her scores... that I won't tolerate.

KEEP BEING THE COMEDIAN OF THIS BOARD:rock:
 
Mathman said:
I think it was Josee's Japanese ancestry. :cool:
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Josee is a genuine Canadian and has nothing to do with the Japanese people. But she has similar characters like gentleness toward the others and lack of competitive spirits to elbow her way through other skaters. Yuna has abundant fighting spirits especially against the Japanese rivals. I really worry about the next Vancouver Olympics. Because it is going to be Yuna versus Mao or Japanese rivals and historically the Koreans are more likely to win over the Japanese not because they are superior athletes but because of their mental toughness. The Japanese athletes can not keep up with the Koreans mentally. The Korean athletes sometimes show their abilities more than they really have when they fight against the Japanese.
 
tiara said:
Maybe you are right. Yuna is stronger than Mao mentally no matter how difficult their technical programs are.

Generally speaking, the Koreans are more confident than the Japanese in the international stages even though no statistics, economic, political or cultural, can justify their confidence. I think their overconfidnece is very helpful to calm down their nerves in the clutch. On the other hand, the Japanese is too modest and polite. Those national characters contribute to their mental weakness in the international sports events.

Barbara Underhill once commented that Jose Chouinard did not have the killer instinct and too good-natured to be competitive enough.

Do the Japanese want Mao to have the killer instinct and become overconfident and ill-natured like Yuna?:laugh: I am not sure about that.
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Why did I have a feeling Tiara, that this was about some kind Korean/Japanese ethnic fight. You cannot make stereotypes based on race. And who says Yu-na is ill natured. She seems like a nice girl... For example, Brian Orser said that the children at the rink love her. Quite frankly, it's fine to like one skater above the other. But unless you've met Yu-na, you have no right to comment on what type of person she is.
 
I am new to this forum, as I have recently re-discovered figure skating thanks to the amazing performances of Yu-na(and now Mao).

However, this often heated yuna/mao discussions may be quite interesting, I think we do have to draw some basic line in regards to the slippery slope(forgive the icy pun) of stereotyping based on ethnic origins.

Yes, I do agree with the stated perception that Korean atheletes are strong, but let us not lazily forget that Japanese are strong just as well, as they have won many figure skating competitions internationally(olympics, worlds, etc). Koreans I believe are completely new to this sport, thanks singularly(and spectacularly) by the most gifted young Yu-na. This may explain the national ferver(just as Mao in Japan) that these superstars are generating.

Ultimately, I believe these athletes compete to better themselves(and to each self, above and beyond the score) with each performance. Both Yu-na and Mao have indicated that this is what they skate for, to get closer to that rare perfection, because when they achieve it, as Mao nearly did in LP, they know it is magic.

For Yu-na's part she came back strong after her initial faltering, indicative of both ladies courageous fighting spirits. Of course, this is not exclusive to Yu-na/Mao thing, but in general, isn't this what athletes work to attain ? For most skaters this perhaps is a reach higher than the grasp, but for these two rare skaters, I think they are well on their way.

One cannot overstate the immense talents of these young ladies(no need to zealously criticize, encourage) as I am sure their rivalry will soon write exciting new chapters in ladies figure skating for years to come.
 
tiara, based on your posts in this forum so far, yuna is anorexic, ill natured with over confidence and killer instinct(based on her korean ethnicity), a lip jumper, and it's not hard to imagin there is some sort of conspiracy going on, right? keep up the GOOD WORK. i am so impressed by your CREATIVITY!
 
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californiea said:
I am new to this forum, as I have recently re-discovered figure skating thanks to the amazing performances of Yu-na(and now Mao).

However, this often heated yuna/mao discussions may be quite interesting, I think we do have to draw some basic line in regards to the slippery slope(forgive the icy pun) of stereotyping based on ethnic origins.

Yes, I do agree with the stated perception that Korean atheletes are strong, but let us not lazily forget that Japanese are strong just as well, as they have won many figure skating competitions internationally(olympics, worlds, etc). Koreans I believe are completely new to this sport, thanks singularly(and spectacularly) by the most gifted young Yu-na. This may explain the national ferver(just as Mao in Japan) that these superstars are generating.

Ultimately, I believe these athletes compete to better themselves(and to each self, above and beyond the score) with each performance. Both Yu-na and Mao have indicated that this is what they skate for, to get closer to that rare perfection, because when they achieve it, as Mao nearly did in LP, they know it is magic.

For Yu-na's part she came back strong after her initial faltering, indicative of both ladies courageous fighting spirits. Of course, this is not exclusive to Yu-na/Mao thing, but in general, isn't this what athletes work to attain ? For most skaters this perhaps is a reach higher than the grasp, but for these two rare skaters, I think they are well on their way.

One cannot overstate the immense talents of these young ladies(no need to zealously criticize, encourage) as I am sure their rivalry will soon write exciting new chapters in ladies figure skating for years to come.
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:rock: :clap: :agree:
 
Confidence and "ill-nature" has nothing to do with each other. Confidence has a lot to do with "optimism." Yeah, Rosalynn Sumners once said Katarina Witt had "killer instinct" that no other ladies singles skater had at the time she competed. ALL Olympic Gold medalists have this "killer instinct"; Greg Louganis had it, Brian Boitano had it, Katarina Witt had it... It just means you are not a cry-baby.
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I think that the killer instinct and "ill-natured" are closely related. When a skater has a competitive spirit along with some kind of self-control, you can call that she has the killer instinct. However, when she has a competitive spirits without self-control, you can call her a ill-natured skater.

Every skater wants to win. But not every skater uses dirty gamesmanship. Katarina Witt quite often improvised her choreography when the other skater's music was on. That is her intimidation tactic. Maybe that tactic is permissible. Surya Bonaly did a back flip just before Midori was going to a 3A during the practice session in the Albertville Olympics. That one is very mean and disgusting tactic. Yuna also tried to intimidate Mao by doing a biellmann spin very close to Mao who was also doing a biellmann during the practice session in the last Tokyo Worlds.

http://journal.mycom.co.jp/news/2007/03/24/502.html

Josee Chouinard and the Japanese skaters including Mao never uses those dirty gamesmanship. They are too good-natured.:laugh:
 
tiara said:
I think that the killer instinct and "ill-natured" are closely related. When a skater has a competitive spirit along with some kind of self-control, you can call that she has the killer instinct. However, when she has a competitive spirits without self-control, you can call her a ill-natured skater.

Every skater wants to win. But not every skater uses dirty gamesmanship. Katarina Witt quite often improvised her choreography when the other skater's music was on. That is her intimidation tactic. Maybe that tactic is permissible. Surya Bonaly did a back flip just before Midori was going to a 3A during the practice session in the Albertville Olympics. That one is very mean and disgusting tactic. Yuna also tried to intimidate Mao by doing a biellmann spin very close to Mao who was also doing a biellmann during the practice session in the last Tokyo Worlds.

http://journal.mycom.co.jp/news/2007/03/24/502.html

Josee Chouinard and the Japanese skaters including Mao never uses those dirty gamesmanship. They are too good-natured.:laugh:
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Tiara, your words make me sick. I don't mind your deep hatred toward Yu-Na. But your irrational hating and bashing of her have gone way over the line. You've been attacking her based on no reason other than her appearance and nationality. And now you're calling her 'dirty' 'disgusting' and 'ill-natured'.

I hope the admins do something about this poster, because I can't take it anymore.
 
tiara said:
Maybe you are right. Yuna is stronger than Mao mentally no matter how difficult their technical programs are.

Generally speaking, the Koreans are more confident than the Japanese in the international stages even though no statistics, economic, political or cultural, can justify their confidence. I think their overconfidnece is very helpful to calm down their nerves in the clutch. On the other hand, the Japanese is too modest and polite. Those national characters contribute to their mental weakness in the international sports events.

Barbara Underhill once commented that Jose Chouinard did not have the killer instinct and too good-natured to be competitive enough.
:no::no:
Do the Japanese want Mao to have the killer instinct and become overconfident and ill-natured like Yuna?:laugh: I am not sure about that.
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What's this logic, so are you saying,

Yuna's mental strength is came from her killer instint and overconfidence and ill-natured personality, because she's a Korean?

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Interesting, I knew you are just a Yuna basher like netnuts,

but you are more, a separatist based on ethnicity,
and try to illogically apply it into a sports.

I hope other Koreans don't see this kind of posts any more,
cause for some separatists there like you,
your opinion could be considered as an American voice.

And If it makes any kind of anti-americanism like your anti-koreanism,
that's a sorrowful disaster. :no:

(I don't wanna know your nationality, but I just wish you are not a Japanese, cause if then, it's a poor comedy)



Sports is just for peace, as you learned in an elemantary school.



Anyway, for more information,

Yuna is an 'ill-natured' donator who gifted over $100,000 by doing a modelling thing, to support junior skaters.

What makes her as a real heroin is not just her medals but also her dedication into 'figure skate'.


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tiara said:
Yuna also tried to intimidate Mao by doing a biellmann spin very close to Mao who was also doing a biellmann during the practice session in the last Tokyo Worlds.

We all respect each other's opinion, whether we agree or not, but here is my observation about the above "intimidation":

Worst case: Absurd.
Best case: A dark, Harding-esque, perception on an otherwise crowded practice rink.

Besides, to other skaters, Mao or not, Yu-na's 3-3 combo is intimidating enough, even at the opposite end of the rink.
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