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well that's just said if you think B/S = Julia
Julia deserved her marks , deal with it !!!
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well that's just said if you think B/S = Julia
Julia deserved her marks , deal with it !!!
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Ach, it was no bother. I got curious myself!
Right, when introducing Javier's SP, Simon Reed said that he had "won bronze at Worlds in London", but did not specify a year. But, he was obviously referring to this year's Worlds in Ontario, as opposed to the 1898, 1902, 1929, or 1950 Worlds in England...
Simon then went on to say that Javi "won Europeans in Zagreb this year".
So, to summarise, Simon got the info right on this occasion.
It looks like it was just your guys that got it wrong.
CaroLiza_fan
Ah, there goes that theory then...
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Do you think she deserved to have her lutz not called as a flutz, which it obviously was? :sarcasm:
Tell you what: I'll deal with Julia's deserved marks, if you deal with Chan's deserved marks at TEB.
You don't have to worry about her then.
They will bury her outside of Russia, like Bobrova/Soloviev at COC.
But Winter Olimpics are in Russia. ;-(You don't have to worry about her then.
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You don't have to worry about her then.
Yeah, we're going to have to wait until the GPF to see what marks Lipnitskaia would legitimately get.
I'm also mad they lowballed Kostner's clean program because it'll now be that much harder for her to make the GPF.
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Julia was great. I think she may medal at the Olympics. I don't think she can beat Yuna, but I think she can beat Mao if she is not at The top of her game. Poor Ashley, I so wanted her to medal.
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GPF is in Japan but of course anything outside of Olympics host is legitimate, lol
anyways I dont expect Julia to win as Mao will win it for sure
but Julia can still medal and will be fighting with Elena and maybe Wagner
Didn't anyone notice that Liza DIDN'T bomb her SP for a change? She does skate with spirit, so she deserved the 28+ PCS she got. She gets higher PCS than Mirai because Mirai has gotten into a habit of skating deadpan through most of her programs. It would be nice to see Mirai smile or show some emotion once in a while---perhaps that's what the judges are telling her.
I do agree that Julia was overscored in PCS. She should have won the SP, but not by that much of a margin. But then there was a lot of overscoring at this event..... :sarcasm:
I do agree that Julia was overscored in PCS. She should have won the SP, but not by that much of a margin. But then there was a lot of overscoring at this event..... :sarcasm:
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I do think Julia was 'highballed' on PCS and a few GOES, but I don't buy that Caro was lowballed. Her skate was not extraordinary and should not have been marked as such. The only thing I'd maybehave given her better GOE on was steps. I'd have possibly had her higher on SS as well, but that is more relative to Julia than generally.
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Oy...what a competition...sometimes this is what I don't like about this sport.
Carolina- did much much better than CoC. She actually sold her program to me this time. She was emotive and believed what she wanted to convey on the ice. To have her 1 point above Julia in PCS is umm.... :scratch: 4 point jump in PCS within 3 weeks is ...
good job judges.
Julia- is fine to watch. She does things well, but doesn't connect with anyone. It's a lot about look at this position, or this spin. Her jumps don't warrant the GOEs she gets- some of them have distance, but very little height. I don't believe "it's because they're young" argument. Many people had bigger jumps at her age, including all the top skaters, Liza, Adelina, even Anna.
Besides the crazy acrobatic positions she gets into, many of the jumps travel, and it doesn't seem like she has that much control over them- so +3's, not in agreement.
I hope this isn't reflective of Sochi. End of story.
Carolina- did much much better than CoC. She actually sold her program to me this time. She was emotive and believed what she wanted to convey on the ice. To have her 1 point above Julia in PCS is umm.... :scratch: 4 point jump in PCS within 3 weeks is ...
good job judges. Julia- is fine to watch. She does things well, but doesn't connect with anyone. It's a lot about look at this position, or this spin. Her jumps don't warrant the GOEs she gets- some of them have distance, but very little height. I don't believe "it's because they're young" argument. Many people had bigger jumps at her age, including all the top skaters, Liza, Adelina, even Anna.
Besides the crazy acrobatic positions she gets into, many of the jumps travel, and it doesn't seem like she has that much control over them- so +3's, not in agreement.
I hope this isn't reflective of Sochi. End of story.
Height of the jumps only one bullet. She only had to do two bullets to get +1, four bullets to +2.
1) unexpected / creative / difficult entry
2) clear recognizable steps/free skating movements immediately preceding element
3) varied position in the air / delay in rotation
4) good height and distance
5) good extension on landing / creative exit
6) good flow from entry to exit including jump combinations / sequences
7) effortless throughout
8) element matched to the musical structure
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It was Nicky Slater that made the mistake with Chan. During the interval in the TEB Gala, they showed Patrick's FS, and he made the mistake when introducing the recording. He then apologised at the end of the recording, and explained that Patrick's parents were immigrants from China.
This was actually an even bigger faux pas, as Patrick's parents are actually from Hong Kong.
There are quite a few people from Hong Kong who live in my town. While they would refer to themselves as "Chinese" (because, ethnically, they are Chinese), they would NEVER say they were "from China".
Although the British handed Hong Kong over to China 16 years ago, the inhabitants still don't like China!
Meanwhile, it was Simon Reed that made the mistake about Nagasu today. And I don't think he (or anybody else) realised the mistake.
Although, to dig yourself out of a hole, I suppose you could use the angle that Mirai is ethnically Japanese...
As for the bit about Torino, I can relate to that. When looking back, it is very easy to get the years and locations of the different championships mixed up. Especially when they are movable championships, and somewhere has held both Worlds and Olympics. So, I would let Simon off for that one.
Hey, at least he got the location right!
CaroLiza_fan
Thanks so much for your detailed response, CL_fan.
I guess I am somewhat relieved that it was two different Eurosport people who made the mistakes re Chan/China and Nagasu/Japan ... meaning that it is not a more insidious and disturbing pattern of one person making the same kind of error more than once. (BTW, appreciate your additional explanation re Chan's parents and Hong Kong vs. China.)
Agree that the confusion over Torino's hosting of both 2010 Worlds and the 2006 Olympics is forgivable.
I know that you were not really defending Reed's mistake re Nagasu/Japan.
But I will make a general point that her ethnic background does not diminish the error one bit, IMHO.
As I said in the Chan fan thread, it would be like saying that Poje represents Slovakia. (He was excited to be assigned to Nepela in part b/c it was a chance to meet some of his blood relatives in Slovakia for the first time.)
And some additional examples: It would be like saying that Weaver represents the USA, for that matter. Or saying that Meryl Davis skates for Canada (we learned at the time of London Worlds that Davis has some Canadian blood). Etc., etc.
Again, I know that you were only playing devil's advocate, CL_fan. Not attacking you.
On a happier note, I am pleased to see your posts today. Hope that means your father's recovery is moving along in the right direction.
ETA, forgot to say thanks for noting Slater's apology re Chan. Glad to read about that. (The apology was not mentioned in the Chan fan thread.)
The original post from ks777 had pointed out the Nagasu/Japan error as well.
If you were brushing off only the Torino flub, I agree that it alone was not a huge deal.
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Thank you elif for posting this. I wonder why she doesn't go for more creative exits to get another bullet. I also wonder how one would define "effortless throughout"? I guess like pornography, you know it when you see it? Julia's jumps save for the 2axel (EEEK!!) all look effortless to me, as far as pulling in for a triple goes.
Can someone give an example of an 'effortless' jump? When I think effortless, I think Ito's 3loop which went up and was landed like buttah. And it seems any jump involving a toe pick would by definition not be effortless unless you have a soft pick and good luck getting a triple then. I never thought Harding-Gilooly's jumps were particularly effortless. She made them seem effortful. I'm not a fan of this wording, it's almost like a 'women should be dainty and not in your face with athleticism', at least that's my take right now, though I am willing to change my mind. And I think it could be hard to award the effortless bullet to someone who is inconsistent. Oh, so it's effortless one day, but a nightmare the next? And what about air position? This could be fun, seeing these bullets and giving examples for each one.
How do you email them to let them know they need to do a better job?
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Julia does sometimes do 1, 2, 6, and 8. She also sometimes manages to do more than one at once.
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I assume you are referring to e-mailing the ISU re today's judging??
One way would be to send a message via one of the ISU's Facebook pages. Or you could post a comment on one of its FB pages.
When people post comments on www.facebook.com/ISUFigureSkating, sometimes an official ISU response later gets added to the page.
(The ISU also has a general FB page, not limited to Figure Skating. I have not looked at either page today. Don't know what kind and what quantity of comments have been posted re Rostelecom judging.)
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Well 8 is just good choreography. 1 and 2 can/should go together. I can't believe you could come up with an unexpected/creative/difficult entry without preceding a jump with clearly recognizable steps or free skating movements. Gone are the days of Lavrenchuk's 3loop. The only thing unexpected about that 3loop was if she got off the ice and landed it!
But it makes me wonder, how was Han Yan given +3 GOE based on this criteria? I will say that personally that was the most beautiful 3axel I've ever seen, but did he meet the bullets for +3?
But it makes me wonder, how was Han Yan given +3 GOE based on this criteria? I will say that personally that was the most beautiful 3axel I've ever seen, but did he meet the bullets for +3?
