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I know this has probably been explained a million times, but can someone tell me how Alyssa is competing at the junior worlds after skating senior level all season? I'm so confused...
Ladies - Short Program
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We've checked with the tech controller and Mao's combination was ratified as a triple axel single loop - I'm not sure yet how the GOE's were assigned but the combination in the short has to be a double-double or triple-double or double-triple, a single jump is not allowed as part of the combination so there should be - GOE's for Mao, but I'll have to wait for the actual protocol to see what they've done.
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Poor Alissa, she can't win with the jumps, even when she lands them.
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Alissa has a lot of charm when she skates. To watch her, one immediately wants her to do well. That can't be studied and few have it. I hope she gets to Arutunian for those jumps this summer. She's very special for me.
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Mao's 3a1l has a base value of 8.0 but because the combo has to be a double-double or triple-double it was given a -3 GOE by all of the judges except 2 (one of whom gave her a 0 and the other a -2) so she ended up with a GOE of -2.86 for the combo which gave it a score of 5.14.
In contrast, Yu-Na's 3f2t has a base of 6.8 and for GOE she got 3 @ 2, 8 @ 1 and 1 @ 0 so she ended up with a GOE of 1.14 for it which gave it a score of 7.94.
The main other Element score differences were in the 3z where Mao got a total of 6.14 and Yu-Na got 7.14 and the 2a where Mao got 4.01 and Yu-Na got 4.73. Mao also only got 2.21 for the Flying Sit Spin and Yu-Na got 3.21. So it was primarily on the jumps where Yu-Na beat Mao.
In contrast, Yu-Na's 3f2t has a base of 6.8 and for GOE she got 3 @ 2, 8 @ 1 and 1 @ 0 so she ended up with a GOE of 1.14 for it which gave it a score of 7.94.
The main other Element score differences were in the 3z where Mao got a total of 6.14 and Yu-Na got 7.14 and the 2a where Mao got 4.01 and Yu-Na got 4.73. Mao also only got 2.21 for the Flying Sit Spin and Yu-Na got 3.21. So it was primarily on the jumps where Yu-Na beat Mao.
Thanks Rosaleen for the report.
Yeah, Kim beat Mao in SP. Has not watched this one yet. But having watched last year's JWC, Kim's presentation looked much more mature than Mao. Kim's musicality and interpretation comes more natural than Mao.
Yeah, Kim beat Mao in SP. Has not watched this one yet. But having watched last year's JWC, Kim's presentation looked much more mature than Mao. Kim's musicality and interpretation comes more natural than Mao.
ISU only has age restriction, nothing else. But USFSA has no age restriction, they manage skaters according to the skill ranks (juneviel, intermediate, novice, junior, senior etc.). Skaters can only move up, if you passed the upper skill rank test you have to compete in upper skill rank now lower. Thus Alyssa can not compete in US Junior (since she already moved up to USFSA's senior rank) but since she meets ISU Junior age limit, she can still compete in JWC....Michelle won JWC the year when she competed in US National as senior.
This is as usual a selected/abbreviated quote by the Japanese media so I am not sure how true it is to what she actually said, but her coach Yamada said something to the effect that Mao had wanted to attempt a quad loop so much that she hadn't paid much attention to other element details in practices, and so she wasn't so surprised Mao was in 2nd after SP. She also said that Mao needed to learn figure skating was not just about jumps and she needed to realize there were other things to work on for the next step in her carrer (but hey, that's YOUR job as her coach... :think
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Maybe Alissa should go over to Frank to help her with the jumps. I wonder if she has thought about leaving.
Thanks for the detailed explanation, Rosaleen!Rosaleen said:
Can you confirm (if you have time later) that Christine Zukowski landed a solo 3lutz in her SP as indicated in this ISU summary:
http://www.isu.org/vsite/vcontent/c...5-3787-4771-layout46-129898-news-item,00.html
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mzheng said:
Thank you Mzheng!
It's not surprising at all. Mao would have received straight -3 GOEs for her combination, while Kim's GOEs would have sure be positive, considering the quality of her jumps.Frau Muller said:This is a bit of a shocker. So Mao's 3 axel-1 loop is worth less than Yu-Na's 3f-2 toe. The presentation marks are almost the same (Yu-Na barely ahead of Mao on that). Yu-Na almost five technical points ahead of Mao. Who would've 'thunk'?
Plus, Kim's presentation is much more mature than Mao. She's a better overall skater and not just a jumper.
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I so wanted Alissa to do well. She is such a beautiful skater. She seems so vulnerable out on the ice.
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Ziggy said:
Well, the judges barely agreed w/ you on this point. Kim barely -- just barely -- beat Asada in the presentation marks. Kim is taller & less 'smiley' so she gives the impression of being more mature than the diminutive Asada. That's all. Asada is , IMO, more musical & less 'robotic' than Kim. Asada is more 'carefree' & delightful than the overly-cautious (worried?) Kim. Just my two-cents worth, from films I've seen of both girls.
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