Thank you! After nervewrecking LP I really needed some comic relief!
My gosh. What was I thinking...
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My gosh. What was I thinking...
You are so ridiculous .....everybody here is ridiculous.....you have no argument of discussion so you try focus on the unreal conspiracy of the judges....you really have no sense of right and wrong....:disagree::disagree::disagree::disagree::disagree::disagree:
compliments to caro!
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OMG, gourry! I'm relieved to say that no skater was born that would take my breasts away. That would have been disturbing on so many levels... 
Congrats to Mao! Such a shame her spiral was downgraded, if it was usual lvl4+GoE, she would have won the LP as well. Her 3F-3T improved so much!
Such a shame about the axel - it was a beauty in the practice, she hit it every time she tried it. Then she failed to land it cleanly in the warm-up... And I guess she just tried too hard in the LP... What a comeback, though - she became so much stronger mentally.
Hopefully she'll escape injury this off-season and will have enough time to fix her (e)Lutz.
On a totally superficial note: her costume looked gorgeous, I'm glad they removed the sleeves and the glittery netting, it was too much bling.
Congrats to Mao! Such a shame her spiral was downgraded, if it was usual lvl4+GoE, she would have won the LP as well. Her 3F-3T improved so much!
Such a shame about the axel - it was a beauty in the practice, she hit it every time she tried it. Then she failed to land it cleanly in the warm-up... And I guess she just tried too hard in the LP... What a comeback, though - she became so much stronger mentally.
Hopefully she'll escape injury this off-season and will have enough time to fix her (e)Lutz. On a totally superficial note: her costume looked gorgeous, I'm glad they removed the sleeves and the glittery netting, it was too much bling.
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My gosh. What was I thinking...
Quite the Freudian slip, for sure!
The system is supposed to be able to reward that, I think it should be under the performance and interpretation parts of PCS. Unfotunately very often the system is misused.
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Personally, I cannot fathom anyone saying that Carolina Kostner does not deserve to be on that medal podium considering both phases of this competition. Her silver medal is deserved!
IF ONLY Yu-Na could have hit that Lutz in the SP. So heartbroken about that!
IF ONLY Yu-Na could have hit that Lutz in the SP. So heartbroken about that!
It should apply to everyone.
Look, I obviously didn't judge this event. I'm just telling you, as a judge, that there is nothing wrong with giving a positive GOE to a popped jump, as long as that jump is clean and meets all other requirements. There's nothing in the free skating rules that says a skater can't do a single.
Yeah, the judging seemed a bit shaky and the points and how they feel was a bit shady.
But, Miss Kostner: You ******* rocked it out. No joke. And, to you, I send all the congratulations in the world.
Next year, we won't be talking about this, I can give you that. Why? We'll be discussing the debuts of two of the strongest ladies skaters since Asada's debut, or even Kwan's. We'll see the American Armada.
But, Miss Kostner: You ******* rocked it out. No joke. And, to you, I send all the congratulations in the world.
Next year, we won't be talking about this, I can give you that. Why? We'll be discussing the debuts of two of the strongest ladies skaters since Asada's debut, or even Kwan's. We'll see the American Armada.
Oh yes. We saw this year the first lady of the "American Armada": Ashley Wagner.
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How about cutting her some slack? It was her first appearance, she was a shadow of herself. I have never seen her fighting for every jump. She will use the summer well, sort out her tech problems - and next year, when nobody expects her to be good, because they got their baby ballerinas - she will be on. I bet we see her next year in L.A.
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Yes she is!!
She has that natural, rare elegance in her and it reminds me of Kwan in a way.
She is lovely, yes lovely,l ovely, lovely!!
btw how old is she??
Yes she is!!
She has that natural, rare elegance in her and it reminds me of Kwan in a way.
She is lovely, yes lovely,l ovely, lovely!!
btw how old is she??
Eighteen, almost nineteen, so she's probably beyond getting the lutz and/or flip consistent...but she is wonderful regardless. She doesn't really have any "WOW" moves, but everything she does is so polished and refined.
I just watched most of the LP's, and have some belated thoughts.
General: 3-3's are indispensable to medal at worlds. The top two in the SP had 3-3's and pulled apart from the next tier who skated clean but didn't have it. The top three had 3-3's in the LP, and again they were close to each other and far from the next bunch. 3-3's definitely help with both the TES and the PCS.
Kimmie Meissner: she skated stronger here than at National's and also GPF, but the heart and confidence seem to have gone out of her skating. Her jumps are all really low, it's no surprise that she got UR calls. Her arms are loads improved, but the flow and youthful spirit of her skating are gone, which doubtless affect her PCS. She has real technique problems with her jumps now, I don't know if they're so easily fixable.
Joannie Rochette: She skated a great program for her, best 3-3 seq I saw all season. But she's really hurt by not having a true 3-3, and she really couldn't afford to pop that 3R either. Nice enjoyable program over all though!
Yukari Nakano: I enjoyed her program greatly, especially as the anchor (thank God!)... except for the glaring leg-wrap. She will never get high GOE on the jumps with the wrap, and they also make her rotate slower and more prone to downgrades. The 3A is both pre- and under-rotated. She takes off totally backwards, and she has so little height, that it's amazing that she can land it at all.
Yu-na Kim: It was very brave of her to put it out there tonight. She really seemed low on energy and confidence. Her trademark 3F-3T didn't have the usual pop, and she didn't really hold on to the landing edge. Too bad about the popped lutz, but I think she was really tired toward the end. She was grinding to a halt toward her last jumps, that 3S was clearly UR'ed. She was so sluggish and behind her music on the footwork sequence, I was worried that she might trip and fall, b/c she didn't seem to have the energy to do all those turns and twists and full-body motion that the choreography demanded. But I really felt like she gave her all tonight, you could really see her effort in that last spin, she was giving her everything to end on a high note, but exhaustion took over -- the last scratch spin part was basically done on two feet. (On a shallow note, like her new dress!)
Carolina Kostner: What can I say, she stood up on all her jumps, and she didn't pop anything for once, but boy, that wasn't a pretty program! There were so many sub-par landings, which really stopped the flow of the program. I think while she under-rotated a couple of the jumps, they weren't clearly over 1/4 turn like some of the other downgraded jumps. I hope CoP can fix its penalties for jumps. Slight under-rotations that don't disturb the flow of the program shouldn't be penalized 3 times more than step-out's and hands-down's that completely stop the flow. But that's not necessarily the judges' fault because the rues are what they are. To give Carolina credit though, her first 3-3-2 was amazing, and she clearly had better spins than Mao tonight (unlike yesterday in the SP), and she carried energy through her entire program, better than Mao & Yu-na. I did think her kinda sloppy on her footwork sequence, though, a lot of 2-footed skating. Amazingly, I think she's maturing mentally, the Asian ladies and rising American youngsters better watch out next season: if Carolina overcomes her nerve problems, and cleans up her landings, she's as hard to beat as Yu-na, and without the injury issues.
Mao Asada: I think the 3A fall was due to her habit of pre-rotating her axel jumps, she actually slipped off going backwards, which should never happen on an axel entry. But she did an amazing job regrouping afterwards and doing all her jumps so nicely, she really attacked all of them! The fall did seem to affect her spirals and spins though -- all a bit rushed, labored, and scratchier than usual. But really, good of her to pull it out after that nasty fall at the start, which seemed to have really disoriented her for 5 seconds. Anyway, congrats on her world title! I'm also glad that she pulled out what Michelle couldn't do: winning a major title coachless. I also thought it was kinda crappy of Arutunian to bail out on coaching her in Japan in the last minute (given what we know, it seems like Arutunian didn't want to take responsibility for her skating performance after not having trained her for a few weeks; well, he could've taken partial credit for her world title, but now she's shown what she can do on her own!). But I hope she goes home with intent to fix her jump techniques and the sloppiness that creeps into her non-jump elements at times -- next time she may not win with such a sloppy performance!
General: 3-3's are indispensable to medal at worlds. The top two in the SP had 3-3's and pulled apart from the next tier who skated clean but didn't have it. The top three had 3-3's in the LP, and again they were close to each other and far from the next bunch. 3-3's definitely help with both the TES and the PCS.
Kimmie Meissner: she skated stronger here than at National's and also GPF, but the heart and confidence seem to have gone out of her skating. Her jumps are all really low, it's no surprise that she got UR calls. Her arms are loads improved, but the flow and youthful spirit of her skating are gone, which doubtless affect her PCS. She has real technique problems with her jumps now, I don't know if they're so easily fixable.
Joannie Rochette: She skated a great program for her, best 3-3 seq I saw all season. But she's really hurt by not having a true 3-3, and she really couldn't afford to pop that 3R either. Nice enjoyable program over all though!
Yukari Nakano: I enjoyed her program greatly, especially as the anchor (thank God!)... except for the glaring leg-wrap. She will never get high GOE on the jumps with the wrap, and they also make her rotate slower and more prone to downgrades. The 3A is both pre- and under-rotated. She takes off totally backwards, and she has so little height, that it's amazing that she can land it at all.
Yu-na Kim: It was very brave of her to put it out there tonight. She really seemed low on energy and confidence. Her trademark 3F-3T didn't have the usual pop, and she didn't really hold on to the landing edge. Too bad about the popped lutz, but I think she was really tired toward the end. She was grinding to a halt toward her last jumps, that 3S was clearly UR'ed. She was so sluggish and behind her music on the footwork sequence, I was worried that she might trip and fall, b/c she didn't seem to have the energy to do all those turns and twists and full-body motion that the choreography demanded. But I really felt like she gave her all tonight, you could really see her effort in that last spin, she was giving her everything to end on a high note, but exhaustion took over -- the last scratch spin part was basically done on two feet. (On a shallow note, like her new dress!)
Carolina Kostner: What can I say, she stood up on all her jumps, and she didn't pop anything for once, but boy, that wasn't a pretty program! There were so many sub-par landings, which really stopped the flow of the program. I think while she under-rotated a couple of the jumps, they weren't clearly over 1/4 turn like some of the other downgraded jumps. I hope CoP can fix its penalties for jumps. Slight under-rotations that don't disturb the flow of the program shouldn't be penalized 3 times more than step-out's and hands-down's that completely stop the flow. But that's not necessarily the judges' fault because the rues are what they are. To give Carolina credit though, her first 3-3-2 was amazing, and she clearly had better spins than Mao tonight (unlike yesterday in the SP), and she carried energy through her entire program, better than Mao & Yu-na. I did think her kinda sloppy on her footwork sequence, though, a lot of 2-footed skating. Amazingly, I think she's maturing mentally, the Asian ladies and rising American youngsters better watch out next season: if Carolina overcomes her nerve problems, and cleans up her landings, she's as hard to beat as Yu-na, and without the injury issues.
Mao Asada: I think the 3A fall was due to her habit of pre-rotating her axel jumps, she actually slipped off going backwards, which should never happen on an axel entry. But she did an amazing job regrouping afterwards and doing all her jumps so nicely, she really attacked all of them! The fall did seem to affect her spirals and spins though -- all a bit rushed, labored, and scratchier than usual. But really, good of her to pull it out after that nasty fall at the start, which seemed to have really disoriented her for 5 seconds. Anyway, congrats on her world title! I'm also glad that she pulled out what Michelle couldn't do: winning a major title coachless. I also thought it was kinda crappy of Arutunian to bail out on coaching her in Japan in the last minute (given what we know, it seems like Arutunian didn't want to take responsibility for her skating performance after not having trained her for a few weeks; well, he could've taken partial credit for her world title, but now she's shown what she can do on her own!). But I hope she goes home with intent to fix her jump techniques and the sloppiness that creeps into her non-jump elements at times -- next time she may not win with such a sloppy performance!
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You are right. It is possible, we will see next year Kimmie Meissner and Ashley Wagner at the World Championships.
I hope the "baby ballerinas" will have a longer career than Tara Lipinski, Naomi Nari Nam, Sarah Hughes and Ann-Patrice McDonough.
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"Better her than me!"
really, this was Ashley's first trip and she was the top ranked US lady... a lot of pressure on her, I feel bad for her
ok I'm watching the ESPN broadcast and they're hyping the ladies' short tormorrow and they didn't even mention Ashely, WTHeck???
I thought Ashley was really off on her musicality/choreography tonight. There were parts where I thought maybe she was way behind/ahead of her music, or maybe she left out parts inadvertently or something, because what she did had little to do with the music. She didn't hit the highlights except for the very beginning -- very unlike her National's performance. I hope she takes some dance lessons over the summer, and gets better choreography for next year.
I worry a little that her jump problems are not mental (nerves) but physical, as in she's experiencing body change problems like Meissner. Some of her jumps were really low tonight, her landing problems were mostly because of under-rotations, not because of being off-axis or something. And she's had a problem with double-footing the combos ending in a loop all season. Just because she's got a womanly figure already doesn't mean she won't experience further growth issues. She's two years younger than Kimmie, and Kimmie has only been experiencing serious growth issues this past year. Plus her serious flutzing problems...
I think Ashley's got a tough road ahead. I hope she proves me wrong and comes back really strong next year though!
I worry a little that her jump problems are not mental (nerves) but physical, as in she's experiencing body change problems like Meissner. Some of her jumps were really low tonight, her landing problems were mostly because of under-rotations, not because of being off-axis or something. And she's had a problem with double-footing the combos ending in a loop all season. Just because she's got a womanly figure already doesn't mean she won't experience further growth issues. She's two years younger than Kimmie, and Kimmie has only been experiencing serious growth issues this past year. Plus her serious flutzing problems...
I think Ashley's got a tough road ahead. I hope she proves me wrong and comes back really strong next year though!
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I think her jump problems stem from her working to get her jumps to not get downgraded... it's her first time at worlds and she was probably thinking too much
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Hammer meet nail head. :agree:
